Squirrelhumper Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: They wouldn't need to be fitted in, the current stands don't hold nine thousand with seats missing, new box etc. There were hundreds of individual seats empty you don't notice in the photos or sitting in your section. Are you accusing BB and the rest of the Board and CEO of fraud? is that not what we did against Ayr? -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 If we want to look good on telly and exaggerate our potential, we could always go down this route! -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross1987 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Ratih Rovers used to put wee wooden cut outs on there empty seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ross1987 said: Ratih Rovers used to put wee wooden cut outs on there empty seats. If it was in their old stand the cut outs probably complained about the lack of comfort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 17 hours ago, harley said: Fleeting invited a group of supporters about 12 if I remember right to sit in 2 mockups of different seats. One for the stadium we have now & another for 4 or 5K less. Baw bags plumped for the kiddies seats. The stadium plan at Scot Ellis was a non starter as there was no way they would be given permission. tbf, if they were used to sitting on the old wooden seats, then any plastic one would be a step up. although I still miss the wee stick on cushion that was put on season ticket seats in later years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 The Arsenal racist and sexist mural was put up to hide the construction work at Highbury. The 'P.W. Botha' stand held thousands of 'supporters' but no ethic minorities or women were allowed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: is that not what we did against Ayr? What did we do against Ayr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, ross1987 said: Ratih Rovers used to put wee wooden cut outs on there empty seats. Gary Locke did the same with our back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefife Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 19 hours ago, harley said: Fleeting invited a group of supporters about 12 if I remember right to sit in 2 mockups of different seats. One for the stadium we have now & another for 4 or 5K less. Baw bags plumped for the kiddies seats. The stadium plan at Scot Ellis was a non starter as there was no way they would be given permission. The new stands at Rugby Park were possibly the last built at a senior ground under the old building regulations for football stadiums. This is the reason we were able to cram in so many seats in the new stands with so little legroom. Stadiums built/redeveloped after that date were required to increase the space between rows considerably. This is why at Easter Road and Tynecastle etc you can move out your seat and almost walk out the row without people standing up depending on size etc. Much safer in the event of evacuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanEwart Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 15/03/2018 at 6:37 PM, killie1961 said: The reason Bobby Fleeting built 18,000 stadium because he got a £2.5 million grant from government and wanted to maximise income hence the terrible leg room in East Stand I remember Jimmy Knapp presenting a cheque from the Football Trust or some such organisation at half time in a game sometime in the mid-nineties. The place went mental. One of the proudest moments I've had as a Killie fan. I seem to remember Bobby Fleeting saying the legroom issue in the East stand would be addressed after everyone complained. A bit of snake oil there, as of course nothing was done (or could be done) but he claimed it was now better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, DuncanEwart said: I remember Jimmy Knapp presenting a cheque from the Football Trust or some such organisation at half time in a game sometime in the mid-nineties. The place went mental. One of the proudest moments I've had as a Killie fan. I seem to remember Bobby Fleeting saying the legroom issue in the East stand would be addressed after everyone complained. A bit of snake oil there, as of course nothing was done (or could be done) but he claimed it was now better. Wasn't it addressed by tilting the seat backs, so as you sat like a half shut knife, it would pull your knees away from the seat in front.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanEwart Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 If you say so, @CB. I don't remember ever hearing any explanation at the time and this is certainly the first time I've heard this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) All of this is mainly true and I've bored for Scotland on the subject over the years. The East Stand has always had a problem which is the proximity of the Dundonald Road back gardens. That's why the stand doesn't run the full length of the pitch, and has the weird cutaway section, for example. In order to squeeze in as many seats as possible, the seat tread - the distance from front to back in each row, if you like - is just 600mm. The Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds Act (the Green Guide) recommended post-Hillsborough that "the minimum area allotted to each seated person should be 460 mm wide and 610 mm deep; but for comfort these measurements should be 550 mm and 760 mm respectively". The club's solution was to angle the seat backs forward so, as CB says, the sitter is like a partially closed penknife. Despite having been an East Stand privileged STH, I always sit in the FB now. You can blame Fleeting for the folly of the East Stand but the architects should have realized that the brief of trying to squeeze in 5,000 seats was practically impossible. Edited March 17, 2018 by skygod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Was it true that the homeowner in Dundonald Road agreed to sell the club some of their garden to enable building the East Stand the full length of the pitch, but it happened too late and the work had started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Our ground is far from perfect and mistakes were made in its size and seats etc.. ... But after visiting other Scottish stadium far have ours than have a home ground like that at Motherwell , Hamilton , Dundee etc and even though St J ground may look ideal on paper its one of the soulless grounds for atmosphere .. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdee Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yep. If you look at the back of the seats you will see an adapter plate was fitted to move it forward to give the person behind more knee room. But pretty uncomfortable to sit in. Fb for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boabkfc19 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Ffs if there was less seats in East atmosphere wouldn't be as good then yous all would moan there's not enough body's in the east. Ooft. Some people. Come back with real f**kin problems.. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loudoun Killie Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Boabkfc19 said: Ffs if there was less seats in East atmosphere wouldn't be as good then yous all would moan there's not enough body's in the east. Ooft. Some people. Come back with real f**kin problems.. Exactly! Well said..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 18 hours ago, Mclean07 said: What did we do against Ayr? Said we issued 600 comps/hospitality etc that weren't included in crowd. Ayr appealed to SFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieBus Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Said we issued 600 comps/hospitality etc that weren't included in crowd. Ayr appealed to SFA Did they win the appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLANCY2KTID Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Said we issued 600 comps/hospitality etc that weren't included in crowd. Ayr appealed to SFA Whinging wee bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfaefinick Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 Percent on the crowd overnight with Summer Football ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Scouser2 said: Our ground is far from perfect and mistakes were made in its size and seats etc.. ... But after visiting other Scottish stadium far have ours than have a home ground like that at Motherwell , Hamilton , Dundee etc and even though St J ground may look ideal on paper its one of the soulless grounds for atmosphere .. Aye at the time it was seen as an amazing development. Remembering back to the 80s & early 90s there was an almost weekly debate about the state of football grounds that fans were having to endure. Killie were seen as groundbreaking with their ambitions to redevelop the stadium. As mentioned on the other thread when Bobby Fleeting paid for the fans to get into the shelter of the stand at Dens it was not only a great gesture but also as a PR stunt it helped to highlight the problems with our stadiums. I also seem to recall him addressing drenched Rangers fans in the Rugby road terracing with a megaphone saying the next time they came they would be undercover in a new stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Said we issued 600 comps/hospitality etc that weren't included in crowd. Ayr appealed to SFA Really? Didn't know that. Did they win? -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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