gdevoy Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 15 hours ago, Prahakillie said: It seems he still wants to have his cake. All of the Brexiteers keep insisting any post Brexit deal the UK negotiates with the EU will include ALL the current benefits of membership but we will be tied to NONE of the current EU regulations. This deal will happen because it is clearly in the self interest of all the remaining EU members to provide the UK with such a deal. IMO somebody is going to have to explain this to the remaining EU members because while it seems blindingly obvious to JRM and BoJo, it aint that clear to the rest of the EU right now. And perhaps they could explain to to me while they are at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Now David Davis is proclaiming Brexit won't be a Mad Max style dystopia. A bit of a step back from his there is no down side position 18 months ago. One could be forgiven for thinking the Brexiteers were having some trouble selling their rosy vision to the doubters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, gdevoy said: Now David Davis is proclaiming Brexit won't be a Mad Max style dystopia. A bit of a step back from his there is no down side position 18 months ago. One could be forgiven for thinking the Brexiteers were having some trouble selling their rosy vision to the doubters. It's kind of weird how it was BIG news a few months ago, when they negotiated basically f. all with Ireland - according to the Irish PM anyway! Is so little about it in 2018, power sharing deal looks to have collapsed in N.I. too. Me thinks the can's been kicked down the road. IF you thought the leave remain thing was viscous in 2016. The pro "hard" Brexit, "any powers given to EU court (for example) dilutes UK parliament sovereignty" lot v PRO EU single market folk will split country right in 2 - hence how debate suppressed. Cos of weak Tory majority, they'll follow a hard Brexit path. Tories dont do all out warfare in gov. like Labour. But this is BIG test in next year or so of that traditional "The Tories Govern" hypothesis with JAcob Rees Mogg and his 50 strong ERG or European research group. Where's the anti EU 1922 committee the BBC reported on in 1990s now? Thats the ERG. This is a concerted generational campaign, subverting governance by being anti EU and pro USA. Totally hard Brexit believers - yet we are made to believe the 10 strong DUP are holding the PM to a Hard Brexit, going on media reports? It's complete bollocks. Brexit is a totally unnecessary can of worms. Might be great for the UK, but you'd at the very least need to take a speculative, long term view of that - including maximising human potential and maxing out productivity - all things we in the UK are no good at and with increasingly inequality - will only get less good at! If the Tories were saying post hard brexit, we'll re-balance economy on a geographic basis and invest in turning folk from the massive world leading UK education system, into employable people who through modern technology could export our service industry skills and boost domestic manufacturing abroad via the internet or phone lines - that would be good. Instead, it'll be the mile square city of London that gets the offshore benefits of Brexit! There's no suggestion the economy will be re-balanced. Brexit is a waste of time, unless you're from the South East.. Edited February 20, 2018 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 I see IDS and his chums, including JRM are demanding the ERG predictions of a post Brexit boom be taken as just as credible as the civil service economic forecasts saying we will be Daffy Ducked. However there is a fundamental difference. a) The civil service forecasts are based on loosing market access which WILL happen on Brexit. b) The ERG predictions are based on gaining increased trade which MAY happen outside the EU. Something else to be born in mind is that the WILL happen is now, even if the MAY happen becomes DOES happen you are talking about a 10 to 20 year period needed to get the deal in place. Also, anybody who thinks a trade deal with the USA will be good is delusional. Nobody who trades with the USA comes out of it well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 I find it amusing that even Gove acknowledges they will have to look further afield for migrant farm workers now. Not sure that is what Brexiteers had in mind when they wanted an end to free movement of labour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Seems the Brexiteers are now not only saying, "why do we have bother with all the complications this devolution stupidity is causing." The have now moved on to "why do we have bother with all the complications this Good Friday Agreement stupidity is causing." Lets just abolish devolution, abolish the Good Friday Agreement, abolish membership of the EU and return to the 1950's Shangri la of the UK as it used to be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Another speech from May saying absolutely nothing so she doesn't offend any Tory MP. Why do the BBC proclaim it as wonderfully? It's like something from state media in a totalitarian state. Where us the criticism of the complete absence of any idea about what to do about Ireland? Where is the criticism about her acceptance of giving up a very viable trading alliance in exchange for the promise of some magic beans at some point in the future? There seems to be a blanket UK media ban on discussing any of the huge holes in the current cover ments strategy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Another speech from May saying absolutely nothing so she doesn't offend any Tory MP. Why do the BBC proclaim it as wonderfully? It's like something from state media in a totalitarian state. How many times have those on the YES side said this? The BBC IS the state broadcaster. It’s is not in anyway impartial, it’s is run purely to tell the masses what they should think, believe and how they should think, behave and vote. no doubt the yoons will have a different view and try and ridicule me. but the facts against the BBC are piling up on a daily basis. Edited March 3, 2018 by Beaker71 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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