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3 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

I've offered to have a friendly coffee with you to chew the fat over thes matters, but you don't want that. It's as Brianstorm says, we are not all Left or Right. I listened to a podcast recently with Mchael Heseltine and I totally agreed with his views on Europe and state intervention and little Englanders. He sounded closer to me than he did to the Tory right wing. But he's still a Tory and we go our separate ways on other issues. I haven't moved from left to right, although only a fool doesn't examine their views as circumstances change. Therefore I didn't agree with the Iraq war and I didn't agree with stuff like free schools and academies during New Labour and I despair a bit with the cult like behaviour of some Corbyn supporters and I don't agree with all his policies, but they're still my party and I stay in it and argue my point of view. By necessity parties are broad churches and encompass differing views and people. Your party was against tax increase before the election and now seems to be for them. You're view want suddenly change because of that. You despaired of Killie for a long time, but you didn't go and support Rangers, you stayed to make them better again. I'm afraid I struggle with the floating voter concept where you pick a party like you pick a supermarket. My wife voted Lib Dem after the Iraq war then felt betrayed when the went with the Tories. One of the major complaints I have about the SNP us the total adherence to the leadership and the total lack of robust internal debate. Anyway, who would I have voted for? I reject nearly everything the Tories stand for, I don't think for a second the SNP are radical and I don't believe in the basic concept of nationalism and I think the Lid Dems are an irrelevance. Centre left in my mind means I believe in strong public services and social justice but I accept the market is the best mechanism for other activities as long as it is made to work FOR people and not against them.

Great, honest reply. Thanks for clearing up a few things, get where you are coming from and agree totally what you are saying. 

PS, quite right, time to move on and will take you up on the offer, even a pint before game tomorrow if up for it.

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13 hours ago, Brianstorm said:

I'm not surprised you're confused, cause you're a bit dim. 

Just like there are 50 shades of grey, there iznae just left and right as you want to label folk. Keep pigeon holing though, it's why yer Nationalism is dying on its arse cause just like all other nationalism you desperately want to stick folk in boxes where they don't belong. 

See McLean’s concise, thoughtful and respectful response Brian as opposed to your childish rants. Keep up the good work, we all need humoured now and again.

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5 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

I've offered to have a friendly coffee with you to chew the fat over thes matters, but you don't want that. It's as Brianstorm says, we are not all Left or Right. I listened to a podcast recently with Mchael Heseltine and I totally agreed with his views on Europe and state intervention and little Englanders. He sounded closer to me than he did to the Tory right wing. But he's still a Tory and we go our separate ways on other issues. I haven't moved from left to right, although only a fool doesn't examine their views as circumstances change. Therefore I didn't agree with the Iraq war and I didn't agree with stuff like free schools and academies during New Labour and I despair a bit with the cult like behaviour of some Corbyn supporters and I don't agree with all his policies, but they're still my party and I stay in it and argue my point of view. By necessity parties are broad churches and encompass differing views and people. Your party was against tax increase before the election and now seems to be for them. You're view want suddenly change because of that. You despaired of Killie for a long time, but you didn't go and support Rangers, you stayed to make them better again. I'm afraid I struggle with the floating voter concept where you pick a party like you pick a supermarket. My wife voted Lib Dem after the Iraq war then felt betrayed when the went with the Tories. One of the major complaints I have about the SNP us the total adherence to the leadership and the total lack of robust internal debate. Anyway, who would I have voted for? I reject nearly everything the Tories stand for, I don't think for a second the SNP are radical and I don't believe in the basic concept of nationalism and I think the Lid Dems are an irrelevance. Centre left in my mind means I believe in strong public services and social justice but I accept the market is the best mechanism for other activities as long as it is made to work FOR people and not against them.

I agree with a lot that you say here Mclean but I am a Scottish Independence supporter. I am not a member of the SNP & I don't agree with all their policies but you fall into the exact same trap that you are explaining here. You tar all Independence supporters with the same brush & suggest that we agree with everything that the SNP/Scottish governments says. Pot, Kettle, Black. Your reasoning that every SNP supporter blindly goes along with the leaders is completely wrong.  

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6 hours ago, Mcilroy56 said:

Great, honest reply. Thanks for clearing up a few things, get where you are coming from and agree totally what you are saying. 

PS, quite right, time to move on and will take you up on the offer, even a pint before game tomorrow if up for it.

I'm going with my son ( the one who doesn't exist :) ) so I'd rather have a chat on our own. I'm glad you've agreed and I would like to move on as well. Maybe the next home match.

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6 hours ago, Mcilroy56 said:

Great, honest reply. Thanks for clearing up a few things, get where you are coming from and agree totally what you are saying. 

PS, quite right, time to move on and will take you up on the offer, even a pint before game tomorrow if up for it.

Traitor..................................9_9...........:P

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17 hours ago, gdevoy said:

Just to confuse the issue. I am not persuaded that independence is a good thing but I have and will again vote for the SNP when the choice is between them, the Torees and the Blairite Tory lite Labour party. 

I'm beginning to think you've lost your marbles. Corbyn's Labour is Blarite Tory lire? Truly bizarre.

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21 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

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This threads about Catalonia dude.  You really need to get beyond your SNP obsession, or try and at least ring fence it in the relevant threads.

Don't think the Queen's sent Sturgeon and SNP into political exile in Belgium - well yet anyway..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/30/spanish-prosecutor-calls-for-rebellion-charges-against-catalan-leaders

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47 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

I'm beginning to think you've lost your marbles. Corbyn's Labour is Blarite Tory lire? Truly bizarre.

I would vote for Corbyn as he's a socialist even if he does seem to have some sort of very thinly veiled irrational dislike for Scottish people and in fact anybody from anywhere else in Europe.

I would not vote for any Blarite Labour candidate as they are clearly only interesting in getting power at any price and would do anything to appease the property owning middle class aging white population of the Home Counties. I'll say it again as you have yet to provide any mitigation for it, it was the Blarites who introduced student debt, privatised railways and the private finance initiative. Gordon Brown did do some tings towards advancing social justice but his heart was never really in the Nu-Labour project.  

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1 hour ago, RAG said:

This threads about Catalonia dude.  You really need to get beyond your SNP obsession, or try and at least ring fence it in the relevant threads.

Don't think the Queen's sent Sturgeon and SNP into political exile in Belgium - well yet anyway..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/30/spanish-prosecutor-calls-for-rebellion-charges-against-catalan-leaders

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1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

I would vote for Corbyn as he's a socialist even if he does seem to have some sort of very thinly veiled irrational dislike for Scottish people and in fact anybody from anywhere else in Europe.

I would not vote for any Blarite Labour candidate as they are clearly only interesting in getting power at any price and would do anything to appease the property owning middle class aging white population of the Home Counties. I'll say it again as you have yet to provide any mitigation for it, it was the Blarites who introduced student debt, privatised railways and the private finance initiative. Gordon Brown did do some tings towards advancing social justice but his heart was never really in the Nu-Labour project.  

" very thinly veiled irrational dislike for the Scottish people ". Wow!! You just keep voting SNP. You're definitely cut from their cloth.

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1 minute ago, gdevoy said:

You beat me to it.

Establishment 1, Sepratists 0.

Revolution over.

Gdevoy, they're playing the same trick as the SNP on you. They're not some radical anti establishment radical group. They ARE the Catalonian establishment and they don't want to share their relative wealth with the rest of Spain. Dig deeper, man!!

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11 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

" very thinly veiled irrational dislike for the Scottish people ". Wow!! You just keep voting SNP. You're definitely cut from their cloth.

Seems to be only at home with his inner Laandan socialist elite clique.

I could be wrong as he seemed like a complete buffoon as presented by the BBC. The image shattered when he actually got to talk to people during the election campaign.

My message to him would be "Come to Scotland, say hello to people, they will take you for a pint and you'll find they are not all rabid nationalists and some of them are quite educated and articulate".

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1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

Seems to be only at home with his inner Laandan socialist elite clique.

I could be wrong as he seemed like a complete buffoon as presented by the BBC. The image shattered when he actually got to talk to people during the election campaign.

My message to him would be "Come to Scotland, say hello to people, they will take you for a pint and you'll find they are not all rabid nationalists and some of them are quite educated and articulate".

Been here on many ocassions. Recently completed a very succesful tour of Scotland. Honestly, you don't base much on facts.

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