Pompey Repatriated Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Would be good if the biggest hardest player imaginable came out and these scumbags had to say what they thought to their face. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigD'sGingerLorry Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 There are probably some some deluded souls out there who believe that there has never been anyone who is gay has played for Kilmarnock. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC15 Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 What does the “I” stand for in the title? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, MC15 said: What does the “I” stand for in the title? Intersex - people born with both male and female reproductive parts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azert Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, Dieter's Heeder said: Intersex - people born with both male and female reproductive parts. Don't forget the Q on LGBTIQ. Questioning. "gender fluid" man one day, women the next. Or whatever, made up attention seeking bollocks they feel like that day -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie242KFC Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, azertyuiop said: Don't forget the Q on LGBTIQ. Questioning. "gender fluid" man one day, women the next. Or whatever, made up attention seeking bollocks they feel like that day Personally think the Q is offensive, but that's just my perspective. Other gay people disagree 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 As long as they don’t identify themselves as cyclists or AstroTurf salesman, who cares what label anyone attaches to themselves? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 6 hours ago, azertyuiop said: Don't forget the Q on LGBTIQ. Questioning. "gender fluid" man one day, women the next. Or whatever, made up attention seeking bollocks they feel like that day A transgender young person in North Ayrshire killed themselves this week. c**ts like you make life so hard for them. I do a lot of work with a couple of trans young folk and I can assure you nothing is "made up" or done for attention, quite the opposite. I work closely with the local doctor on it who has a wide range of expertise on the subject, I'll need to tell him a random arsehole on the internet disagrees with his professional opinion. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azert Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) Suicide rates within the transgender community are 40% higher than any other sector. That is not all down to name calling and bullying. This is a mental health issue with many facets attached to it. The World Health Organisation and many health professionals still class this a mental health disorder. The WHO are looking to change there stance on it in 2018 (I believe) but that coupd be reversed as they are still learning as we go. basic biology suggests you cannot change gender. People should be educated, comforted and helped in dealing with their issues but they certainly should not be pandered to. Edited September 21, 2017 by azertyuiop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 44 minutes ago, azertyuiop said: Suicide rates within the transgender community are 40% higher than any other sector. That is not all down to name calling and bullying. This is a mental health issue with many facets attached to it. The World Health Organisation and many health professionals still class this a mental health disorder. The WHO are looking to change there stance on it in 2018 (I believe) but that coupd be reversed as they are still learning as we go. basic biology suggests you cannot change gender. People should be educated, comforted and helped in dealing with their issues but they certainly should not be pandered to. Suicide rates for trans young people are high - the main factors being lack of support from parents, no professional help from a GP or gender clinic, lack of support from the wider community (school/youth groups), rejection by family or friends, and bullying and discrimination. However, suicide rates for trans people who don't suffer these factors (ie whose parents are supportive, who sees a GP, who has support, who doesn't face discrimination) is - you guessed it - no different than for the general population. There's plenty of reasons a trans person is more likely to commit suicide, but they're factors that can be prevented. Be in no doubt that comments like yours are part of the problem. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Zorro said: As long as they don’t identify themselves as cyclists or AstroTurf salesman, who cares what label anyone attaches to themselves? Or there name is Andy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Zorro said: As long as they don’t identify themselves as cyclists or AstroTurf salesman, who cares what label anyone attaches to themselves? You're a bit of a dingbat at times Z but I laughed out loud at that. No problem with this initiative at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Anyone with a problem with this initiative should look at the swathes of empty blue plastic seats on Saturday and ask, "Are we inclusive enough?" A club that wants to be at the heart of its community should be clear that it welcomes everyone from that community. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Harrogate Peter said: Anyone with a problem with this initiative should look at the swathes of empty blue plastic seats on Saturday and ask, "Are we inclusive enough?" A club that wants to be at the heart of its community should be clear that it welcomes everyone from that community. I don't think there is any real question at all. Sometimes it does get lost in translation but I truly believe the club welcomes everyone from every conceivable ethnic background, sexual orientation, gender and age group. You don't even have to live in Kilmarnock, or even nearby. It just so happens that with the sensitivity of this particular issue, not signing up will be interpreted as LGBTI people are not welcome. So just sign up FFS! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye the Gnu Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Dillinger said: A transgender young person in North Ayrshire killed themselves this week. c**ts like you make life so hard for them. I do a lot of work with a couple of trans young folk and I can assure you nothing is "made up" or done for attention, quite the opposite. I work closely with the local doctor on it who has a wide range of expertise on the subject, I'll need to tell him a random arsehole on the internet disagrees with his professional opinion. Right, neck on the line time. I also occasionally work with LGBTs, and while most are genuinely nice ordinary people, there are also some, as in any walk of life, who are absolute ar***holes who hide behind this label. One particular guy.with a definite personality problem told me that people were against him just because he was gay. The reality was that he was an absolute bawbag of the first order, but he had a ready made excuse. I can also assure you that there are some 'trans' folk out there who do use it for attention, I've met some and I also work with a number of doctors who would agree with thist. While I appreciate and agree with your view about the many genuine LGBTs out there, my point is that there are some bad apples in every barrel. I know it may not be PC but it's true. Anyways, Back to the original point, any initiative to get bums on seats deserves our support, and good luck with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lroy Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Being able to see who gives out cards and likes in a thread like this is fascinating. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I don't get it. I really don't. Most folk don't give two hoots if you are red, white, black or blue or what religion or nationality someone is. Again with sexuality, I don't give a hoot if someone is gay or not. It's their life and who am I to judge. But by identifying them or creating an inclusive approach we are surely positively discriminatory? I haven't ever considered Rugby Park as a place where there needs to be something signed to say all are welcome. We've had gay players play for us, we've had different colours and different races, different religion, Catholics, Protestant, reformed drug addicts all play for the club or come watch the team. What next? A charter for woman to appease feminists? A religious charter to show a Jew and Muslim are welcome? The PC brigade are the ones who actually are creating the barriers when no one else even considered it an issue! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bullitt said: A religious charter to show a Jew and Muslim are welcome? Ah'm no commin back till the club issues a statement that Christians are welcome. Mid you the crowd do seem like a fairly devout lot, the number of times I have heard, "Oh Jesus Christ......." from the stands around me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye the Gnu Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Thank f*ck for the last two posts. I know I was provoked in my last post, but seriously, YAWN.............................. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 9 hours ago, Isle of Wight Exile said: Or there name is Andy... Oh! I forgot about that f**ker. Easy mistake to make given the nosedive his career has taken recently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Bullitt said: I don't get it. I really don't. Most folk don't give two hoots if you are red, white, black or blue or what religion or nationality someone is. Again with sexuality, I don't give a hoot if someone is gay or not. It's their life and who am I to judge. But by identifying them or creating an inclusive approach we are surely positively discriminatory? I haven't ever considered Rugby Park as a place where there needs to be something signed to say all are welcome. We've had gay players play for us, we've had different colours and different races, different religion, Catholics, Protestant, reformed drug addicts all play for the club or come watch the team. What next? A charter for woman to appease feminists? A religious charter to show a Jew and Muslim are welcome? The PC brigade are the ones who actually are creating the barriers when no one else even considered it an issue! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40846848 Some of the quotes from fans in this article explain why people can find these initiatives helpful. Meanwhile it does you no harm whatsoever, so rather than worrying about whether it's being too PC or whatever, you could just completely ignore it? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KA9Killie Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) I have probably heard the word 'w*nker' used as an insult far more than homophobic abuse at football games. What about the Onanistic community? I can honestly say that I have never heard a biphobic, transphobic or intersexophobic comment or chant. Actually, a transgender person would face instant discrimination from the SFA if they are born male and want to play in a women's team (or vice versa) - correct me if I am wrong. What about Asexuals, who find it all rather disgusting? By all means sign up to LGBTQIWOA+ though. Edited September 22, 2017 by KA9Killie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcilroy56 Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, KA9Killie said: I have probably heard the word 'w*nker' used as an insult far more than homophobic abuse at football games. What about the Onanistic community? I can honestly say that I have never heard a biphobic, transphobic or intersexophobic comment or chant. Actually, a transgender person would face instant discrimination from the SFA if they are born male and want to play in a women's team (or vice versa) - correct me if I am wrong. What about Asexuals, who find it all rather disgusting? By all means sign up to LGBTQIWOA+ though. Please let's not forget the non binary section, perhaps covered under genderqueer Edited September 22, 2017 by Mcilroy56 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Lroy said: Being able to see who gives out cards and likes in a thread like this is fascinating. I think we all should be able to see, in the name of transparency. Or, more to the point, to be able to hold a grudge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 A person's sexuality shouldn't affect them playing or watching football, it is a personal matter. Their politics and religion are personal matters too but the SFA and SPFL have both failed abysmally in stopping religious and political chants,songs, and banners, in Scottish football grounds. It is too much to hope that our football authorities belatedly realise that we are now in the 21st century ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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