carpetfitter Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) One lump or two. Edited August 12, 2017 by carpetfitter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Feel sorry for Samizadeh, five minutes to rescue a point. Should have subbed Boyd and given him fifteen minutes at that Heart's defence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTIDanny85 Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, carpetfitter said: One lump or two. Is it any wonder we play long ball so much when the midfield dont show for the ball enough and hide. Only outlet is down the wings and that isnt always an option, hence hoof it long. Need Dicker back asap or a new CM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLTM Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 We are the easiest team to play against. No movement up front and a static central midfield with no forward runners no doubt we will get a draw next Saturday but I fear a total humiliation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big G Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Think everybody agrees it's a ball passing centre mid we need but that is easier said than done the pitch is the BIG problem good ball players don't want to play on it week in week out it's slow and sticky unless there is heavy rain and there lies the problem also if we are now going to play it to our wide men or lump it long then we need to put the pitch back to its size it was before that joke of a football manager we had before made it smaller. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 In interviews before season and at the meetings with fans , LM stated he would be looking to play a formation with just one striker and runners from midfield ..and have a team who "liked to pass the ball and build up play" ..so would assume he signed players who could play in such a system . 1 league game in and he changed this "idea" .......but with 2 similar strikers , lacking mobility and who played in the same areas meaning defenders were never stretched 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Lee McCulloch and tactics in the same sentence now that's optimistic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H75 Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 What dilemma, Mackenzie for one is utter s**t and should be nowhere near midfield. Not a striker or ever a midfielder but makes first 11 every week without contributing a singe thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmaccoll Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Scouser2 said: In interviews before season and at the meetings with fans , LM stated he would be looking to play a formation with just one striker and runners from midfield ..and have a team who "liked to pass the ball and build up play" ..so would assume he signed players who could play in such a system . 1 league game in and he changed this "idea" .......but with 2 similar strikers , lacking mobility and who played in the same areas meaning defenders were never stretched I agree wee need a striker that can run the channels erwin is jst a box player like boyd wee cant play the football he speaks about then the only option when wee get up the park is to pump the ball in the air 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 hours ago, H75 said: What dilemma, Mackenzie for one is utter s**t and should be nowhere near midfield. Not a striker or ever a midfielder but makes first 11 every week without contributing a singe thing. Correct should be nowhere in that team 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 He's only worth playing if he's the "third" midfielder and has the chance to break forward and support the striker. He's not a centre midfielder as part of a 4-4-2, and got showed up today as such. He still got into the position to miss our best chance by running from midfield through Hearts defence admittedly no excuses for not scoring when 1 on 1! Erwin & Boyd didn't and won't work, so back to 4-5-1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merk Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 4 hours ago, killie1961 said: Correct should be nowhere in that team Shimmy around enough you will find his position.... Awful tofay. Again. Who honestly gets pass marks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 The thing that gets me is why we water the middle of the park only to kick the ball over it constantly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, samo said: The thing that gets me is why we water the middle of the park only to kick the ball over it constantly. Unless we have another sprinkler would we be allowed to water just one end? Ive never had a huge gripe with the park and plenty of teams have come and played fantastic football on it. We've even managed it once or twice. It does seem to be a lot stickier now though and the decision not to put in a sprinkler system is being shown as a bad one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 I think the true dilemma is becoming that he doesn't want to drop his pal Boyd. Erwin with Jones and Thomas on the wings and Burke in behind makes a lot of sense and would fit with what he said pre season. Can't see him doing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalkillie Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 6 hours ago, casual observer said: Erwin & Boyd didn't and won't work, so back to 4-5-1. Aye because that worked well. Boyd and Erwin will do just fine if we start putting decent balls into the box and having midfielders making late runs. Ridiculous the amount of times we overhit crosses, no striker in the world can do anything about that. Been a problem for far too long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 "Cough, cough", weak, ineffectual midfield anybody? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Look back on posts from last couple seasons, there has been problems with our midfield for ages ....even when Gary er Steve Smith was fit and played there was not helped when Dicker was moved into defence , position he played far better than most others this season With Kiltie out too was hoping in his many signings LM would brought in that better quality midfielder or 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Scouser2 said: Look back on posts from last couple seasons, there has been problems with our midfield for ages ....even when Gary er Steve Smith was fit and played there was not helped when Dicker was moved into defence , position he played far better than most others this season With Kiltie out too was hoping in his many signings LM would brought in that better quality midfielder or 2 We were fortunate enough to have a great midfield in Kelly, Bryson, Pasca, Eremenko and Taouil. Those players left as happens and we plugged gaps well. Fowler did a job at CM when Pasca moved back to CB. Shiels brought something different after Eremenko left. Clingan wasn't as mobile as Kelly or Bryson but his passing brought a different dynamic to the team. Slater came through and added a bit of quality but many always felt we still needed more. Since Clingan left and then Slater last summer we have really only had one competent natural CM in the squad in Dicker and he's spent the majority of that time in the back four. This area of the team has been weak for a while and it's not being addressed. Every week we see teams run straight through the middle of us and be on top of a fragile defence before we know it. It really is worrying that another manager has come in and left this area to chance. When the rumour broke we had tried to get Kelly back and we were linked early in the summer with Woods, Ross and Welsh I thought McCulloch was going to address it. Power may be a step in the right direction but we always needed more quality on top of that gamble and probably shouldn't have made that gamble first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Kilmarnock need sign one quality creative midfielder and striker with Firepower 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 4 hours ago, capitalkillie said: Aye because that worked well. Boyd and Erwin will do just fine if we start putting decent balls into the box and having midfielders making late runs. Ridiculous the amount of times we overhit crosses, no striker in the world can do anything about that. Been a problem for far too long. "If we start putting decent balls into the box"........"ridiculous the amount of times we overhit crosses"............ kind of makes my point for me - we don't have enough quality to provide consistent service for two strikers so should play a system that gets midfield players supporting 1 striker closely, otherwise we are basically a man down every game. Between them they had maybe two opportunities from crosses yesterday, both from Thomas crosses and neither were 'great' chances. Jones may be lightening quick but doesn't have an end product, Burke hasn't the legs to play wide in a four trying to help out his full back and get at their full back, Thomas is the best delivery in the team, but isn't exactly Beckham. Frizzell is playing too deep to influence forward play, Rory is filling in and just isn't good enough for centre mid. By having two very similar strikers up top, it gives other sides plenty of time and space in midfield which we can't cope with. That was a crap Hearts team yesterday and yet they strolled the midfield while Berra and Souttar weren't under any pressure either. Change the system to use what we have, not what Lee "wants to play"! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 By the sounds of things, when Erwin came on as a sub, he played well with Boyd and sat just off him and provided the movement. For some reason against Hearts, he went toe to toe with their defender. Was this McCullouch's way of dealing with the physicality of the Hearts backline? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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