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1 hour ago, harley said:

Mclean the ultra socialist siding with, IMO the ultra conservative/capitalist. Who would have thought it. Please correct me if I am wrong DG. Not a dig at you DG as most people know where you stand but Mclean seems to have 2 faces.

You aren’t wrong . I despise Socialism in all it’s guises but I particularly deplore the damp stuff. I’d rather have it red in tooth and claw because it fails quicker . 

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

A grand saving for poor people of 38p a week!! A fvcking insult and it will be swallowed up wth admin.

Red Tories - what can you do?!

I wouldn't call a tax cut for those you describe as "poor people"  (I'd call them 55% of taxpayers in Scotland btw)  to be "a f*cking insult"!

But I wouldn't consider myself to be a frothing ultra yoon champagne socialist, defending the neo liberal faith and low tax on the rich policies of  c*nts like Maggie Thatcher and Tony Blair!

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4 hours ago, RAG said:

Red Tories - what can you do?!

I wouldn't call a tax cut for those you describe as "poor people"  (I'd call them 55% of taxpayers in Scotland btw)  to be "a f*cking insult"!

But I wouldn't consider myself to be a frothing ultra yoon champagne socialist, defending the neo liberal faith and low tax on the rich policies of  c*nts like Maggie Thatcher and Tony Blair!

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Socialists :) 

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4 hours ago, RAG said:

Red Tories - what can you do?!

I wouldn't call a tax cut for those you describe as "poor people"  (I'd call them 55% of taxpayers in Scotland btw)  to be "a f*cking insult"!

But I wouldn't consider myself to be a frothing ultra yoon champagne socialist, defending the neo liberal faith and low tax on the rich policies of  c*nts like Maggie Thatcher and Tony Blair!

There's no difference between the Tories and Labour....none at all.

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17 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

There's no difference between the Tories and Labour....none at all.

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There is no difference and they haven't stopped homelessness falling in England, where your graph relates to.

Homelessness actually climbed from 43,000 applications in Scotland in 96/97 to a high of 60,000 applications in 2005 under Labour rule.  That is a 50% increase during the Blair boom years - despicable.

(Source) https://scotland.shelter.org.uk/housing_policy/key_statistics/homelessness_facts_and_research

You'll see homelessness in Scotland has actually fallen from 57,000 applications in 07/08 to 34,000 in 2016/17 under the SNP.

Homelessness is also a good deal worse in England, than it is in Scotland.

#SNPBAD ;)

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

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Socialists :) 

Labour News haha. So tell me you keep blaming the SNP for cuts then blame them for raising taxes. Do you actually blame the UK tories for cutting the Scottish budget year after year. Where the hell is the money coming from for your Labour utopia. You might not want to face facts but the Scottish government still has very little control over the tax take. 

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35 minutes ago, harley said:

Labour News haha. So tell me you keep blaming the SNP for cuts then blame them for raising taxes. Do you actually blame the UK tories for cutting the Scottish budget year after year. Where the hell is the money coming from for your Labour utopia. You might not want to face facts but the Scottish government still has very little control over the tax take. 

The budget hasn't been cut. PS can you publish the tax increases and services to be slashed when we don't have the nine billion gift from rUK.

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27 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

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Hahahahaha.....here's that we daftie admitting the Nats are neoliberal. Take note RAG :) 

Next you'll be suggesting a slice of lime is a Gin and tonic!  She didn't "admit" they were neoliberal, she said;

“I get the SNP has that wee string of neoliberalism through it and that kind of Edinburgh pandering to banks and to businesses, and stuff like that, and I get that I’m totally the opposite,” she says. “I think it’s almost like I’m a micro example of what the SNP is as a party in that you’ve got Karl Marx in one corner and then you’ve got somebody who’s basically got a conservative point of view in the other and the two of us argue it out and by the time that’s done, we reach something that’s pretty digestible for most people and that is the SNP.”  

The SNP lack the Hawkish, neoliberal interventionist foreign policy characteristic of your beloved Blair / Brown /Bush administrations. 

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22 hours ago, RAG said:

Next you'll be suggesting a slice of lime is a Gin and tonic!  She didn't "admit" they were neoliberal, she said;

“I get the SNP has that wee string of neoliberalism through it and that kind of Edinburgh pandering to banks and to businesses, and stuff like that, and I get that I’m totally the opposite,” she says. “I think it’s almost like I’m a micro example of what the SNP is as a party in that you’ve got Karl Marx in one corner and then you’ve got somebody who’s basically got a conservative point of view in the other and the two of us argue it out and by the time that’s done, we reach something that’s pretty digestible for most people and that is the SNP.”  

The SNP lack the Hawkish, neoliberal interventionist foreign policy characteristic of your beloved Blair / Brown /Bush administrations. 

What do suggest we cut to make up the nine billion gift from rUK.

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

What do suggest we cut to make up the nine billion gift from rUK.

So extrapolating your figures, as the U.K. deficit was a mere £15.9bn last month, To whom exactly do you consider this to be a “gift” ? It’s hardly a “Gift” when the UK treasury is mortgaging future generations against such a deficit, caused by the long term structural imbalance of the economy since virtually WW2 - I’ll set aside the plundering of scotch oil wealth in this period.

You could start savings with the £200bn we’re spending on the illegal and obsolete trident weapons system. 

The question after a decade of Tory austerity is not how to cut - but how to actually grow the effing economy, without using housing booms. 

Something the U.K. has never done - without plundering the wealth of poor countries we historically colonised. 

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15 hours ago, RAG said:

You could start savings with the £200bn we’re spending on the illegal and obsolete trident weapons system. 

 

3 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

200 million. Ok, that's about 2-3 %. Good luck finding the rest without austerity like you've never dreamt about.

£200 million is not the same as £200 billion!

At least in this instance you're only a thousand times out..

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3 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Scotland's share nowhere remotely near that and spears out over many years.

You could save on; Brexit £50bn+ . HS2 estimated £57bn. Westminister refurb estimated £7bn. Cross rail 1 and 2,  £15bn and an estimated £27-32bn. trident £200bn - all of little or no benefit to Scotland. 

The SNP have no control over how those big ticket items are spent - whereas under independence we would. 

Even assuming your £9bn figure - saving that lot would make an independent Scotland’s budget much healthier going forward than at present under Tory austerity. 

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On 12/19/2017 at 8:45 PM, RAG said:

The question after a decade of Tory austerity is not how to cut - but how to actually grow the effing economy, without using housing booms. 

While your 2nd comment is correct about growing the economy, the tories have only been in power for 7 years, not a decade.  

We would also have had some level of austerity if Labour had got back into power in 2010, after they f*cked up the UK economy. 

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22 hours ago, Pelesboots said:

While your 2nd comment is correct about growing the economy, the tories have only been in power for 7 years, not a decade.  

We would also have had some level of austerity if Labour had got back into power in 2010, after they f*cked up the UK economy. 

Can you explain, with facts, how Labour f*cked up the UK economy. I look forward to your analysis.

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42 minutes ago, Sandman396 said:

There really are easier ways to make an arse of yourself than coming on here asking to be abused.

 

It was not Labour that caused a worldwide financial crisis. It was Labour that helped ensure it didn't turn into a depression similar to the thirties. The Tories wanted lighter regulation, the Libdems constantly wanted higher public spending and the SNP were lauding the RBS takeover strategy. No serious economist believes Labour caused it, so excuse me if I call out this lie everytimr a Tory, Libdem or Nat repeats it.

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25 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

It was not Labour that caused a worldwide financial crisis. It was Labour that helped ensure it didn't turn into a depression similar to the thirties. The Tories wanted lighter regulation, the Libdems constantly wanted higher public spending and the SNP were lauding the RBS takeover strategy. No serious economist believes Labour caused it, so excuse me if I call out this lie everytimr a Tory, Libdem or Nat repeats it.

It was successive (dare I say it) neoliberal market reforming governments what done it - allowing the banks to become far too big for the host economy.

Merging over the counter and casino style banking in a way just not done pre Thatcher, carried on by "New" Labour. That was the point of ditching clause 4 and adopting the "New" name - market liberalisation and a profound belief in the market shaping the economy , rather than it being centrally pre planned 

You cant compartmentalise the argument to blame "banks", without considering the previous decade of Labour government and Thatchers market reforms on the banking sector.  Which pushed financial services as a % of national output to levels where if there was a downturn, we were goosed and badly so.

The point is time and time again "The Iron Chancellor" Gordon Brown (dont hear that much these days) said "No more Boom and Bust".

An unfortunate catchphrase for a politician if ever there was one!

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

It was not Labour that caused a worldwide financial crisis. It was Labour that helped ensure it didn't turn into a depression similar to the thirties. The Tories wanted lighter regulation, the Libdems constantly wanted higher public spending and the SNP were lauding the RBS takeover strategy. No serious economist believes Labour caused it, so excuse me if I call out this lie everytimr a Tory, Libdem or Nat repeats it.

You state it wasn't Labour's fault but they are one of the past UK governments that helped to cause the problem but at the same time you seem to be partly blaming the SNP for the RBS takeover. Forget the name RBS it has been a UK bank for years.

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