bute-killiefan Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Fair play to him, he wants to be playing more first team football. Exceptional signing for Dunfermline imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Killieboykfc Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 I need to be honest here and say I can’t help but feel a lot of people are being quite over dramatic about us letting him go. Seen quite a few people on twitter etc say that it’s a terrible decision from us. In reality though I don’t really see what he has done in the past 3+ years to show that he has enough to play regularly for us at this level. That goal against Dundee aside, I can’t really think of any times he stood out whilst playing for us and he never stood out at QOTS either. Boy is still young though and I think Dunfermline is a good move for him. Wish him the best of luck. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Have said it before but the thing about Wilson for me was that he looked comfortable with a football at his feet and was prepared to keep the ball until a pass was on. More of an old-fashioned style complete midfield player than the modern "destroyers" or "creatives" who are usually only good at their specialism. Probably liked him most because his style harked back to a previous era Edited July 17, 2020 by KenVaagen1984 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killieblues Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Good luck to the lad. The timing led him into trying to break through into a very respectable central midfield. I'm sure he will shine at Dunfermline, and get another shot at the SPL later in his career (although probably not with Dunfermline). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 I'd have kept him because of potential and versatility but plain fact is all other top league teams would have been aware of him and don't seem to have made a move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big sexy Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 12:06 PM, Harrogate Peter said: I'd have kept him because of potential and versatility but plain fact is all other top league teams would have been aware of him and don't seem to have ma There must have been something wrong with him as he had many managers who never seemed to have faith in him .last game i witnessed him was st mirren away and he had a stinker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffer Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 The.boy needed games to show what potential he had, great engine and desire to wini I'm a wee bit disappointed that wee have let this boy go, imo he is better than some of whats been brought in and hd is Local 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngonge88 Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Gaffer said: The.boy needed games to show what potential he had, great engine and desire to wini I'm a wee bit disappointed that wee have let this boy go, imo he is better than some of whats been brought in and hd is Local I watched him quite regularly for queens and he was nothing better than just ok for them. Big fella worked his socks off but realistically doesnt have a huge amount of football talent -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, Ngonge88 said: I watched him quite regularly for queens and he was nothing better than just ok for them. Big fella worked his socks off but realistically doesnt have a huge amount of football talent I'm undecided on him. Where I do think he could have been effective is his versatility. I've seen him play right back, central defence and midfield. If we are using a smaller squad we need players who can play in several positions. I just don't ever think big Shug was keen to sign if he was going to be an unused substitute each week. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngonge88 Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, Bullitt said: I'm undecided on him. Where I do think he could have been effective is his versatility. I've seen him play right back, central defence and midfield. If we are using a smaller squad we need players who can play in several positions. I just don't ever think big Shug was keen to sign if he was going to be an unused substitute each week. You're right that hes versatile. But you tend to find really good players, particularly younger ones. Have a position. These ones that are "okay" in a few positions, generally aren't good enough to be in a team every week. There are exceptions, but for the most part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) He’s had chances to nail a regular place in the team but hasn’t managed to take them. Like Thomas he should do well in that league and I really hope he does. Would be great to see Dunfermline beat Hearts to promotion. Edited July 18, 2020 by historyman 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estragon Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 9:53 AM, Killieboykfc said: I need to be honest here and say I can’t help but feel a lot of people are being quite over dramatic about us letting him go. Seen quite a few people on twitter etc say that it’s a terrible decision from us. In reality though I don’t really see what he has done in the past 3+ years to show that he has enough to play regularly for us at this level. That goal against Dundee aside, I can’t really think of any times he stood out whilst playing for us and he never stood out at QOTS either. Boy is still young though and I think Dunfermline is a good move for him. Wish him the best of luck. Agree with this 100%, and was slaughtered on here for saying as much last summer. Hope he does well at Dunfermline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 To be fair playing the odd game in a variety of positions must be a hell of a step up especially for a young lad. I know that in common with most sides we can't afford big enough squads for meaningful reserve team football but is this an example of where the club (and lads like Wilson) suffer for it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoydsFace Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 14 hours ago, Harrogate Peter said: To be fair playing the odd game in a variety of positions must be a hell of a step up especially for a young lad. I know that in common with most sides we can't afford big enough squads for meaningful reserve team football but is this an example of where the club (and lads like Wilson) suffer for it? Good point. Worth remembering that too when people (me included) are critical of Rory McKenzie. Moving into his tenth year McKenzie, in my opinion, has played at least 4 different positions. 3 variations as a forward/attacker and now his current role as a centre midfielder. When you think about the volume of managers Rory has had and the different ways they would all want him to play these positions across his time is it any wonder he isn’t the player we all wished he could be consistently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 For me Rory is frustrating because he's a nearly player. He 'nearly' does something outstanding two or three times a game but never seems to manage it. His assists and in particular goalscoring record are nowhere near good enough. I agree with the poster who suggested he's had more chances than Iain Wilson. For me this has to be a big season for Rory and he has to emerge as a seasoned pro with a better output in key areas. I suspect some of this is mental and with a more confident/positive outlook he may still have it in him to be a top player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 It really doesn't matter for any of us to debate rory's contribution to KFC over the past 10 years (though I do respect everybody's right to have an opinion) what really matters is the opinions of the many managers he has played under and the fact they think he is worth his place and it's interesting to think of all the youth players he has grown up at killie with and how many of them have moved on! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Squirrelhumper Posted July 21, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, Harrogate Peter said: For me Rory is frustrating because he's a nearly player. He 'nearly' does something outstanding two or three times a game but never seems to manage it. His assists and in particular goalscoring record are nowhere near good enough. I agree with the poster who suggested he's had more chances than Iain Wilson. For me this has to be a big season for Rory and he has to emerge as a seasoned pro with a better output in key areas. I suspect some of this is mental and with a more confident/positive outlook he may still have it in him to be a top player. Shiels, Locke, McCulloch, Clark, Clarke and Dyer all have one thing in common. They all rated McKenzie and they all had him in and around their starting 11. I really can't see why he gets so much criticism. He's seen countless midfielders come and go in his 10 years in the first team and he's always been kept by incoming managers. 29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFC Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Shiels, Locke, McCulloch, Clark, Clarke and Dyer all have one thing in common. They all rated McKenzie and they all had him in and around their starting 11. I really can't see why he gets so much criticism. He's seen countless midfielders come and go in his 10 years in the first team and he's always been kept by incoming managers. Totally agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Shiels, Locke, McCulloch, Clark, Clarke and Dyer all have one thing in common. They all rated McKenzie and they all had him in and around their starting 11. I really can't see why he gets so much criticism. He's seen countless midfielders come and go in his 10 years in the first team and he's always been kept by incoming managers. Same went for Fowler and Mavis, noone really appreciated them until the twilight of their career or when they weren't there. Two solid professionals who dis the dirty work, and let the more skilful and creative players do what they did best. Pur problem is that beyond Burke we don't have that kind of player in our side, so Rory sticks out as he puts in a shift, but we have some who seem to think he should be Losa, Durrant and Stewart rolled into one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Harrogate Peter said: For me Rory is frustrating because he's a nearly player. He 'nearly' does something outstanding two or three times a game but never seems to manage it. His assists and in particular goalscoring record are nowhere near good enough. I agree with the poster who suggested he's had more chances than Iain Wilson. For me this has to be a big season for Rory and he has to emerge as a seasoned pro with a better output in key areas. I suspect some of this is mental and with a more confident/positive outlook he may still have it in him to be a top player. What rubbish! Rory has been a first team regular under different managers for coming up on ten years. He clearly works hard, has the right attitude and, when called upon, does the job asked of him. If he didn’t have any of those qualities he’d have been moved on long before now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, The Lurker said: What rubbish! Rory has been a first team regular under different managers for coming up on ten years. He clearly works hard, has the right attitude and, when called upon, does the job asked of him. If he didn’t have any of those qualities he’d have been moved on long before now. There's a world of a difference between what Rory achieves and what I think he could. Don't dispute he plays a bits and pieces role and is pretty regular in a squad that has few really mobile players in their prime a state of affairs for a decade at least. My point was if he could take the next step he wouldn't need to flirt with Trinidad and Tobago! This thread was about Iain Wilson and he too has more about him than he's been able to show albeit with fewer opportunities partly because he's playing in our strongest (albeit ageing) area of the team. If he'd been more mobile maybe he'd get 200 or so appearances with us too? This might be rubbish too but these are my opinions and I'm entitled to them! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy_boy Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 12:30 AM, historyman said: Would be great to see Dunfermline beat Hearts to promotion. If by great you mean hilarious then yes I agree it will be incredibly great. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcktid91 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Harrogate Peter said: For me Rory is frustrating because he's a nearly player. He 'nearly' does something outstanding two or three times a game but never seems to manage it. His assists and in particular goalscoring record are nowhere near good enough. I agree with the poster who suggested he's had more chances than Iain Wilson. For me this has to be a big season for Rory and he has to emerge as a seasoned pro with a better output in key areas. I suspect some of this is mental and with a more confident/positive outlook he may still have it in him to be a top player. He's not been the same player since he got injured years ago...he should of left to find a new challenge -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiegh Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Shiels, Locke, McCulloch, Clark, Clarke and Dyer all have one thing in common. They all rated McKenzie and they all had him in and around their starting 11. I really can't see why he gets so much criticism. He's seen countless midfielders come and go in his 10 years in the first team and he's always been kept by incoming managers. Totally agree. I don’t get the criticism the team misses him when he is not playing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Dcktid91 said: He's not been the same player since he got injured years ago...he should of left to find a new challenge Thank f**k he never! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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