bute-killiefan Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 I didn't realise we had so many supporters who felt so strongly about wanting to sing 'black b******s' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, bute-killiefan said: I didn't realise we had so many supporters who felt so strongly about wanting to sing 'black b******s' I never knew so many fans felt so strongly about being snowflakes. -4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 I've not got wings like a sparrow but if I did I'd certainly s**te over Somerset. Regardless if those below were illegitimate or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmonty3 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Black as in 'filthy' is a well worn word/phrase in these parts but I do think it's dying out because the world is changing and thanks to media/travel etc language is becoming more international. We all should know that singing Ayr are black bastards means they are filthy/unwashed bastards and is nothing to do with skin colour. Being from Kilmarnock I was probably introduced to the word black as in the colour first, to mean very dirty 2nd and then with reference to skin/race a distant 3rd but that was 30 year ago. My son is 9 and would never associate the world black with being dirty. He associates it with race and therefor when he's heard that particular song being sung I've had to explain it to him. He doesn't like it cause it feels wrong to him which is a sign that it's becoming outdated. It will die out of its own volition I'm sure. I've sung it and will maybe sing it again, as I know what it means, but the very fact we are having this debate means it should probably be canned. It's a s**t fitba song anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: I never knew so many fans felt so strongly about being snowflakes. The only people being hysterical/snowflakes about this are people screaming about political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Isle of Wight Exile said: Never heard of Rashid. These days we'd celebrate a player like him as good for the game. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MaaCAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=rashid+sarwar+kilmarnock&source=bl&ots=rNi_5LVZ87&sig=8-9QwYXCN9r3akzbDpSeMoTfS6s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5iMbW5MDYAhXsCsAKHRT7CJoQ6AEILjAE#v=onepage&q=rashid sarwar kilmarnock&f=false "Rashid's going to Mexico" was the chant from the shed back in the day. The story goes when he was in the manager's office signing for Killie the conversation went as follows:- Eddie Morrison: "I need your place of birth Rashid, probably best if you spell it out for me" Rashid Sarwar: "OK boss it's P..A..I..S..L..E..Y" 2 hours ago, Isle of Wight Exile said: Michael Chopra only one that comes to mind. I don't know if it's a historical thing as their ancestors wouldn't have watched football but you think that wouldn't have an influence now. Still very few black Scottish players too. Emmanuel Panther, Anya, Iwelumo and earlier Harper though he was English. Paul Wilson of Celtic (mentioned in your link) was half Indian, and made to suffer for it by Rangers fans in particular. Kevin Harper may have been born in England but he grew up in Possil and sounded like it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman396 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Why is there such a strong support for songs with racist overtones? It is sad to see so many people cannot accept that times have changed and what was once "acceptable" is no longer. -4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, Fankle said: The story goes when he was in the manager's office signing for Killie the conversation went as follows:- Eddie Morrison: "I need your place of birth Rashid, probably best if you spell it out for me" Rashid Sarwar: "OK boss it's P..A..I..S..L..E..Y Brilliant. Bit like on article I linked it said fans singing go home which wasn't too difficult as Paisley isn't very far away and he often done it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 We only stopped calling them The Darkies recently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldkillie Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 If your offended by certain songs that Killie fans sing I would avoid the FB stand on the 20th -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 hours ago, DuncanEwart said: Sorry should have said Jim Fleeting signed him. In January 1990. Interesting I was around then but only 6. Never knew we had a young black Scot back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanEwart Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 He didn't play a lot of games. He had a big reputation as a youth and in Aberdeen reserves, but it never worked out for him there or with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin1869 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Sandman396 said: Why is there such a strong support for songs with racist overtones? It is sad to see so many people cannot accept that times have changed and what was once "acceptable" is no longer. Maybe they can have some blue hats made with "Make Chants Great Again" on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan76 Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, pmonty3 said: Black as in 'filthy' is a well worn word/phrase in these parts but I do think it's dying out because the world is changing and thanks to media/travel etc language is becoming more international. We all should know that singing Ayr are black bastards means they are filthy/unwashed bastards and is nothing to do with skin colour. Being from Kilmarnock I was probably introduced to the word black as in the colour first, to mean very dirty 2nd and then with reference to skin/race a distant 3rd but that was 30 year ago. My son is 9 and would never associate the world black with being dirty. He associates it with race and therefor when he's heard that particular song being sung I've had to explain it to him. He doesn't like it cause it feels wrong to him which is a sign that it's becoming outdated. It will die out of its own volition I'm sure. I've sung it and will maybe sing it again, as I know what it means, but the very fact we are having this debate means it should probably be canned. It's a s**t fitba song anyway. This is exactly what i was getting at, kids nowadays find the word "black" as nothing to do with cleanliness and only race. Times have changed and we cannot go on singing a song referencing black b******s. -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 File this under worst thread ever -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Brianstorm said: Wonder what Harley our new Australian fan thinks about it Is he an Aboriginal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aumgn Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 When I first started uni was out on a field trip and my pal did something manky and I said "gadz ya black bastard" and got the most filthy looks I've ever had from the Glasgow Uni contingent present and spent some time explaining how I wasnae a race hater. This song is patently not racist and has no intent whatsoever. I suppose if you song it and someone has a go just explain the context. I'd guess the song will probably die out, it's not that long ago that most folk referred to Ayr fans as "the darkies" after all. More problematic is the couple of times I heard the word "fenian" and "taig" directed at Hibs last weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan76 Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 40 minutes ago, Gazza said: File this under worst thread ever is it really? It does show that more than a third of the people who voted here to believe that these lyrics are not acceptable -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 I've enjoyed the chat about ethnic Scottish players. If that's the correct term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleycouley93 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Glad we have an outcome and the election brought forward from the easily offended has shown most people think it show be sung . -6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Isle of Wight Exile said: I've enjoyed the chat about ethnic Scottish players. If that's the correct term? Ethnic Scottish players means they have Scots ancestry. Scottish players from ethnic minorities would be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Wasn't sure how to word it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghee1869 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Nope nothing wrong with the song. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug2930 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 hours ago, aumgn said: When I first started uni was out on a field trip and my pal did something manky and I said "gadz ya black bastard" and got the most filthy looks I've ever had from the Glasgow Uni contingent present Well if the Glasgow Uni contingent disapprove of the phrase then thats all the reason I need for me to vote No in this poll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garye Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 I've got mixed feelings about this and can see both points of view. However, despite my natural tendency to stick up for all things "linguistically Ayrshire", I really don't think that this is something that is easily explained away to the wider world as a peculiar localism. In short, I've got a horrible feeling that this song will really bring the club some serious embarrassment at some point. -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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