gdevoy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, RAG said: Using overtly racist language to report other peoples racist views and then voting in line with those racist views- cos you think it's a vote winner- could easily be interpreted as inherently racist. Yup, the whole question was compounded by the juvenile, insulting, racist language and the fact one has to pander to the racist views of others one may or not agree with if one wants to get elected in a democracy. And then there is the point that there is a high probability the guy making the remarks about other peoples preferences almost certainly shares them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, gdevoy said: I was aware there were multiple allegations and that the whole thing is very difficult to deal with because they are all hearsay. But, as Skygod says, I was trying to identify in principle, simply to educate myself, what does and what does not constitute "racism". Discrimination @gdevoy? Think that is the simple definition. Saying you wouldn't vote for someone cos they are, A "brown Muslim P*ki" B "woman" or C "wheelchair user" would be unacceptable discriminatory language and is just not the sort of thing political parties indulge in - even UKIP! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, RAG said: Discrimination @gdevoy? Think that is the simple definition. Saying you wouldn't vote for someone cos they are, A "brown Muslim P*ki" B "woman" or C "wheelchair user" would be unacceptable discriminatory language and is just not the sort of thing political parties indulge in - even UKIP! Yeah that is very clear but what about saying you did not want A "brown Muslim P*ki" B "woman" or C "wheelchair user" as your party leader because nobody would vote for them? Or, indeed, saying you did not want someone from an ethnic minority to buy the house next to yours because it would reduce the value of your property? Edited January 31, 2018 by gdevoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Yeah that is very clear but what about saying you did not want A "brown Muslim P*ki" B "woman" or C "wheelchair user" as your party leader because nobody would vote for them? I'd have thought it should be based on ability not background. You only need to look at the Irish PM, of Indian background (and gay). His Brexit speeches were crystal clear compared to the guff TM was spouting. We should be well beyond that argument of discrimination on basis of background these days. Can you imagine the stooshie if some Tory had said to Teresa May when she campaigning for PM - I don't want you as PM, no-one will vote for a woman? Regarding the Sarwar incident, I think he primarily comes across as bit of a smug prick, His racial background may have been a small factor for a few knuckle draggers as to why they didn't vote for him, but lets not blow it out of proportion. He's second rate and given the amount of cash spent on the leadership election, should have comfortably won. There's an element of sour grapes in this yarn too! Edited January 31, 2018 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 32 minutes ago, RAG said: There's an element of sour grapes in this yarn too! I caught just a wiff of that but was scared to mention it in case I was accused of racism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Not kept up with this story; does it just boil down to Brits are racists? can’t really be bothered reading too much about Labour and their members. We already knew they were sectarian, finding out they’re racists too shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, gdevoy said: I caught just a wiff of that but was scared to mention it in case I was accused of racism. Haha That's what Sarwar's trying to do though. Bleat about racism and detract from wider criticism of his own failings. He had many times the cash of Richard Leonard's campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 He should have spent his money on skin bleaching if he wanted to get ahead in Labour or found a brain donor and joined the snp. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Surprising there's been no swift condemnation from our self righteous moral guardian of this clown's alleged comments... https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/senior-labour-councillor-suspended-party-14225256.amp Aww wait, Monica Lennon's pal who she called "the best councillor in Hamilton? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8521630.stm If he's the best, the rest canny be up to much. Apparently, the investigation has been handed over to the branch office... I expect the same thoroughness they gave to Rowley. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 How can you meaningfully "investigate" what was said in a conversation between 2 people? He caued me a P**I! Naw Ah didnae. Aye ye did! Naw Ah didne. What possible benefit can come from it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Old school Labour with old school viewpoints too... https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/outrage-labour-councillor-racist-burka-12196254 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Fankle said: Old school Labour with old school viewpoints too... https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/outrage-labour-councillor-racist-burka-12196254 There is such a chasm between the Corbynista, feminist, neo-Marxist, "Diversity, Inclusivity and Equity", Labour party of the Westminster elite and the ex-mining community values of labour supporting areas of Gods own country. If they are going to expel everybody who makes a "P***i", "D****e", or burka remark, they will loose half the party officials. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, gdevoy said: If they are going to expel everybody who makes a "P***i", "D****e", or burka remark, they will loose half the party officials. No bad thing in my view. "Jim Dempster has asked Dumfries and Galloway Council to send him to diversity training" ... is this the stock 'get-out' for these racists, a training course and a wee certificate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Scooter said: "Jim Dempster has asked Dumfries and Galloway Council to send him to diversity training" ... is this the stock 'get-out' for these racists, a training course and a wee certificate? Hopefully there'll be a misunderstanding and he'll be put on a high intensity street dance course with Ashley Banjo... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Scooter said: "Jim Dempster has asked Dumfries and Galloway Council to send him to diversity training" ... is this the stock 'get-out' for these racists, a training course and a wee certificate? Have you got a better idea? I know, we'll just evict all of them from all the mainstream parties leaving them all to get bitter and resentful in a wee corner somewhere. Until they band together to form a "Britain First!" type alternative party. You might be shocked at how much support such a party might command. The UK voted to evict the furriners from Europe so it should be no problem to generate a groundswell against anybody from the Middle East or Asia. Unless you have a "final solution" for people of that mind-set you have to accept they exist and deal with it. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just further proof that Scotland is as racist as anywhere else. Sad, but true. The exceptionalism is delusional. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Just further proof that Scotland is as racist as anywhere else. Sad, but true. The exceptionalism is delusional. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Just further proof that Scotland is as racist as anywhere else. Sad, but true. The exceptionalism is delusional. Still no quote on the union bears then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 hours ago, Beaker71 said: Still no quote on the union bears then. Even if you hate them, they're still Scottish. That's your whole problem. They'll still exist and their still a type of Scot. Sorry if this is inconvenient. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: Even if you hate them, they're still Scottish. That's your whole problem. They'll still exist and their still a type of Scot. Sorry if this is inconvenient. Don't think they'd take kindly to being described as Scottish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Even if you hate them, they're still Scottish. That's your whole problem. They'll still exist and their still a type of Scot. Sorry if this is inconvenient. I despise their behaviour, but it’s your utter refusal to pass judgement which is the worst thing. You’re Always happy to try and throw stones at the SNP and the very very small percentage of idiots who make stupid social media comments, but reduce to denounce union supporting bigots making Nazi salutes!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, Brianstorm said: The very very small percentage. Unfortunately for the unionists this mob and their orange order brethren are a sufficiently large group to be held up for and fail any kind of reasoned scrutiny. utter cretins one and all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/labour-racism-row-councillor-accused-12228722 Deary me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 18 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Even if you hate them, they're still Scottish. That's your whole problem. They'll still exist and their still a type of Scot. Sorry if this is inconvenient. Aye, I'd be pretty confident the vast majority of them voted like you in September 2014. Dress it up any way you want, it's true and you know it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 16/03/2018 at 9:09 AM, Fankle said: Old school Labour with old school viewpoints too... https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/outrage-labour-councillor-racist-burka-12196254 A clown like that got elected for decades in Irvine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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