killieblues Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41907245 Surprised to read this. From what I saw, the football wasn't that great! Edited November 7, 2017 by killieblues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 All in all quite an odd article. Think it's basically an advert for his services 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleycouley93 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 He’s tactically inept says if he had stayed they would have gelled . Did he not quit ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livvy Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 No they were not. The performances were the biggest fear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 24 minutes ago, Isle of Wight Exile said: All in all quite an odd article. Think it's basically an advert for his services I think it is exactly that. How much and how quickly the team have improved under Clarke doesn't do much for McCulloch's reputation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Very contradicting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I'm surprised anyone is surprised at this. The guy basically has to blame other factors. If he holds his hands up and says he was just rubbish at his job, he will never work again. I think there's an element of truth to what he's saying - Steve Clarke has undoubtedly improved us, but I also think he's come in at just the right time, in terms of fitness of the many players Lee brought in who hadn't played much. Given time, I think these players would have been fitter and played better under Lee, but nothing like what the have done these last few weeks. As I said at the time, I wish Lee well, as he was a very nice guy in my dealings with him. Which is a surprise, as I fecking hated him when he played for the scum. Just glad we have a far better manager in now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I hope he gets another job and builds his reputation and he's a smashing fella. It was too big a job for him too early. His comments I don't agree with however as mentioned he has to say this if he wants to work in management again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, Bullitt said: I hope he gets another job and builds his reputation and he's a smashing fella. It was too big a job for him too early. His comments I don't agree with however as mentioned he has to say this if he wants to work in management again. Aye, I don't agree with that article at all and failed to see any signs of improvement (the opposite actually) but he was a good guy. Too big a job, too soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpetree Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) The Evening Times article online says he's looking to get back in a job, but maybe as a coach or assistant at this point. Probably fits in with the theory that a manager's position was too much for him at this stage and that he walked. All the best to him anyway - seemed a decent enough guy, but over-promoted too soon, as others have said. Edited November 8, 2017 by Trumpetree 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_geezer Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said: Aye, I don't agree with that article at all and failed to see any signs of improvement (the opposite actually) but he was a good guy. Too big a job, too soon. You have to be really incompetent if managing Killie is really “too big a job”. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 The difference between Ross County and Partick was like night and day. Standing off opponents when they had possession vs mobbing the opponent in possession with three guys on him at any one time. Shrugging your shoulders when the ball was hoofed into space vs haring off after it as though you life depended on it. I don't know what changed as Steve Clarke had not even got the job at that point. The only difference was Lee was not in the dugout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I say good luck Lee , helluva nice guy despite who he played for , his humming and hawing about taking the job should have been an indication of his feelings about his ability to do the job. Get yourself to Alloa or Stenhousemuir and learn your trade there for a few years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Like Alan Johnston, I hope he can revive his managerial career and go on to do well. Likeable guy but the performances under his reign were nothing short of diabolical and there was no evidence they were about to improve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Y Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 He was very reluctant to take the job in the first place, was he not? The indication there was that he knew he wasn't ready. That hesitation and apparent lack of self-belief was his undoing. Players can sniff it a mile off! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleycouley93 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I don’t think he has the tactical ability to be a manager . He has basically said he couldn’t take a team any further after 8 games into the season . He will struggle to get a top job for a while after that statement . He had no enthusiasm or spark about him he may be pals with you in dressing room and stuff but players respect authority. Clarke won’t have any pals in the changing room he will be setting the standard and making it clear if your not trying you will be replaced . We have been given some professionalism . After a while we now look like we are willing to take a booking and take knocks and go down , these small things influence the game . Delighted we are starting to be more streetwise and getting in peoples faces . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, gdevoy said: I don't know what changed as Steve Clarke had not even got the job at that point. The only difference was Lee was not in the dugout. He watched us so maybe him and MacDonald planned together? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deza Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 The problem wasn’t just the results but the manner of the performances and that is what SC has changed more than anything! Hope he can watch and learn and how an experienced manager can improve his group of players 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Joe said: I find it unfair the criticism of LM. Everyone to a man wanted him last year. He refused initially but the fans basically persuaded him. He walked by his own admission wasn't getting results. The player's or Power, Burke, Broad foot , Boyd should hang their heads. Only turn it on now as they have realised they are or would be done. IMO Lee was a good guy who had the conviction to leave. FFS give him a break. He supported youth also. Short memories some of you. Pretty much what everyone has been saying. good guy, nice guy but not up to the job. that is the only way criticism has been levelled at him. criticism of results is hardly unfair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dillinger said: I'm surprised anyone is surprised at this. The guy basically has to blame other factors. If he holds his hands up and says he was just rubbish at his job, he will never work again. I think there's an element of truth to what he's saying - Steve Clarke has undoubtedly improved us, but I also think he's come in at just the right time, in terms of fitness of the many players Lee brought in who hadn't played much. Given time, I think these players would have been fitter and played better under Lee, but nothing like what the have done these last few weeks. As I said at the time, I wish Lee well, as he was a very nice guy in my dealings with him. Which is a surprise, as I fecking hated him when he played for the scum. Just glad we have a far better manager in now. I don't think there is an element of truth in this at all. Players don't go from unfit to fit in the gap between the Ross County game and the Partick game. In any case, if they are not as fit as other teams in October after a full pre-season then there is something wrong. Fitness is not the difference, the difference is that Clarke is an extremely experienced, knowledgeable coach and McCulloch wasn't - irrespective of whether he was a nice guy or not. I do not agree at all with this revisionist view of McCulloch's reign - there were no indications whatsoever that these players 'would have been fitter and played better', on the contrary the general view is that there were no signs improvement and thankfully the board and McCulloch himself also came to this conclusion. Edited November 8, 2017 by historyman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Joe said: I find it unfair the criticism of LM. Everyone to a man wanted him last year. He refused initially but the fans basically persuaded him. He walked by his own admission wasn't getting results. The player's or Power, Burke, Broad foot , Boyd should hang their heads. Only turn it on now as they have realised they are or would be done. IMO Lee was a good guy who had the conviction to leave. FFS give him a break. He supported youth also. Short memories some of you. Wow, I think most posts have been sympathetic towards him? For whatever reason, the players didn't play for him. Sadly, as a manager that's a big issue. Lee is a great big guy, most folk are in agreement on that. But to say we were anything other than rank rotten this season before his departure would be a lie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Y Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Sorry Joe, but that is bollocks. Regarding his appointment, if you care to check these boards you'll find plenty dissenting voices, myself included. From what I can see, nobody is slating the guy. He walked once he realised what a fair number of us suspected...he wasn't ready! Edited November 8, 2017 by Mister Y 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie's Dad Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I liked the guy and was happy to see him getting the job. However the results and performances showed that it was too early for him. Hopefully he’ll go on to be a decent Manager at whatever level. I think most Killie fans have been pretty fair in their comments towards him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Y Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Joe, my point is that NOT EVERYONE wanted him. So that is bollocks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 24 minutes ago, Joe said: I find it unfair the criticism of LM. Everyone to a man wanted him last year. Whit the hell!? I wanted Steve Clarke! I've finally got him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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