Fletch Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Kanyon said: Results matter and so far Dyer’s have been poor along with some shambolic performance. He has my support going forward but can’t say I’m expecting much from him. Obviously this season could well be a strange one so if we recruit well then who knows. Of course results matter. Since he got the job properly his league record is something like 3 wins, 4 defeats and a draw. He had Celtic twice, Rangers and Aberdeen. Edited June 20, 2020 by Fletch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Fletch said: Of course results matter. Since he got the job properly his league record is something like 3 wins, 4 defeats and a draw. His record isn’t very good so far so he’s got the the chance to change that. It will be important for him and the team that we get off to a good start and get a few wins. Could have done with some league cup games to start with as I doubt there will be any friendlies Edited June 20, 2020 by historyman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 minute ago, historyman said: His record isn’t very good so far so he’s got the the chance to change that. It will be important for him and the team that we get off to a good start and get a few wins. Could have done with some league cup games to start with and I doubt There will be any friendlies I'm not saying it was great, the point I'm getting at was that his time as manager wasn't a shambles or appalling. It was a challenging task for anyone and he definitely came through it having made improvements. Anyway, he made positive changes and people need to get off his case and show him a bit of support into the new season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Fletch said: The "team in 5th thing" is Lee Clark logic. We were in 5th with teams behind us with games in hand and on an increasingly bad run of form. When he took over as caretaker, we were fifth with 23 points from 18 matches. The only team below us with a game in hand was St Johnstone, who had just 15 points from 17 matches. I would say that we were in fifth place on merit. We had lost the two previous matches - Livingston and Ross County, both away, Ross County to a last-minute goal. Before that we were unbeaten in four, one win and three draws. Six points from six matches against teams below us in the table wasn't great. It was better than the five successive defeats which followed though! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pride_of_ayrshire Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) So Dyers record isnt the best. But he's had enough time to prepare during this situation. In the recent interview with Gav on killie tv he seemed ready to do the job asked. With a good pre season and a few more decent signings I believe we will be challengers for Top 4 this season. He started if good with bring McGowan in. Lets hope for more of these quality if signings. Enough said lets back Dyer and look forward to the new season. No point dwelling on the past. And this topic was based on the striker we have on trial. Edited June 20, 2020 by Pride_of_ayrshire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gaz of the 20/20 said: For a side that were 3rd last season and 5th when i took over i think its fairly appalling. You shouldn’t have taken over then... Edited June 20, 2020 by KenVaagen1984 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyjohnston Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, skygod said: When he took over as caretaker, we were fifth with 23 points from 18 matches. The only team below us with a game in hand was St Johnstone, who had just 15 points from 17 matches. I would say that we were in fifth place on merit. We had lost the two previous matches - Livingston and Ross County, both away, Ross County to a last-minute goal. Before that we were unbeaten in four, one win and three draws. Six points from six matches against teams below us in the table wasn't great. It was better than the five successive defeats which followed though! One of those draws was 0-0 at home to St Johnstone who at that time were still a poor side. If Alessio had us in 5th on merit, we should have tanked them. Instead we were completely toothless and played a type of football that made my eyes bleed. The rot had well and truly set in and it is foolish to think we were going to stay in 5th without an overhaul of the squad in January. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, theboyjohnston said: One of those draws was 0-0 at home to St Johnstone who at that time were still a poor side. If Alessio had us in 5th on merit, we should have tanked them. Instead we were completely toothless and played a type of football that made my eyes bleed. The rot had well and truly set in and it is foolish to think we were going to stay in 5th without an overhaul of the squad in January. My point was that we were in fifth place on merit at the time. Nobody below had games in hand whereby they could overtake us as was claimed. Marks for style of football seldom feature in statistics! Edited June 20, 2020 by skygod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Fletch said: I'm not saying it was great, the point I'm getting at was that his time as manager wasn't a shambles or appalling. It was a challenging task for anyone and he definitely came through it having made improvements. Anyway, he made positive changes and people need to get off his case and show him a bit of support into the new season. As I said, he has the chance to show he was the right choice. I really like him but I’m not sure he’s up to it. A good start could make all the difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted June 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, historyman said: Could have done with some league cup games to start with as I doubt there will be any friendlies Remains to be seen what pre season will consist of. Teams in England managed to fit in friendlies in the build up to this weeks restart. The obvious issue up here is only one league has a start date at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, skygod said: When he took over as caretaker, we were fifth with 23 points from 18 matches. The only team below us with a game in hand was St Johnstone, who had just 15 points from 17 matches. I would say that we were in fifth place on merit. We had lost the two previous matches - Livingston and Ross County, both away, Ross County to a last-minute goal. Before that we were unbeaten in four, one win and three draws. Six points from six matches against teams below us in the table wasn't great. For discussion rather than disagreement - there's no right answer to all of this of course - the two things I personally don't think got taken into account enough with our fifth place were that all the teams below 4th were atrocious until Christmas and the points tally that had us fifth would have been 8th/9th in most seasons if you look back and do a comparison at that point in the season. For example, we bit Hibs just as they were at their lowest point before punting the manager, Hearts under McPhee, St Mirren when they were struggling and St Johnstone when they were spiralling towards the bottom. Dyer played Ross's Hibs with new signings, a rejuvenated St Johnstone, St Mirren when we had lots of key players out etc etc. (His role, whatever that was, in us not making signings goes against him of course) Not saying those are conclusive - but I reckon those are things that should be taken into account. As an aside, I also think it's why Rangers struggled in the second half of the season - things had shifted to be more like they usually are with teams playing more at their level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garvis Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 14 hours ago, C4mmy31 said: Under promise, over deliver, get more than 3 or 4 in will be seen as a bonus. If AD says we need 6 or 7 and only gets 5 in we all know what the response on here will be. But you said...... This 100% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 But history shows we only ever get what we aim for at best and never any more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy123 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 22 hours ago, Fletch said: Appalling is a ridiculous exaggeration. Since the winter break he took us on a 9 points out of 9 run and he beat Rangers. Against Hibs we were unlucky not to win but against Hamilton we had a nightmare. A bit of naivety was shown here and there but It was perfectly average, he turned around a team that never looked like scoring to restoring a bit of performance. Anything before the winter break was pretty much out of his hands. He moved from playing El Makrini off Brophy to going two up front and bringing the wingers back into final third more, it got Brophy scoring. he has a win ratio in the same category as lee Clarke, McCulloch, Johnstone, locke. Not Dyer's fault I have to blame the board for this one. They have chosen the cheap option again. We should had brought in a new manager to start building a new squad. Instead we will have Dyer till Christmas time, sack him then bring in a new manager who "we cant judge for the rest of the season as it's not his team" will be the comments on here. Alesso was a number 2 and good at it, been a number 1 was not for him and for his first job going to s SPFL team was a joke appointment. Same with Dyer great number 2 but never been a manager, No experience at all. Most managers start in the lower leagues and work up. Few exceptions to the rule depending on the ex players fame -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Chris Burke saying in the press today that everyone in squad was happy Dyer got appointed , that AD knows the players, has a way to play that players understand and AD is aware what additions are needed....... also saying he feels Kilmarnock are a club on the up and set to improve in the coming season... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theauldyin Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, andy123 said: he has a win ratio in the same category as lee Clarke, McCulloch, Johnstone, locke. Not Dyer's fault I have to blame the board for this one. They have chosen the cheap option again. We should had brought in a new manager to start building a new squad. Instead we will have Dyer till Christmas time, sack him then bring in a new manager who "we cant judge for the rest of the season as it's not his team" will be the comments on here. Alesso was a number 2 and good at it, been a number 1 was not for him and for his first job going to s SPFL team was a joke appointment. Same with Dyer great number 2 but never been a manager, No experience at all. Most managers start in the lower leagues and work up. Few exceptions to the rule depending on the ex players fame can you no read ? Edited June 21, 2020 by theauldyin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Although results may not reflect so, there was massive improvement under Dyer on the park. The football was more entertaining and the players were working harder. He will have a pre-season and a full window now to shape his team and in my opinion he deserves this chance for the way he has handled the club during COVID-19. On a personal level, I think he will prove many wrong both in the transfer market and with our team performances. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Scouser2 said: Chris Burke saying in the press today that everyone in squad was happy Dyer got appointed , that AD knows the players, has a way to play that players understand and AD is aware what additions are needed....... That's all well and good. Just a shame none of it translates in to winning football matches -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1869 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 It may be a "cheap option" but given the current situation, Dyer is the right apoointment imo. Knows the players and hopefully have targets in mind to boost the squad. New gaffer would have needed time to assess and adapt the squad to his liking. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guff92 Posted June 21, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Dyer is the manager, rightly or wrongly. Can we all just support him. This lockdown has gone to folks heid man. Give it a by. 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie's Dad Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Guff92 said: Dyer is the manager, rightly or wrongly. Can we all just support him. This lockdown has gone to folks heid man. Give it a by. Totally agree. I like the guy but like others I’m not sure whether he’s the right appointment. However let’s get right behind him at these difficult times, and see what happens. As we all know even bringing in an experienced Manager cannot guarantee success. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 12:23 PM, Fletch said: The "team in 5th thing" is Lee Clark logic. We were in 5th with teams behind us with games in hand. Tell that to Thistle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muza1962 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 1:07 PM, skygod said: When he took over as caretaker, we were fifth with 23 points from 18 matches. The only team below us with a game in hand was St Johnstone, who had just 15 points from 17 matches. I would say that we were in fifth place on merit. We had lost the two previous matches - Livingston and Ross County, both away, Ross County to a last-minute goal. Before that we were unbeaten in four, one win and three draws. Six points from six matches against teams below us in the table wasn't great. It was better than the five successive defeats which followed though! We might have been 5th but it was some of the worst football I have ever watched. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 We all have to admit that we were somewhat spoiled by the SC era at our club and cling to the hope that the man he brought to us as his assistant and with him as one of his backroom team for the national team has learned quite a lot from working with him and I certainly give AD my full support as our new manager! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pride_of_ayrshire Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 Kilmarnock boss Alex Dyer kicks of his official managerial career with a tough away opening day game at Hibernian in Scotland’s capital next month. Brought to the club by former Killie gaffer and current Scotland boss, Steve Clarke, Dyer enjoyed his first taste of management on the back of Angelo Alessio’s departure from Rugby Park in December. Antonio Conte’s long time right hand man struggled during his time in Ayrshire and, despite sitting in fifth place in the Premiership, found himself out of a job before Christmas. Dyer made the step up, initially on an interim basis, but after seeing the club through some rough waters the 54-year-old was rewarded with his first full time management gig in June, signing a two year deal. And one man thrilled to see Dyer get his chance is former Charlton Athletic and Huddersfield Town boss, Chris Powell. The England coach has previously spoken about the lack of opportunities afforded to non-white people in football with only six black or non-white head coaches across the top 92 clubs in England. Dyer’s recent appointment at Kilmarnock means the former Crystal Palace man is currently the only black manager in Scottish football’s senior leagues and five-time England cap, Powell, reckons the club could not be in better hands. “It’s a brave decision, he’s the only black manager in Scotland after Kevin Harper left Albion, and it’s progression and modern thinking. “I know Kevin did a magnificent job at Albion Rovers and I think with regards to Alex, it’s a brilliant moment for football and black coaches. People always need a role model and people to look up to. I know there’s not a massive black community in Scotland but still, whether black or Asian, if they want to coach, they have to see a pathway, they’ve got to see an opportunity. “I know Alex will be a success there and I hope that influences even one person to stay in this great game that we love. “I hope they can take inspiration from his journey, it’s a tough journey, but he’s got there and I hope he can be a leading light, not only in Scotland, but in football in general and society because we all know where we are at at this moment in time.” Dyer, who hopes to continue his role as Scotland assistant manager, enjoyed a successful playing career spanning over 17 seasons with stops at Hull, Blackpool, Palace and Charlton among others, and Powell insists his drive and desire to get into coaching was there for all to see. “Alex coached at Reading with the Under-14s and a number of young players who made careers in the professional game started off with Alex. He wasn’t afraid to coach at any level and that eventually led him to West Ham where he went into sports science and fitness. They were really impressed with his coaching, his drills, his style and was given the Under-23s job. “He isn’t afraid to be out of his comfort zone and when the opportunity came to go to Scotland, he didn’t even flinch. I think Steve was very astute, he didn’t care about his background or his colour he was just bringing someone he knew would benefit him and Kilmarnock. “For me that says it all. He’s taken a long road to be a number one, but it’s fully deserved. He’s doing what he was born to do because he’s someone who has the skillset to be successful. He has shown the skills to be a good coach and assistant manager at all levels and I have no qualms he’ll be able to do it as a number one. “He was a good player himself, in many ways a wide forward. He could score goals off the wing but at times he’d play down the middle. He was a clever player and scored his fair share of goals over the years when you look at his record. “He was a player I admired when he came to Palace but it was a tough team to get into because of [Ian] Wright and [Mark] Bright, but he still contributed a great deal to how good Crystal Palace were in the late 80s.” Powell landed his first management role with Charlton in 2011 and his top priority was bringing his friend of over 30 years in as his assistant. Together they achieved promotion to the Championship and after three years at The Valley headed north to take over at Huddersfield. “When I got the Charlton job, I had to put a team together. I knew I needed someone I trust so it was a no brainer. I knew he would be honest with me. “It was quite natural and organic for us to work together. We’d fall out but quickly get over it which I think is quite healthy in the workplace. You can have disagreements and shouldn’t be aligned always, there should be times when you speak up and I knew he would. “That partnership began there, and we were really successful in our first full season. I’ve always said it wasn’t just me or the players, but his contribution was massive for me because it was my first job and I needed it to work and Al was an integral part of that. And Powell, who’s recent spell as assistant manager to Alan Pardew at ADO Den Haag was prematurely ended by the current pandemic, says Dyer’s wealth of experience in the game will hold him in good stead as he aims to get Killie back competing for a top six finish. “His experiences as a number two under me and especially Steve up in Scotland, and the fact he’s had a few months to find his feet will help. I went into my first job in the January and I needed six months just to find my feet a little bit and work out the minutia of management. “I know 100 per cent he learned a lot from Steve. Steve is very intense on his preparation and coaching and is one of the best at it. Al will follow some of that, but he’ll be his own man. “I know he’s always been very proud of the club because the budget is very small, but they’ve picked up points against the likes of Celtic and Rangers over the last couple of years. “When they beat Rangers in February I was working over in Holland. When I spoke to him, he was just so proud for the town and the club because they are up against it. We all know in the Scottish Premiership everyone is up against it with the two Glasgow sides so for him to get that result just showed everyone a little snippet of what he can do. “I think there’s an understanding of where Killie are at and who they are in terms of budget and crowds, but actually when you look at it they’ve always pushed that little bit and I know Al will try to continue to get those sort of results when the big teams come; up against it but always competing and always in the game. “I saw way back in the 80’s, he builds good relationships with people and he’s not afraid to have difficult conversations. I always tell people, don’t be fooled, he’s laid back and he’ll entertain you and be welcoming but he’s a smart man, he knows exactly what he wants. “He wants the best for Kilmarnock, and he knows the parameters he’s working within and that’s a good thing.” https://talksport.com/football/730376/proud-alex-dyer-rangers-celtic-kilmarnock-inspire-black-asian-coaches-chris-powell/ A good read. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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