skygod Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) IF you’re a Kilmarnock fan whose Bovril cup is half full, it’s been a dodgy start to the season but there’s a long way to go. If it’s half empty? Well, you’re already sighing with resignation at being three games into the latest re-run of a decade-long Groundhog Day. And on the evidence of a wet, windy and wearily familiar Saturday at Rugby Park, the drinks are already half-empty when they get handed over the pie stall counters. Look at the picture of the stand opposite the tunnel. Check the swathes of empty blue seats. That’s not ten minutes before kick-off, it’s in what should have been the heat of battle — except that, sadly, the temperature at Killie home games these days rarely gets above lukewarm, even when the champions are in town. It’s not so long since no one from the Old Firm down fancied this trip, because they knew the atmosphere would be raucous and the tackling fierce. The ceilings in the corridors were low, the tunnel too narrow for two teams to stand side-by-side. Everything about it was uncomfortable. Now? Manager Lee McCulloch admits it himself — teams love it. They find it too easy. A point proved by no points and only one goal from their opening three league games, sending any shreds of summer optimism scudding for cover from a big, black, looming cloud. They’ve lost an Ayrshire derby in the League Cup group stages. They were thumped 5-0 by Celtic’s second string in the last 16. Their under-20s went down — again, at home — to Berwick Rangers in the Irn-Bru Cup last midweek. On Saturday, they came away from an ever-so-flat 2-0 loss to Celtic with praise from Brendan Rodgers raining down on McCulloch for his talents and the organisation and efforts of his players, which was a very decent gesture. But the reality is that Killie brought nothing to the occasion, on or off the pitch. No efforts on target, no spell of pressure that put THAT unbeaten record at the slightest risk — and absolutely no rousing backing from the fans. At either end of the stadium, stands packed with visiting punters rocked and bounced and boomed; not always, as I’ve written elsewhere, with the kind of backing any club should be proud to associate with, but still a noise to intimidate the life out of any opposition. The kind of noise the home crowd should be producing and which Killie’s used to. Sadly, those visitors made up around 75 per cent of a gate just over 10,000 and produced 99.5 per cent of the atmosphere. It IS sad, too, because this was no one-off. This is becoming the norm at Rugby Park, where a day out used to be full of colour and character, but which is now grey and lifeless. And it doesn’t feel like anyone has a handle on how to breathe life back into the club. McCulloch points to a seven-year spell when home results have been the worst in the club’s history and shakes his head in bemusement at why so many bosses and such a huge turnover of players have found it so hard to change that. He’s desperate for the thousands who never used to miss a game but now can’t be bothered to get behind his side once more. Yet he’s smart enough to know there’s a reason why those thousands — the lowest average gate between 1993 and 2003 was 7,408, while since 2008 the highest average has been 6,427 — have lost heart. It’s four home wins last season, four the year before. It’s surviving by the skin of their teeth in a play-off two years ago, staying up on the final day in 2010, being saved from the drop in 2008 by Gretna’s implosion. It’s a gradual, year-on-year slide to mainstays of the drop zone dogfight, with only the odd upward blip like 2012’s League Cup Final triumph. It’s barely scoring more than a goal a game in the league for the past ten years. It’s . . . well, it’s just dispiriting. It wears you down. I hate to see a club like this, a proper football club with deep roots and a proud history, treading water. It doesn’t seem right, this decline, this stagnation, this sense of nothingness. Sure, they’ve been way lower in terms of results — 30 years ago, they were in the bottom division and fighting for their very existence. But that was part of football’s natural cycle, it’s happened to plenty others who have hit hard times and bounced back. This current malaise, though, feels different. It feels ingrained. I really hope that feeling isn’t justified and that Killie’s feelgood factor has only been misplaced, not lost. Though not nearly much as they must do themselves. (Bill Leckie, Sun) This seems worthy of a thread of its own, I think. What can we do as supporters to reinvigorate the club? What more should the club be doing? MJ's leaving was supposed to be the turning point when everyone started working together but it seems that the revolution has got off to a stuttering start. The new Communications and Marketing person has their work cut out. Let's try and be positive and keep our red cards in our pockets! Edited August 21, 2017 by skygod 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 21, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 the facts are the facts and you cant really argue with anything he says, i dont think hes having a go either, hes highlighting what we all know and discuss on a daily basis. i said elsewhere on here, sitting on saturday with the wall of noise coming from the Chadwick & Moffat while looking across at a close to empty East Stand you cant help but feel the club is a shadow of what we once were and it pains even more when the OF rock into town, Back in the 80's and 90's when i started going to the games, we played the OF then, the sectarian element was a hundred times worse then than it is now, they still rocked into town in their droves behaving the way they always have but we still had fans turn out. The OF attendance only brings the underlying issues to the forefront though. We havent produced on the park for as long, we can blame it on previous arseholes who used the club for their own benefit, and now we are left with the bare bones of a long suffering support that can only seem to muster a fight amongst each other. i actually took a break for coming on here for a couple of weeks because you get sick of the bickering and arguing that goes on, theres no unity, theres plenty of handbags and snidey remarks and the rest of it. Im not innocent either, i get involved in bickering on here at times and it was getting to the point of being stupid. So i went to the games and had a glance over the pages every couple of days and it was the same old bickering, quoting each other and try to one up the post. While we all concern ourselves with that nonsense and debating whether someone did tell someone inside news and its no made up blah blah blah, nothing gets better. I believe we have a support that cares deeply about the club its evident on here all the time with the passion shown but i think alot of the time the passion is misdirected. The frustration of the situation has become insular amongst each other. The club and the fans need to realise that they both need each other and without either we're all fooked. The club have made massive strides off the park since MJ's departure to engage with the fans. At the recent roadshows where JK & LM attended on a Monday evening, when they could have beeen at home with their families, a handful of fans turned out to engage with them. I get that so many fans are pissed off after years of poor management of the club and the demise on the park. However we are now at the point where the past has to stay firmly in the past. Everything needs to be looked at with a new approach. Fans need to stop making their excuses and get back to supporting the club they once did on a weekly basis. The club need to work hard to engage with these fans again. We all need to work together to get things back to where they were. We can't control what happens on the park but we can make sure we do everything we can off it so if there ever comes a time when we fall from grace and the hard times catch up with us we can stand up and say we all did our bit. In TIK there is a fantastic opportunity for fans to be part of a positive change in the future. Not only TIK though simply getting back to the football and being there for the one and only reason of showing your support to the club, acknowledge the past is the past and we all want to be part of a promising future. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) This statement in the article seems a bit contradictory: Sure, they’ve been way lower in terms of results — 30 years ago, they were in the bottom division and fighting for their very existence. But that was part of football’s natural cycle, it’s happened to plenty others who have hit hard times and bounced back.This current malaise, though, feels different. It feels ingrained. When we went down to the bottom league it was following a period of gradual decline. Perhaps we need to hit the depths in order to be reborn again. Both Hearts and Hibs are in a better place now after having been relegated. This year there certainly hasn't been a post-MJ bounce in terms of attendances even though the club are trying much harder in terms of communication and involvement with spectators and are getting a lot of things right. Ultimately, what happens on the pitch is the single biggest factor. Win games and crowds increase, win an average of 4 home games per season and average one goal a game for about 10 years and crowds will understandably decline. I agree the new Comms & Marketing person has their work cut out but they could be the best in the business and it wouldn't matter if the team don't start to deliver better performances and better results. Edited August 21, 2017 by historyman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Great points, Sp3cky. What is maybe most worrying to me is that, unless young supporters are encouraged and welcomed, the future of the club is bleak. We need to be engaging with them to find out what would bring them in and keep them. How successful were the pre-match sessions organised in the hotel, for example? We need to give them the product that they want, not what some middle-aged people think they want. Would the club be prepared to trial at least free transport from outlying areas? There are factors outwith our control such as live football on TV but there are things we can do. I've witnessed at first hand clubs undergoing a transformation and it all begins with having a common cause. Give the supporters a little bit of encouragement and they will (or should) respond. Edited August 21, 2017 by skygod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 While a club like us can't rely on results to attract fans, the home form has made it very hard for all but the diehards to go. Also, we need to look at the ground set up. Ideas like areas where the vocal supporters can gather together must be pursued an safe standing whenever possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_dug Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Not the only issue but a stadium re-jig would help get the noisy fans together. Also a look at the pre match music etc would help as its currently a joke. Small changes but they may just help a little. If you watch motherwell and saints home matches, more often than not the players run straight for the "ultra section" when they score because they appreciate the support they give. Can anyone recall if crowds went up during the mixu purple patch? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Can folk stop this nonsensical idea that relegation would be a good thing. It would be utter s**te. As for RP, I'd gladly knock it down and move elsewhere. Far, far too big for us and in reality it always has been. In the past it was ok with 6-7k home fans in it but with 1,500 like Saturday is nothing but depressing. We should have moved to the Halo site when it was being discussed. But whilst we're stuck with it we can do simple things. Like getting rid of they crap tannoy announcer and even crapper music. It's depressing enough without having to listen to that!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 One thing the club badly lacks is someone with charisma. It's all very well having talk-ins and roadshows with McCulloch, Kiltie, Bowie etc but they don't generate much passion, excitement or motivation, sat behind a table. Get up, roam with your mic, ask people to their faces for their views. And get rid of the tired old Nutz mascot. The mascot at the athletics championships was a show in his own right and everyone loved it. Do they still have the cheerleaders? Jeezo.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKtid Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I used to sit in the FB stand and looking across at East there was always the section nearest the chadwick that had the younger fans giving it laldy for 90 minutes. Singing, chanting and having a good time. We only ever give any encouragement after goals or a few corners in a row. Even at the Ayr game the singing almost stopped completely after kickoff. Falkirk game was fantastic and best game i've been at at Rugby park since mixus season. 90 minutes of quality atmosphere. The hearts crowd made a right racket the other day and that was just their small section of 50 or so in top right corner. Should maybe try and get that section back again, anyone who's up for it, go to far end of East stand and pack into it, create an atmosphere. I always try to shout and sing at home games but when you're doing it yourself it gets embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 i wish they would stop telling me every week that i am sitting on top of wooden decking in the FB stand, i know this i have no plans to build a bonfire or get the chiminea out at HT, i have not once seen anyone try and smoke a cig while sat in their seat, not once the sound system, the music and the announcer are horrendous, the weekend was no different when the subs were being made, at least practice how to say names before taking a mike in your hand and announcing it, you can actually hear the pause while he tries to figure out how to pronounce players names. i second callind it time on the cheerleaders, didnt mind when i was 14 but now as im nearly 40 i feel a bit uncomfortable if i glance towards the pitch, how about getting an announcer that can add a bit of life to HT, get say 4 or 5 kids on the park and have a wee challenge where the winner gets a signed shirt and ball every week, picked at random from the crowd ? have an announcer that brings you scores from around the grounds aswell, telling you how that currently affects us etc just be more engaging instead of the same old format that has not changed since i was shouting Dylan Kerr over to sign my programme and giving abuse to Giles Rousset 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, PrestersKtid said: I used to sit in the FB stand and looking across at East there was always the section nearest the chadwick that had the younger fans giving it laldy for 90 minutes. Singing, chanting and having a good time. We only ever give any encouragement after goals or a few corners in a row. Even at the Ayr game the singing almost stopped completely after kickoff. Falkirk game was fantastic and best game i've been at at Rugby park since mixus season. 90 minutes of quality atmosphere. The hearts crowd made a right racket the other day and that was just their small section of 50 or so in top right corner. Should maybe try and get that section back again, anyone who's up for it, go to far end of East stand and pack into it, create an atmosphere. I always try to shout and sing at home games but when you're doing it yourself it gets embarrassing. see at the St Johnstone game i was shouting a simple "Moan The Killie" and the old woman in front of me turned round tutting and looked at me as if id poured my bovril into her handbag it would burst ye 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojike and Bod Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Can't argue with anything in the article. I'd love to knock down Rugby Park and start again. It's far too big, lifeless, soulless, a terrible match-day experience, its an easy place for opponents to come and collect 3 points, the pitch is utterly laughable. What was once a proud stadium is now a complete and utter laughing stock. These factors in allied to the pathetic home form and performances and cost make it virtually impossible to attract lapsed fans back. We are never going to turn things around and we would be much better off selling it and moving to a new smaller purpose built stadium. The club needs a new wind of change and staying at Rugby Park is never going to make it happen. Of course we all know that Bowie will never sanction this as it will take away huge footfall from his hotel and he's just spent cash building an Exec box for his pals. So we are stuck with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, skygod said: One thing the club badly lacks is someone with charisma. I agree. BB may be a fantastic businessman ploughing a lot of money into the club but he doesn't like meeja attention. Lee McCulloch does a great impression of a man in a grey suit when Interviewed. Boydie is too consumed with taking up The Rangers. We need somebody with charisma and passion to "sell" the club. Tommy Burns, KennyShiels, The Doomed, somebody like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 The only way to get fans back and to get fans reacting is to start winning. Nobody was putting anything into the club for years and now we're at the early stages of a top to bottom rebuild that's going to take a while. Making a few half decent signings was never going to have people coming back, results will. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I feel a bit battered by the club post-KS era. I'm sure we'll get there but we're still not an attractive prospect for the stay away fan. We're in recovery, but we need to start picking up wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 hour ago, historyman said: This statement in the article seems a bit contradictory: Sure, they’ve been way lower in terms of results — 30 years ago, they were in the bottom division and fighting for their very existence. But that was part of football’s natural cycle, it’s happened to plenty others who have hit hard times and bounced back.This current malaise, though, feels different. It feels ingrained. When we went down to the bottom league it was following a period of gradual decline. Perhaps we need to hit the depths in order to be reborn again. Both Hearts and Hibs are in a better place now after having been relegated. This year there certainly hasn't been a post-MJ bounce in terms of attendances even though the club are trying much harder in terms of communication and involvement with spectators and are getting a lot of things right. Ultimately, what happens on the pitch is the single biggest factor. Win games and crowds increase, win an average of 4 home games per season and average one goal a game for about 10 years and crowds will understandably decline. I agree the new Comms & Marketing person has their work cut out but they could be the best in the business and it wouldn't matter if the team don't start to deliver better performances and better results. I was thinking the same thing. Sometimes relegation is needed to reinvigorate a club. It could be argued that Motherwell have had a similar period of stagnation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhamkillieken Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 47 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Can folk stop this nonsensical idea that relegation would be a good thing. It would be utter s**te. As for RP, I'd gladly knock it down and move elsewhere. Far, far too big for us and in reality it always has been. In the past it was ok with 6-7k home fans in it but with 1,500 like Saturday is nothing but depressing. We should have moved to the Halo site when it was being discussed. But whilst we're stuck with it we can do simple things. Like getting rid of they crap tannoy announcer and even crapper music. It's depressing enough without having to listen to that!!! moving to the Halo development would be terrible for Killie, we need to own our ground so that we have assets. we have had enough of our assets sold off already. the stadium isnt great, but it is not the problem. the lack of fans is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, skygod said: And get rid of the tired old Nutz mascot. The mascot at the athletics championships was a show in his own right and everyone loved it. The mascots at the athletics were 'professional' mascots(yip hard to believe) that were brought in at great cost from America, apparently there were a team of them not just 1. Its big business over there. We are too precious over here to allow anything decent, any mascot that does things out of the box is quickly sacked or arrested, its pathetic. Remember Nuts' Ayr Freshener, or Sammy the Tammy's tank and soap, funny stuff that nearly got them arrested, its a freakin joke. And in the grand scheme of things probably not our biggest issue. Edited August 21, 2017 by Andy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Andy said: And in the grand scheme of things probably not our biggest issue. Exactly, more important stuff to worry about. Like, what's happened to Nutz' big fitba boots? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Andy said: The mascots at the athletics were 'professional' mascots(yip hard to believe) that were brought in at great cost from America, apparently there were a team of them not just 1. I suspected as much but there was only one of them "on duty" at a time. Don't underestimate how much kids react to a good mascot with a personality doing a turn pre-match and at half-time. It works at Disneyworld! Someone in a manky old costume doesn't cut it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTIDanny85 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 There are multiple factors for the decline in fan numbers at home games. One of which in my opinion is the lack of constancy over the past several seasons. Too many changes in management which meant a new group of players each year and in turn that reflected on the pitch. Added to the instability over the years, relegation fight/survival for numerous years and the whole MJ saga, its understandable we lost so many fans. The best way to get fans back is a combination of winning games, cheaper entry to games and someone to drive sales, get out the local community and make KFC the first thing on peoples minds. The activity on social media is great and I applaud it but more needs to be done out and about in the local towns. One aspect is clear though, we cant rely and be putting sole responsibility of this issue on the team and club. Its going to take a collective effort to get the club back to where it once was. Its going to be a long road and I whole heartily agree with Sp3cky, the past is the past, we all need to move forward as one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFAANW Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 2 hours ago, skygod said: IF you’re a Kilmarnock fan whose Bovril cup is half full, it’s been a dodgy start to the season but there’s a long way to go. If it’s half empty? Well, you’re already sighing with resignation at being three games into the latest re-run of a decade-long Groundhog Day. And on the evidence of a wet, windy and wearily familiar Saturday at Rugby Park, the drinks are already half-empty when they get handed over the pie stall counters. Look at the picture of the stand opposite the tunnel. Check the swathes of empty blue seats. That’s not ten minutes before kick-off, it’s in what should have been the heat of battle — except that, sadly, the temperature at Killie home games these days rarely gets above lukewarm, even when the champions are in town. It’s not so long since no one from the Old Firm down fancied this trip, because they knew the atmosphere would be raucous and the tackling fierce. The ceilings in the corridors were low, the tunnel too narrow for two teams to stand side-by-side. Everything about it was uncomfortable. Now? Manager Lee McCulloch admits it himself — teams love it. They find it too easy. A point proved by no points and only one goal from their opening three league games, sending any shreds of summer optimism scudding for cover from a big, black, looming cloud. They’ve lost an Ayrshire derby in the League Cup group stages. They were thumped 5-0 by Celtic’s second string in the last 16. Their under-20s went down — again, at home — to Berwick Rangers in the Irn-Bru Cup last midweek. On Saturday, they came away from an ever-so-flat 2-0 loss to Celtic with praise from Brendan Rodgers raining down on McCulloch for his talents and the organisation and efforts of his players, which was a very decent gesture. But the reality is that Killie brought nothing to the occasion, on or off the pitch. No efforts on target, no spell of pressure that put THAT unbeaten record at the slightest risk — and absolutely no rousing backing from the fans. At either end of the stadium, stands packed with visiting punters rocked and bounced and boomed; not always, as I’ve written elsewhere, with the kind of backing any club should be proud to associate with, but still a noise to intimidate the life out of any opposition. The kind of noise the home crowd should be producing and which Killie’s used to. Sadly, those visitors made up around 75 per cent of a gate just over 10,000 and produced 99.5 per cent of the atmosphere. It IS sad, too, because this was no one-off. This is becoming the norm at Rugby Park, where a day out used to be full of colour and character, but which is now grey and lifeless. And it doesn’t feel like anyone has a handle on how to breathe life back into the club. McCulloch points to a seven-year spell when home results have been the worst in the club’s history and shakes his head in bemusement at why so many bosses and such a huge turnover of players have found it so hard to change that. He’s desperate for the thousands who never used to miss a game but now can’t be bothered to get behind his side once more. Yet he’s smart enough to know there’s a reason why those thousands — the lowest average gate between 1993 and 2003 was 7,408, while since 2008 the highest average has been 6,427 — have lost heart. It’s four home wins last season, four the year before. It’s surviving by the skin of their teeth in a play-off two years ago, staying up on the final day in 2010, being saved from the drop in 2008 by Gretna’s implosion. It’s a gradual, year-on-year slide to mainstays of the drop zone dogfight, with only the odd upward blip like 2012’s League Cup Final triumph. It’s barely scoring more than a goal a game in the league for the past ten years. It’s . . . well, it’s just dispiriting. It wears you down. I hate to see a club like this, a proper football club with deep roots and a proud history, treading water. It doesn’t seem right, this decline, this stagnation, this sense of nothingness. Sure, they’ve been way lower in terms of results — 30 years ago, they were in the bottom division and fighting for their very existence. But that was part of football’s natural cycle, it’s happened to plenty others who have hit hard times and bounced back. This current malaise, though, feels different. It feels ingrained. I really hope that feeling isn’t justified and that Killie’s feelgood factor has only been misplaced, not lost. Though not nearly much as they must do themselves. (Bill Leckie, Sun) This seems worthy of a thread of its own, I think. What can we do as supporters to reinvigorate the club? What more should the club be doing? MJ's leaving was supposed to be the turning point when everyone started working together but it seems that the revolution has got off to a stuttering start. The new Communications and Marketing person has their work cut out. Let's try and be positive and keep our red cards in our pockets! Not quite sure any club would be proud of fans singing about the IRA or the Queen, but I get his point, RP is a shambles on match days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby14 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Good article. IMO the only way to see a rise in attendances would be to lower the price of a ticket. It's been too expensive for too long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Bhamkillieken said: moving to the Halo development would be terrible for Killie, we need to own our ground so that we have assets. we have had enough of our assets sold off already. the stadium isnt great, but it is not the problem. the lack of fans is. I disagree. A 18k white elephant that we can't even afford to keep in semi decent condition isn't an asset IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Good article and some nice points on the thread. Disagree with getting rid of the cheerleaders @Sp3ckyh0td0g81. They provide entertainment, enjoy what they do and their presence shows community involvement. As fans, it would help if we could be as positive as possible when discussing Killie to others. A positive description could bring people back to RP, or to RP for the first time. Yes we have a number of legitimate gripes, but those should be aired and acted on in as positive a manner as possible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, mathematics said: Good article and some nice points on the thread. Disagree with getting rid of the cheerleaders @Sp3ckyh0td0g81. They provide entertainment, enjoy what they do and their presence shows community involvement. As fans, it would help if we could be as positive as possible when discussing Killie to others. A positive description could bring people back to RP, or to RP for the first time. Yes we have a number of legitimate gripes, but those should be aired and acted on in as positive a manner as possible. Can't believe you disagreed with me I thought we were friends 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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