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Saturdays game perfect for a boycott? Meaningless game so wont impact the players and live on TV so will generate publicity and those worried about not seeing game will still be able to watch.

Tony's going to hate me for this but I agree with the sentiment of the OP. When it is abundantly clear that all we are required for is financial input, or at least they think that is all we are required for, then it narrows down the options for addressing the problem. Do I want to starve the club of cash? - No of course not, but you can't starve them of what they don't actually have and are not actually entitled to in any way or form. Every one of us is a potential customer/supporter of the club, if you are not happy with the product then its up to them to sell you it. Will the club suffer if I pool my season ticket money with other fans just now instead of handing them the cash? - No, not if they do the right thing and act swiftly to rectify a situation which has been systematically destroying the foundations of the club and setting us back years in terms of infrastructure and support. If they don't want to do that you are as well throwing your cash into a big black hole...I'd rather someone I could trust was in charge of that hole, not someone who has a track record of putting themselves and their own financial well being well and truly in front of the clubs. It's a tough decision for most Killie fans but history shows us that sometimes you have to take a step backwards or to the side to make any forward progress in the long term. Doing nothing is not really an option, certainly not if we want things to ever turn the corner and put us on an upward spiral again, are we really going to wait until we hit rock bottom again before doing anything about it? I would like to have seen the KFCSA take a lead here, purely in terms of showing a unified front, but to be fair I don't think it makes that much difference, anyone trustworthy that can set up an escrow account is all that is needed...I would do it myself but I have already blotted my copybook in terms of rocking the boat in some fans eyes so it would be better to be someone else that has not been at the forefront of anything else yet. A bit like the EGM thing which I think is a great move and hats off to Higgy for having the balls to stick his head above the parapet. So there it is...I will say right here and now that if someone goes ahead and does this I will not only pledge to buy a full price adult season ticket (with no discounts) when Michael Johnston is removed permanently from the board...I will purchase two...does that pitch me somewhere between what the OP and Tonzer are saying?

I think there needs to be a more visual display of our displeasure of the board rather than sounding off here. We need protests outside the ground and park hotel. Things like that get your picture in the papers and talked about in the press. Banners inside the ground with "MJ OUT" et. We need to show our anger not just talk about it

Agree, and that is why we have never moved on. I am not trying to score points, rather I am trying to ascertain what you want to happen. I have been involved in trying positivity with MJ, it doesn't work, the guy is a control freak, his way or the highway. So, only alternative is to fight dirty like him. The KFCSA nowadays don't want to upset the applecart and others have tried tirelessly but the folder in MJ's office is bulging at the seams. I guarantee nobody will step up to the plate, but at least SH is doing something very positive, I hope it is fruitful, but that really depends on one individual, BB. The fans could help him make the right decision, but we can talk a good game but that's where it ends unfortunately.

We didn't get a penalty but Ieave conspiracy theories to the hoopy supporters.

Presumably it would be much easier if someone set up an 'Indiegogo' funder whereby the Trust only get the funds if/when a certain financial target is met. If it isn't met, then all funds will be returned to the person whom has paid. Come up with a few simple, straightforward aims/goals that people can rally around, such as M. Johnston being removed from the board, and being replaced by a Trust nominee. It's a pretty simple idea, I'd be willing to lodge £300+ into such a fund, that the club get if/when certain criteria are met, in exchange for an adult season ticket. I'd be willing to pay any fees that the funder would incur as well. If it doesn't work out and the fund doesn't reach it's target (£200k?), folk simply get their money back. It's transparent, above board and east to administer. No fees/penalties involved if it doesn't work either.

While I agree that we have been poor all season we are still a level above our opposition. iI can't remember the last time playing Hibs or Falkirk scared me. The play off set up was designed to favour us (or any other SPL team). If we can't win over two legs then it is because we deserve to go down, much like a dreadful Hibs team two years ago. All we need to do is man up to the challenge.

May be a bit boring to sit on the fence – but that’s where I am. I agree that there is a need for ‘something’ that makes the fans feelings clear and starts to put more pressure on the board. I’d be happy to participate in protests to that extent. The difficulty for me is that a protest is only half a response. It needs to have a strong alternative to have any impact, to grab people’s attention and to really gain support. We are about to have 2 huge playoff games which will bring in big crowds and generate a lot of excitement. Any protests now would be buried in all that. Then we are hitting the close season where no-one in the press will care one way or another. I think our way out of this is boring, it’s financial and it’s probably involving a lot of legal comings and goings. I feel and respect the need for some passion and some publicity, but it’s pointless without an end game. To be more controversial, I actually agree with Tonzer to an extent about NAPM. No it wasn’t a movement, but there were plenty of people who felt very strongly it was the way to go (which I do respect) and very vocally tried to convince others of the same. My sense, from speaking to other fans, is that there was a confrontational aspect to that which was off-putting to some and led to a wee split in the support. Anything we do has to be clinical, it has to be smart and we have to have a united front.

Yes and so should KFCSA express their support even although they have no shares to provide.

Massive thanks to John Gall and Browning the Bakers for their generous donation of Kilmarnock Pies for the Killie Trust Comedy Night. John has supported the Trust on many occasions and is always willing to support us - with no questions asked. If you fancy a Kilmarnock Pie, we have a few tickets still left for Friday night - expecting 200 which is a fantastic effort!

Who Spaline? Spaline sign Killie.

Totally agreed, we have gone back 6 years, if the association isn't going to stand up for the supporters, then there is no need for the organisation. The only thing in the constitution is the objects which are "To promote the support of Kilmarnock Football Club", how we go about that is up to the members. So if we want to promote withholding funds until suitable change is obtained, then that is up to us. Let him take us to court, that would go down well in the newspapers. By taking action you are still promoting the support of the club as you are trying to effect the required change that will increase the paying customers and increase outside sponsorship revenue that will not be there if we continue down the same avenue. What do our legal representatives make of it, and why? Trojan 76, quite agree, needs to be very vocal and visible, the last home game should be where it is done, not the playoff game.

Agreed. Fed up hearing paranoid nonsense from our fans. If we go down it's cos we've been utter pish. Nothing else.

In the last 12 months we have employed a General Manager and a Head of Finance, surely if these are the correct appointments MJ's involvement is not required if we then use another legal firm for contracts etc.

Maybe it's time the Supporters Clubs came out the KFCSA then and started afresh? The one we've got just now don't seem to want to even rock the boat with the club, even question them. Why not lobby member clubs? If need be change the wording of the constitution, i hear it's a popular tactic down RP way...

If we always do as we've always done, we'll always get what we've always got........... Rather than demean people for holding a different view than you, why don't you try to engage in an 'argument' in the truest sense of the word and work for consensus ? A split support will never achieve anything - to achieve you will need to split the board and to do that you will need to sow them that there is a better way and a brighter future if & when MJ goes, not just the same as it was last season if we don't withheld to make it worse. People have actively withheld support, patronage and funds year on year for the last decade and it has brought us no closer to our desired outcome. The tipping point was when the board saw and heard at the AGM that it wasn't just 'Laptop Loonies' who wanted MJ out but rational fans with the means to make and influence investment on a grander scale than just a few season books. We can argue all night about the rights and wrongs of that but it's the reality of the situation. We probably have a fairly small window in which to work to apply pressure in a different way before we leave the club with not time or money to plan for next season and the value of what we can bring to the business begins to diminish. I've grown very tired of the blinkered view, the shout loudest to be heard / pointy fingered posts and the personal jibes from those who see no way but their own as correct, so good luck with your efforts. I'll leave you chaps to your own devices.

Club again offering ST holders to bring a friend for £10! I brought a friend to the Thistle game and he might no longer be a friend. Web site says, expecting a large turnout on the day. Please come along early to avoid long queues and delayed entry into the stadium.

Higgy I've got andys mobile no if u still need it

Some real positivity from you there, have a go at those who took a stance you don't agree with and blame them for the state the club is currently in. I always thought you seemed such a sensible guy but that is probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen you come out with. There was no NAPM movement, there is no NAPM movement, it was a just a convenient label to lambast those who had had enough and stopped going to games. There are thousands of people who have been driven away from the football for a host of reasons, but the shoddy way our club has been run and the way the fans have been treated with contempt by Michael Johnston while he feathers his own nest are right up there with the most important ones. You can't put the blame for the state of the club at the feet of those who no longer go, you have to ask yourself why they no longer go. They don't owe the club anything, there is no law which says they have to invest money in something which they have no faith in and think is damaging the club. Collecting season ticket money and telling the club that they will get it when MJ goes is not starving them of cash, that's Johnston speak right there, it is an offer to give them the cash provided that they stop ignoring the fans demands and start running the club properly. It is a legitimate bargaining tool, give us what we want and things carry on as normal. Don't give us what we want and on their on head be it. You are saying that we should continue blindly giving them cash and hope that they will miraculously make the changes required. Well that's not exactly worked up to this point has it? If Billy Bowie does the right thing then the money will be with the club before the season starts and no one will have to stop going at all. Of course it will be difficult to get people to come back, again, who's mainly to blame for losing them in the first place!

Count me out. If you want to starve the club of funds & hurt it then I want nothing to do with it. If you want to encourage people not to renew they will find something else to do with their Saturdays and their cash. As any business will confirm, the hardest and most costly customer to bring back is a lapsed one. It is something in the magnitude of 8 times easier to find a new customer than it is to renew a lapsed one. Do not underestimate the long term damage that the NAPM movement has done to the club or how difficult it will be to bring those fans back. Their Saturdays are filled financially and by family commitments. Why don't we try positivity for a change rather than the destructive negativity that has achieved the square root of nothing thus far?

That's us now at 150 shareholders, will update total shares later. Great response!

Nobody can deny that we have endured three years of utter pishness - last day escape from play-off, second last day escape, play-off... There hasn't even been a half-decent cup run. This isn't the result of bad luck but gross mismanagement. We were all gutted at missing out on Top Six because of a goal by Rory Boulding, of all people, and his slant on freedom of speech had become irritating, but there was no compelling reason to sack Shiels. That has set in train a sequence of events which has resulted in three seasons of purgatory with no obvious signs of relief. Football fans are very resilient and will react positively to even the smallest signs of hope. Where are the signs of hope at RP? Even if we survive, another relegation scrap beckons. Lee Clark might stay and might bring in some English journeymen and promising loanees but where is the long-term strategy? We have a board which is more concerned in arguing over the intellectual property rights for pies FFS! Jim Mann came in and talked a good game which proved to be just that - all talk. He saw Gary Locke as a suitable supremo to oversee the club's top to bottom coaching philosophy, which was the point at which he should have been quietly bundled out of the back door. There is an ongoing stalemate between shareholders and board which threatens to wound the club even more and to resolve nothing. We hear of investors waiting in the wings but these are mythical figures shrouded in secrecy. Do they exist? If they exist, why don't they show their faces? Faint-heart never won fair lady, as they say. Part of me desperately hopes that we come through the play-off unscathed. Part of me really couldn't care less. The first part is instinctive; the second part is logical. Because where there is no hope, there is nothing really to fight for.

Can the rose tinted glasses wearers please wake up relegation will be a disaster and getting all misty eyed about our yesteryears and trips to exotic capielow and other dumps will not help!relegation will not get rid of mj overnight but it could cause lots of good people to lose there jobs and mostly from the non playing side

Ayr would no doubt bring a bigger support than most for a derby. St Mirren and Morton I suspect would bring a support substantially bigge than ICT, Accies, County, St Johnstone and maybe Dundee and Motherwell. Winning sides from Hibs and United would attract a bigger away following. The biggest away supports we'd miss would be the OF, Aberdeen and maybe Hearts. As said above Ayr would potentially cancel one of those out. What about the nature of the football fan. We are down to the bare bones of the hard core support at the moment. Many others at the moment are staying away because they disagree with the way the club is run etc. There will also be a number of fans staying away just because it's crap. If we found a winning formula could these be enticed back and boost home gates.

If we go down and survive albeit with massive cuts, could we survive in the championship, if it lined up like this: Dundee United - Tough Ayr United - Our big rivals and no easy 3 pts in any game Morton - Hard place to go no easy 3pts here either QoS - Could be a difficult team to face, no easy 3pts either Hibs/Falkirk - See United St Mirren - Would be a year ahead of us in terms of adapting, again tough Raith - Decent side too Dumbarton - The only team we may have a chance against looking at this point in time Dunfermline - Given the history(AJ), again a toughie Looking at this point in time, we would do well to survive in our first season down IMO

Folks we need direct action for regime change at the club. This weekend, what should have been our last home game of the season we will be live in TV, as will the two play off games. This will give us the chance to show a visual and vocal demonstration against the way the club is being run. Protests outside the ground and Park Hotel before and after the game along with banners and vocal chanting throughout it, broadcast to the whole country is what we need to do. We need to get our message out that we will not stand for this anymore. Will it happen? I doubt it, the majority of the support for the team seem to apathetic to the situation and are happy just to complain to friends and work mates. This season has been diabolical. The game against thistle was as bad as I can remember. We need direct action, we need change. Please fight for our club, don't just talk about it