Dieter's Heeder Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Surely enough is enough of this lone completely isolated striker nonsense? Not saying it would change everything over night should we change them, but surely these tactics are inviting opposition onto us every single week? One up top is fine for the odd certain game - but games at home to the likes of Hamilton Accies I'd like to see us have a right go. Erwin and Brophy would have been my choice but even if Boyd was to play then give him a partner up front. Opposition defenders are getting far too easy a time of it from us atm, need to give them something to think about. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 The system if properly used would be effective for us both home and away ......If the right players were used and the team set up correctly ....no sign of either as yet .......other teams play only one striker but very often you see thier midfielders or wide men quickly move forward into the box and score goals our wingers more often stay isolated on touchline and seldom switch or move inside when play is on the opposite side to support the striker our so called attacking central midfielder is played too deep and seems at times more worried about whom he is supposed to mark than moving forward quickly to support the striker ......... we do not have a box to box midfielder in the squad ........ And we miss Kiltie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 We can't play two out and out wingers and two forwards without two good tough tackling box to box midfielders* We're already getting overrun in midfield with five (or four and a half) in there. It seems to me that we are going to have to sacrifice some width to get more bodies protecting back four. Could Jones or Thomas adapt to a 4-3-2-1 where the '2' get in close support of a lone striker who then wouldn't be so isolated? They would have to have the wit to be fluid and the three would have to take responsibility for most of the creative work. Some radical change of that sort is going to be needed I fear. *We don't have any! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livvy Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Anyone who watches us and thinks two up top is the answer baffles me. Our midfield get entirely over run every week. Why would taking a man out of there make things any better. We'dbe getting Gary Locke style hidings every single week. I appreciate we'veused it to good effect in a couple of league cup games against tired amateur opposition in the second half but that does not mean it will work from the start against the better teams we have to play week in week out. It's not the system that'sthe problem. It's the entire void we have in the .middle of the park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl1869 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 The system we play is crying out for someone with a good engine in the middle, they don't even need to be a great ball player, just someone who can get up and down for 90 minutes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie1984 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 With our stupidly tiny pitch a 4321 might make more sense. We have plenty of options for the attacking mid slots. Only downside is who would be the 3 central/ holding mids? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 One up front = score two goals. It wasn't the system that f**ked us, it was individual errors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 10 hours ago, livvy said: Anyone who watches us and thinks two up top is the answer baffles me. Our midfield get entirely over run every week. Why would taking a man out of there make things any better. We'dbe getting Gary Locke style hidings every single week. I appreciate we'veused it to good effect in a couple of league cup games against tired amateur opposition in the second half but that does not mean it will work from the start against the better teams we have to play week in week out. It's not the system that'sthe problem. It's the entire void we have in the .middle of the park. I don't think that's necessarily how things work. There's ways and means of shoring up the midfield, all be it with less personnel in that actual role. Going back to the old cliche 'attack is the best form of defence' but maybe there's something we could take from that. Our current set up is extremely negative and invites even the weakest of opposition to have a go at them. Another man up top and let the ball stay up that end of the pitch a bit longer than it's currently doing, we might even create a few chances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livvy Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 17 hours ago, Dieter's Heeder said: I don't think that's necessarily how things work. There's ways and means of shoring up the midfield, all be it with less personnel in that actual role. Going back to the old cliche 'attack is the best form of defence' but maybe there's something we could take from that. Our current set up is extremely negative and invites even the weakest of opposition to have a go at them. Another man up top and let the ball stay up that end of the pitch a bit longer than it's currently doing, we might even create a few chances. I'm sorry but we currently have no central midfielders capable of playing this system. The amount of possession we have will drastically reduce and we will be walked through by everyone in this league. Very few teams are playing 4-4-2 these days. It's a dated system. Subsequently few modern players are familiar with it, trained to play within it, or have the right attributes to play within it. Most importantly from a Killie perspective, teams that play 4-4-2 need a very specific combination in midfield, players able to cover considerably more ground than anyone in our current squad with a wider range of attacking and defensive attributes as well wide midfielders capable of contributing a lot more to defensive phases of play. We don't have a single midfield player at the club capable of playing in a 4-4-2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just now, livvy said: We don't have a single midfield player at the club capable of playing in a 4-4-2. do you honestly think that from the midfield players we have in our squad none of them have ever played in a succesful 4-4-2 ? thats a ridiculous statement to make 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livvy Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just now, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said: do you honestly think that from the midfield players we have in our squad none of them have ever played in a succesful 4-4-2 ? thats a ridiculous statement to make We don't have midfielders with the attributes to play that system. There may be players there who have had those attributes in the past...Stevie Smith 5 years and 50 injuries ago and a younger Chris Burke but none currently. The last time we did was probably when we had Craig Bryson and James Fowler. Closest player we've got is Gary Dicker and even then he'd need to be paired with a very creative box to box player to make it work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Dicker is the only out and out central midfielder we have at the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 i can see Ian Wilson being moulded into a good solid central midfielder, work rate was unquestionable at the weekend, not scared to track back and get a challenge in when required and has an eye for a pass, albeit they might not all come off, and he has made a couple of mistakes but for 18 year old i dont think he gets anywhere near the credit or indeed support from fans as what he should 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie alan Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said: i can see Ian Wilson being moulded into a good solid central midfielder, work rate was unquestionable at the weekend, not scared to track back and get a challenge in when required and has an eye for a pass, albeit they might not all come off, and he has made a couple of mistakes but for 18 year old i dont think he gets anywhere near the credit or indeed support from fans as what he should Absolutely agree wholeheartedly with you mare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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