Prahakillie Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 I can understand they have problems with more recent immigrants when they still hate the ones that arrived almost 200 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Scotland as an independent country could send these cretins into an early grave. Sadly I dont think even a 60 - 70% popular vote for independence will make these people disappear. Ten years into an independent Scotland they would still be marching up and down waving union flags demanding we reinstate the union. Look at the US. The slave owners got their arses well and truly kicked a hundred and fifty years ago but their statues are still there and the bigots still parade waving Confederate flags. Edited June 18, 2020 by gdevoy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Prahakillie said: I can understand they have problems with more recent immigrants when they still hate the ones that arrived almost 200 years ago. The really dont like furriners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Sadly I dont think even a 60 - 70% popular vote for independence will make these people disappear. Ten years into an independent Scotland they would still be marching up and down waving union flags demanding we reinstate the union. Look at the US. The slave owners got their arses well and truly kicked a hundred and fifty years ago but their statues are still there and the bigots still parade waving Confederate flags. Sadly, I think you're right. We've never faced up to the disease of sectarianism and independence would probably make it worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 How many 'Defence Leagues' are there now? Must the new loyalist gang name instead of Toi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, gdevoy said: The really dont like furriners. Or the majority of citizens From their own country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 And what happened to the "Everywhere Anywhere Everyone Anyone" campaign? Must be the diverse list of folk they don't like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie71 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Sadly I dont think even a 60 - 70% popular vote for independence will make these people disappear. Ten years into an independent Scotland they would still be marching up and down waving union flags demanding we reinstate the union. Look at the US. The slave owners got their arses well and truly kicked a hundred and fifty years ago but their statues are still there and the bigots still parade waving Confederate flags. Certainly not an argument against Independence though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Killie71 said: Certainly not an argument against Independence though. Nope. I just didn't want people feeling we could just "vote" this problem away. It may (or may not) make it easier to confront racial superiority issues with our own government. The current Westminster administration is rather conflicted over this. They know it "looks good" to support BLM but casting an unflattering historical spotlight on "heroes of the empire" is not where they want to go. It may (or may not) be easier for a new independent Scottish government to distance itself from the British Empire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 The papers and radio/ TV still being super careful to present them as some tiny, minority interest political group. You only need to look at one photograph to see that it is just the usual SevCo support. You only need to look at one video clip to hear that it is "fenian" this "fenian" that. What would be wrong with someone having the balls to say that this mob are SevCo fans behavig the exact same way that they are allowed to do week in week out all over Scotland with virtual impunity?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 The problem of sectarianism in the UK was generally created by the british empire general Knox. The empire noticed that the north and south of ireland were getting quite close, no issues between the largely protestant north and catholic south. This gave them the fear so General Knox came up with the idea of the Orange Order, and to make doubly sure this embedded in society and divided the nation down religious lines , they started it up on the west of Scotland too where a large number of Irish immigrants were settling. It's a modern thing deliberately designed to speed hatred, the OO is or was an organisation set up and pushed towards unionism and agreed of anything not of London elite rule. It masquerades as an order to promote protestant values, but allows and never distances itself from terrorism, sectarian violence and disorder. It needs banned, as does the knights if St Columba, on the other side. Rid the nation of catholic schools and educate the population in the true history of these orders and their origins. This MAY slowly rid our nation of this vile british creation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepies Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Brain dead but staunch .They would love nothing better than to bring the troubles of Northern Ireland to our streets .Any one who disagrees with them is a republican fienan nationalist .They must be the most racist people in the country .Scotlands shame and has been for all my life.Can't see it changing wether we are independent or not ,they will still be there staunch as feck and loud and proud .Bunch of inbred ham shanks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Killiepies said: Brain dead but staunch .They would love nothing better than to bring the troubles of Northern Ireland to our streets .Any one who disagrees with them is a republican fienan nationalist .They must be the most racist people in the country .Scotlands shame and has been for all my life.Can't see it changing wether we are independent or not ,they will still be there staunch as feck and loud and proud .Bunch of inbred ham shanks They are indeed a shower of bigots joth educated and otherwise. Its bred into them from a young age. As I said in my post above and as long as we are in the union this will NOT be tackled effectively. The OO and opposite orders must be outlawed, or at the very least their marches and bands be outlawed. The origins of these orders MUST be taught and the young educated thay they were a tool created and used by the empire to control the masses and ensure continued obedience to the state through misinformation and sectarian hatred. The law on sectarianism and hate speech just be changed to eradicate this, in such a way that it almost targets these moronic f**ks, and if need be impinge directly upon their ability to have a sporting team which also exists and feeds this pariah. But this can only properly happen when were independent, as it will prevent the lifeline of "we will just do what london says as its the highest government " push being used. Many years ago when I was bursting for a pee I made the mistake of running into the Delta in Irvine, on my way back out I heard four guys sitting a a table discussing why Catholics shouldn't have the vote.... one particularly moronic wingnut suggested it was because...... they were a different species. Three other wingnust then agreed and finished with a GSTQ and FTP!! These clown are allowed to breed!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Quite possible my fave proclaimers song (and there's a few!) Sums it up for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: They are indeed a shower of bigots joth educated and otherwise. Its bred into them from a young age. As I said in my post above and as long as we are in the union this will NOT be tackled effectively. The OO and opposite orders must be outlawed, or at the very least their marches and bands be outlawed. The origins of these orders MUST be taught and the young educated thay they were a tool created and used by the empire to control the masses and ensure continued obedience to the state through misinformation and sectarian hatred. The law on sectarianism and hate speech just be changed to eradicate this, in such a way that it almost targets these moronic f**ks, and if need be impinge directly upon their ability to have a sporting team which also exists and feeds this pariah. But this can only properly happen when were independent, as it will prevent the lifeline of "we will just do what london says as its the highest government " push being used. Many years ago when I was bursting for a pee I made the mistake of running into the Delta in Irvine, on my way back out I heard four guys sitting a a table discussing why Catholics shouldn't have the vote.... one particularly moronic wingnut suggested it was because...... they were a different species. Three other wingnust then agreed and finished with a GSTQ and FTP!! These clown are allowed to breed!!! I agree that the issue is more likely to be dealt with seriously as a problem in a future independent Scotland. Where I disagree with you Beaker is in the ease with which you imply the problem can be resolved through legislation. Look at how much success the Holyrood government has had already with their "Offensive Behaviour at Football Act" ... none. It will take years and probably generations to resolve some of the fallout from the "White Supremacy" stoked up during the Days of Empire. And my perception is that the current Tory Government's natural inclination is to stoke it up some more in order to deflect from the economic disruption Brexit is ushering in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: The law on sectarianism and hate speech just be changed to eradicate this.....But this can only properly happen when were independent, as it will prevent the lifeline of "we will just do what london says as its the highest government " push being used. What's to stop the Scottish government from passing such laws now? Wouldn't it be similar to the law they passed to prohibit offensive behaviour at football matches, now repealed? Edited June 18, 2020 by skygod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, skygod said: What's to stop the Scottish government from passing such laws now? Wouldn't it be similar to the law they passed to prohibit offensive behaviour at football matches, now repealed? Good question , the Scottish government should introduce such a paper and shame any party that stands against it . The Offensive Behaviour legislation was allegedly duplicating already existing powers was it not , hence its repeal ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Bonbon19 said: Good question , the Scottish government should introduce such a paper and shame any party that stands against it . The Offensive Behaviour legislation was allegedly duplicating already existing powers was it not , hence its repeal ? The only flaw in your cunning plan is that rather than shame these parties it would actually strengthen their position with the brain dead bigots who make up a significant percentage of their vote. Unfortunately even bigots get to vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Zorro said: The only flaw in your cunning plan is that rather than shame these parties it would actually strengthen their position with the brain dead bigots who make up a significant percentage of their vote. Unfortunately even bigots get to vote. Exactly like the "they're coming for our guns" horses**t you hear from those opposed to any gun control in the US! They're taking our marches away will be the shout followed by No surrender. Legislation without the education, and without the removal of the UK cloud which they shelter under will not have a big enough impact. Also the two arseholea who fought the legislation are Labour unionists, one who is a bigoted critic fan and the other is a bigoted hun. Until this lot have their apron strings cut from their London masters they will keep fighting anything and everything thats done in Sxorland which differs from London. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, skygod said: Wouldn't it be similar to the law they passed to prohibit offensive behaviour at football matches, now repealed? I t was rightly repealed. Wasn't fit for purpose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Sums it up for me. And me. If you are born here you are Scottish. You dont have to have a particular genetic code or heratage to qualify. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKX16 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Sectarianism is drummed into them at home by their parents at an early age. Many grow up thinking this is the norm. I've seen this in my local community. It just spreads with every generation. Quite sad really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_killie Posted June 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Quite possible my fave proclaimers song (and there's a few!) Sums it up for me. Brilliant song. Would like to sing it in band but couldn't without a tear in my eye. Re Sevco, they should be allowed to join English league. They would quickly find all is not rosy. Was at Old Trafford and they started singing the national anthem and the Utd fans started singing "who the f**king hell are you?" and laughing at them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big sexy Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Quite possible my fave proclaimers song (and there's a few!) Sums it up for me. Cracking tune never heard it before and regarded myself as a bit of a fan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Their leader speaks? https://mobile.twitter.com/TNeenan/status/1273583031891177472 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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