skygod Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, Hugh Cuthill said: Time to step down from the 1st XI and do something else while he still has a reputation worth preserving. He features in this season's U20 team group photograph as a coach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 See this myth about all him needing a half chance to grab a goal? It's exactly that. That might have been relevant 5 years ago but he's far to slow to react now and has lost the quick instinct he had in front of goal. He's finished as a striker who can start games in the SPFL. Thanks for the goals Kris but unless you are going to try and get remotely fit then it's bench at best for you. There is absolutely no way he should be starting games for us. Erwin showed exactly what a striker should be doing when he came on. I get why folk want to stick up for him but we're in no position to play players out of sympathy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: See this myth about all him needing a half chance to grab a goal? It's exactly that. That might have been relevant 5 years ago but he's far to slow to react now and has lost the quick instinct he had in front of goal. He's finished as a striker who can start games in the SPFL. Thanks for the goals Kris but unless you are going to try and get remotely fit then it's bench at best for you. There is absolutely no way he should be starting games for us. Erwin showed exactly what a striker should be doing when he came on. I get why folk want to stick up for him but we're in no position to play players out of sympathy. Spot on humper, two great chances on Saturday, Boyd of 3 yrs ago would have stuck away no problem, also the ball the keeper came out to get & Boyd gave up on it, I can only assume thinking he was offside was embarrassing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 He's clearly struggling. We've spent decent money to bring in Erwin and Brophy. It's overdue that Erwin gets his opportunity in Boyd's position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki11ie Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Lee Erwin HAS to start now. In 60minutes he showed more than Boyd has all season, his hold up play and movement was 10x better than boyd. He's tall and strong, also showed a turn off pace to score his goal and composure. He will offer us a constant goal treat if we can provide him chances. If Mcculoch continually plays Boyd it will cost him his job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan1el Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Boyd is done, he has been a great servant and a Killie legend so would never slag the guy off but if we are going to play Boyd, Smith no midfield etc. we will only be heading one way. Erwin looks good but far too many times when he holds up the ball or flicks it on he has nobody near him, the way we are setup in theory is that the midfield should be supporting the lone striker however the midfield is so weak they cant do the midfield job so no chance of supporting the attack. If Boyd starts upfront on his own against Motherwell we will be beaten 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKtid Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 He should've buried both Thomas' through ball and Frizzells flash across the box. A hungry (no pun intended) striker would be all over them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Magnet Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 He's 32/33 now. He's overweight therefore not as fit as he should be for that level but he has a big part to play in the squad and as an influence for young players. He was very unlucky not to score at least one goal on Saturday. The thing is, look around the squad and tell me where the goals will come from in the quantity we need. Erwin is the closest thing we have to an out and out striker but he's single figures a season scorer. In fact he has scored 22 goals in his entire senior career and 8 of them were for Arbroath. For all Boyds faults with age and fitness catching him out now I still say if he plays often enough he will be Killies top scorer this season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty66 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, Fridge Magnet said: He's 32/33 now. He's overweight therefore not as fit as he should be for that level but he has a big part to play in the squad and as an influence for young players. He was very unlucky not to score at least one goal on Saturday. The thing is, look around the squad and tell me where the goals will come from in the quantity we need. Erwin is the closest thing we have to an out and out striker but he's single figures a season scorer. In fact he has scored 22 goals in his entire senior career and 8 of them were for Arbroath. For all Boyds faults with age and fitness catching him out now I still say if he plays often enough he will be Killies top scorer this season With the help of a few penalties maybe. From open play I seriously doubt it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, Fridge Magnet said: He's 32/33 now. He's overweight therefore not as fit as he should be for that level but he has a big part to play in the squad and as an influence for young players. He was very unlucky not to score at least one goal on Saturday. The thing is, look around the squad and tell me where the goals will come from in the quantity we need. Erwin is the closest thing we have to an out and out striker but he's single figures a season scorer. In fact he has scored 22 goals in his entire senior career and 8 of them were for Arbroath. For all Boyds faults with age and fitness catching him out now I still say if he plays often enough he will be Killies top scorer this season Fancy a wager on that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, Fridge Magnet said: He's 32/33 now. He's overweight therefore not as fit as he should be for that level but he has a big part to play in the squad and as an influence for young players. He was very unlucky not to score at least one goal on Saturday. The thing is, look around the squad and tell me where the goals will come from in the quantity we need. Erwin is the closest thing we have to an out and out striker but he's single figures a season scorer. In fact he has scored 22 goals in his entire senior career and 8 of them were for Arbroath. For all Boyds faults with age and fitness catching him out now I still say if he plays often enough he will be Killies top scorer this season if the baw is smeared with chocolate maybe all joking aside though i dont see how you can possibly believe in his current condition he could be our top scorer you are writing Erwin off after he came off the bench on Saturday and showed excellent composure to put us 2-0 up and to say Boydies not as fit as he should be ?? thats the biggest understatement ive read since Laurence Oates said "I may be some time" he is 32/33 not 43 or 53, im 36, have a sedatory desk job and weigh less than him. id be happy betting my metabolism is worse than his, i only need to smell a steak bake from Greggs and i'm making a new notch in the belt. Hes a professional football player in the highest level of Scottish football, to use age or metabolism as an excuse is as lazy as Boyd has become. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie alan Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 37 minutes ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said: if the baw is smeared with chocolate maybe all joking aside though i dont see how you can possibly believe in his current condition he could be our top scorer you are writing Erwin off after he came off the bench on Saturday and showed excellent composure to put us 2-0 up and to say Boydies not as fit as he should be ?? thats the biggest understatement ive read since Laurence Oates said "I may be some time" he is 32/33 not 43 or 53, im 36, have a sedatory desk job and weigh less than him. id be happy betting my metabolism is worse than his, i only need to smell a steak bake from Greggs and i'm making a new notch in the belt. Hes a professional football player in the highest level of Scottish football, to use age or metabolism as an excuse is as lazy as Boyd has become. Thought you were older than that I'm 53 next birthday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Killie alan said: Thought you were older than that I'm 53 next birthday He had a hard paper round... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, CB said: He had a hard paper round... uphill and into the wind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimStripey Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I've a lot of respect for Kris but he is feeling the inevitable effects of age. Erwin I'm sure will become our main striker but he missed the Celtic game because his partner was giving birth. As someone with a 6 month old I know what having a newborn is like and it's hard work! I suspect he hasn't trained much since the birth which is why he wasn't started at the weekend especially as he was due to start the Celtic game. I can see why LM would pick Boyd ahead of Erwin under these circumstances. For me he picked the right team on Saturday given what was at his disposal. From now on we need to see how he copes though and Boyd should be part of the squad but not relied upon as our main goal threat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 minute ago, SlimStripey said: I've a lot of respect for Kris but he is feeling the inevitable effects of age. Anyone would think he is pushing 40. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 He's 34 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 16 hours ago, Bullitt said: He's 34 Correct, turned 34 last week. Still no excuse for his lack of fitness though. Plenty of players well above that age could put him to shame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) Teddy Sheringham played in a FA cup final when he was 40, when he was 34 he scored 21 goals in 42 appearences for Man Utd when he was 35 he was resigned by Spurs after leaving Man U thats just 1 example that springs to mind, using his age as a reason for his condition is absoute nonsense, granted at his age he may need to work harder than he did when he was younger to maintain his fitness but thats the point, he has clearly given up concerning himself with being in the best shape he can Edited August 29, 2017 by Sp3ckyh0td0g81 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 He hasn't, as far as I can remember, even had any bad injuries in his career. A hernia in 2010 seems to be about it. Being naturally heavy may have caused more wear and tear to his joints but, let's be honest, he hasn't exactly spent his career tearing around the pitch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 29 minutes ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said: Teddy Sheringham played in a FA cup final when he was 40, when he was 34 he scored 21 goals in 42 appearences for Man Utd when he was 35 he was resigned by Spurs after leaving Man U thats just 1 example that springs to mind, using his age as a reason for his condition is absoute nonsense, granted at his age he may need to work harder than he did when he was younger to maintain his fitness but thats the point, he has clearly given up concerning himself with being in the best shape he can Ally McCoist was 36 when he signed for us and in much better shape. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, Fankle said: Ally McCoist was 36 when he signed for us and in much better shape. I think you're being kind to fat Sally there he was in slightly better shape than Boyd, he did manage 8 goals in that season though and played 29 games as it stands I don't see Boydie managing 29 games over the course of this season and he'd be doing well to bag 8 goals 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 A friend was telling me that Boyd was on a podcast talking about Le Guen. Apparently he had Boyd on a proper diet, which he stuck to, and hated. But Boyd said he couldn't score and wasn't happy. When Smith came in he said 'I don't know what the f**k le Guen was telling you but start eating'. And he did, and he started scoring... I imagine thats a lot to do with the 'happier squad, benefits on the pitch' thing that comes up all the time. But I've never had the impression Boyd has the discipline to be an athlete as others are. I'm happy with him km the squad, last ten minutes when we are lumping the ball desperate for a win. But we seem to have managers terrified of fully dropping him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 52 minutes ago, mitch14 said: Apparently he had Boyd on a proper diet, which he stuck to, and hated. But Boyd said he couldn't score and wasn't happy. When Smith came in he said 'I don't know what the f**k le Guen was telling you but start eating'. Mental health is a big part of well being. Boydie putting himself on a diet himself because he wanted to be the best athletic footballer he could be is one thing. Boydie on a diet because somebody else thought it would be good for him is another. Smith probably understood this principle instinctively without going into the details. Le Guen was used to working with people who just wanted to be the best they could be without any additional motivation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Mental health is a big part of well being. Boydie putting himself on a diet himself because he wanted to be the best athletic footballer he could be is one thing. Boydie on a diet because somebody else thought it would be good for him is another. Smith probably understood this principle instinctively without going into the details. Le Guen was used to working with people who just wanted to be the best they could be without any additional motivation. What size of Pizza do you want Boydy? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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