Robert Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Macdonald is a good keeper. This vendetta is toxic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 There’s no vendetta, just a growing realisation MacDonald is a poor keeper. -6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl1869 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Zorro said: There’s no vendetta, just a growing realisation MacDonald is a poor keeper. Was he a poor keeper when he was our best player for two seasons and basically kept us out the automatic relegation place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Darryl1869 said: Was he a poor keeper when he was our best player for two seasons and basically kept us out the automatic relegation place? Did he really? Has it ever crossed your mind, we might not have finished as far down the table in the first place, with a better keeper in place? Edited December 31, 2017 by Zorro -6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 To infinity and beyond! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bbk said: To infinity and beyond! I love your persistence @Bbk. Told us innumerable times you’re finished discussing this, admitted more times than I can imagine that you know nothing about goalkeeping, but you’re still here screaming from the rooftops that Jamie is god. Well played fella. -4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1869 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Is Macdonald a decent keeper? Yes. Could we get better? Probably. A goalie that is decent shot stopper and commands his area, isn't that hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 minute ago, jam1869 said: Is Macdonald a decent keeper? Yes. Could we get better? Probably. A goalie that is decent shot stopper and commands his area, isn't that hard to find. I think it probably is hard to get a shot stopper and a goalie decent at crosses. Last time we had Bell we had Jakkola who was a giant keeper. Both our goalies are shot stoppers, 183 and 185cm tall, so neither are gonna be "commanding" at cross balls - they're no big enough. I feel for McDonald today though,nothing worse than being a former Jambo that chucked the ball into the net at Easter Road - he'll no forget yesterday in a hurry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1869 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, RAG said: I think it probably is hard to get a shot stopper and a goalie decent at crosses. Last time we had Bell we had Jakkola who was a giant keeper. Both our goalies are shot stoppers, 183 and 185cm tall, so neither are gonna be "commanding" at cross balls - they're no big enough. I feel for McDonald today though,nothing worse than being a former Jambo that chucked the ball into the net at Easter Road - he'll no forget yesterday in a hurry! While being tall may be an advantage, surely being able to stretch your arms, gives the keeper the advantage regardless of height? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhamkillieken Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, jam1869 said: While being tall may be an advantage, surely being able to stretch your arms, gives the keeper the advantage regardless of height? Not as much as you would think. The goalie can’t use his arms to help jump like the attacker as he needs to keep them above his head. The attacker will also normally have a bit of a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Don't understand the Cammy Bell situation. One development team match in four months is hardly preparation for first team. Never thought there was much between the two keepers and you have to cut the man in possession some slack. As has been said all players have faults and make mistakes and GK's are most prominent. I think Jamie has had his slack and another bad mistake and it might be time for a change. That said you wouldn't expect SC to say that publicly and as I pointed out at the start Bell's preparation hasn't been ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Zorro said: I love your persistence @Bbk. Told us innumerable times you’re finished discussing this, admitted more times than I can imagine that you know nothing about goalkeeping, but you’re still here screaming from the rooftops that Jamie is god. Well played fella. I know I'm actually quite disappointed in myself for being sucked back into this debate but I don't think he is god and I also don't agree with your comments that he is incompetent or as you also said a liability.I have conceded many times that I respect your opinion and accept it is sometimes not the same as mine can you say the same about myself and other posters who also disagree with you. I have also said that I trust Steve Clarke's judgement in this player issue and whatever he decides to do in the future will meet with my full approval and support can you? Let's hope the new year will bring a greater understanding and respect for all of us on this forum that what we say is purely our opinion and that is what the true basis of a discussion forum should be .Once again can I wish you a very happy new year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, jam1869 said: While being tall may be an advantage, surely being able to stretch your arms, gives the keeper the advantage regardless of height? Wingspan. Important in a goalie. There's a lad at Aberdeen reserves I like the look of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Technically Jamie's long ball up the park in the lead up to Kris Boyds goal yesterday could be classed as an assist? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonp Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Bear in mind we were lucky to win v Motherwell at Rugby Park.....and if it hadnt been for Jamies' 3 world class stops we would be three points less than now.....so it was a howler at Easter Rd but he has kept us in many a match over the last couple of seasons and played a significant role in keeping us up last season and where we now are this season. During the Lee Clark and LMcC eras there is no blame that could be attached to goalkeeping as to where we were at then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Young Archie Mair at Aberdeen is a great keeper . Will not dislodge Lewis in the short term so why not try for. Him . After all we only have two. Competent keepers . Third one to slag will take the pressure of of Jaimie -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl1869 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 But remember, we all know nothing about football and Zorro does! He should be the only one who can post, we will merely listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) At the end of the day we are all entitled to our opinions, however, it would seem that the vast majority of opinions on here is that McDonald, for the time being, should keep the number 1 shirt! Edited January 1, 2018 by Charlie spelling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Darryl1869 said: But remember, we all know nothing about football and Zorro does! He should be the only one who can post, we will merely listen! Agreed. Sorry @Robert, but until Zorro endorses the credentials of Archie Mair I'll not be satisfied. Wouldn't require much creative headline writing from newspaper's if young Archie has a bad game for us though... Edited January 1, 2018 by Bullitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Bye jings this naughty step is beginning to get a bit crowded with posters who are joining the majority! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie1970 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 A goalkeeper makes a mistake, he gets crucified. An outfield player makes a mistake, nothing said. If there is going to be so much analysis on our goalkeeper then surely there should be the same amount of analysis on the rest of our team. If they get the same treatment as Jamie, we'll be looking for an entirely new team this month. The WHOLE team are performing well just now and we are enjoying the ride. I'll trust SC on his choice of goalkeeper and stand by the player chosen as his number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilly Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Scott Bain has signed for hibs so he is out the running I’m sure Jamie McDonald can work on his weaknesses he is still a good goalkeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 21 hours ago, Bbk said: I know I'm actually quite disappointed in myself for being sucked back into this debate but I don't think he is god and I also don't agree with your comments that he is incompetent or as you also said a liability.I have conceded many times that I respect your opinion and accept it is sometimes not the same as mine can you say the same about myself and other posters who also disagree with you. I have also said that I trust Steve Clarke's judgement in this player issue and whatever he decides to do in the future will meet with my full approval and support can you? Let's hope the new year will bring a greater understanding and respect for all of us on this forum that what we say is purely our opinion and that is what the true basis of a discussion forum should be .Once again can I wish you a very happy new year! Happy new year buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 17 hours ago, gordonp said: Bear in mind we were lucky to win v Motherwell at Rugby Park.....and if it hadnt been for Jamies' 3 world class stops we would be three points less than now.....so it was a howler at Easter Rd but he has kept us in many a match over the last couple of seasons and played a significant role in keeping us up last season and where we now are this season. During the Lee Clark and LMcC eras there is no blame that could be attached to goalkeeping as to where we were at then. There wasn’t a save in the Motherwell game that wouldn’t have been saved by every other keeper in the league. If you want to see what a world class save looks like, try Craig Gordon’s in the old firm game. To think some people on here think MacDonald is a better keeper -9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Zorro said: There wasn’t a save in the Motherwell game that wouldn’t have been saved by every other keeper in the league. If you want to see what a world class save looks like, try Craig Gordon’s in the old firm game. To think some people on here think MacDonald is a better keeper Craig Gordon is horrific. You are correct he made several worldly saves against Rangers... However you've excluded the high profile blunders he's made this season alone. A quick browse of a Celtic forum or indeed asking any sensible Celtic fan and they'll tell you he needs replaced as does Lustig and their central defenders. Gordon is FINNISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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