Zorro Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 13 hours ago, chubbs said: Was in the chemist this afternoon picking up prescriptions and three folk were in without masks .... one even had an NHS Identity card. Maybe they had asthma. That seems to be the go to ‘get out of jail free’ card for the selfish and tinfoil hat wearers in society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogwai Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Tip for glasses wearers: to stop your specs steaming up, just stick a wee piece (2-3cm) of micropore tape either side of your nose to hold the mask in place. Sorted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogwai Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) I had an argument on Twitter with some "non-maskers" until I realised that if I saw these swivel-eyed lunatics coming down the road, I'd cross the street to avoid them, rather than engage them in conversation. They were using Naturopathy (airy-fairy quackery) as well as a bunch of other conspiracy theories to back up their screwball conspiracy theory about not wearing masks. They seemed to revere some guy on YouTube, but when I watched it, it was just some sad old chap shouting at graphs that weren't the shape he wanted them to be. They also said "wake up, sheeple" quite a lot, which is a dead giveaway. Mostly staunch unionist huns, too, I noticed. A quick look at their timelines nearly always shows they hate BLM (even when their own players are involved!) almost as much as they hate Nicola Sturgeon and "Bheast FC". Haven't kept in contact to see what they think about bungling boris wearing a mask yet, but I'm sure they would have some even more fantastical theory to 'explain' it. It got me interested in why some people fall so heavily for conspiracy theories. What makes people abandon facts and experts and believe conspiracy theories about vaccines, the moon landings, the shape of the Earth and now "Plandemic"? Been looking for a good book about it. Any suggestions? Edited July 24, 2020 by Mogwai 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Mogwai said: Tip for glasses wearers: to stop your specs steaming up, just stick a wee piece (2-3cm) of micropore tape either side of your nose to hold the mask in place. Sorted. Disnae work. But, you know what I guess I have lived with steaming up glasses aw na life so am no bothered. Jf ah xanne see, ah canny see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 I have a new favourite conspiracy theorist. Step forward Brent Burnett of the Glenwood salon In Glenrothes. The brave Brent, who built his thriving hairdressing business in what looks like a post-apocalyptic wasteland, has proof that COVID-19 is a plot so he’s not going to make customers or staff wear face coverings. Obviously, because he was so smart in working this plot out, Brent has posted his new business plan on Facebook and spoke with the local papers about it. This should ensure plenty of new customers. Brent also has evidence about 5G, Alzheimer’s, pyramids, Mercury, 9/11 and the 300 committee. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundonald_Killie Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 14 hours ago, Mogwai said: It got me interested in why some people fall so heavily for conspiracy theories. What makes people abandon facts and experts and believe conspiracy theories about vaccines, the moon landings, the shape of the Earth and now "Plandemic"? Been looking for a good book about it. Any suggestions? John Oliver did a bit about this in his programme last week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 16 hours ago, Mogwai said: It got me interested in why some people fall so heavily for conspiracy theories. What makes people abandon facts and experts and believe conspiracy theories about vaccines, the moon landings, the shape of the Earth and now "Plandemic"? 1 hour ago, Dundonald_Killie said: John Oliver did a bit about this in his programme last week The always brilliant J.O. explains why people are so susceptible to believing misinformation about the virus and other conspiracy theories, including a take down of Plandemic, in S07 E18 from 07:40... *NSFW* ...some weirdo on 5G masts, "when they turn that switch on, bye bye mama" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Mogwai said: It got me interested in why some people fall so heavily for conspiracy theories. What makes people abandon facts and experts and believe conspiracy theories about vaccines, the moon landings, the shape of the Earth and now "Plandemic"? Been looking for a good book about it. Any suggestions? You should look up QAnon on Google. Apparently The Donald us saving the world from an elite group of powerful paedophiles who control everything including the meeja. And covid-19 is completely fabricated. If you encounter somebody who the virus killed they are just pretending to be dead. This group has many many serious believers. I work beside someone whose brother is right into all this and you would not believe the effort the CIA put into 9/11. Edited July 25, 2020 by gdevoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, gdevoy said: . If you encounter somebody who the virus killed they are just pretending to be dead. "Crisis actors" is the stock phrase they use, like the school shooting survivors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 16 hours ago, Mogwai said: Tip for glasses wearers: to stop your specs steaming up, just stick a wee piece (2-3cm) of micropore tape either side of your nose to hold the mask in place. Sorted. Haha aye okay Viz, I've gotta tape up like Adam Ant to go into the shop for a paper? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogwai Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 14 hours ago, gdevoy said: Disnae work. But, you know what I guess I have lived with steaming up glasses aw na life so am no bothered. Jf ah xanne see, ah canny see. It works for me! 46 minutes ago, Scooter said: Haha aye okay Viz, I've gotta tape up like Adam Ant to go into the shop for a paper? Ridicule is nothing to be scared of. Whatever tickles your pickle. Look, my optician suggested it and it works for me. The micropore is practically invisible. Keep a wee roll in your motor and off you go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogwai Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Scooter said: "Crisis actors" is the stock phrase they use, like the school shooting survivors. For me, seeing them calling grieving parents from Sandy Hook liars and hounding them about being crisis actors was one of the first things which made me think of them more as potentially dangerous, possibly very ill people rather then harmless Walter Mittys. Obviously the internet wasn't as easily accessible at the time, but I don't remember anyone saying the same about Dunblane. Is this 'crisis actors' thing a new twist or has it been around for a while? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKX16 Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, gdevoy said: And covid-19 is completely fabricated. If you encounter somebody who the virus killed they are just pretending to be dead. This group has many many serious believers. A good friend of mine believes it's all about control and power. It's don't trust any vaccines and remember Thalidomide. Bill Gates wants to reduce the Worlds population by producing a vaccine by funding Oxford university. Personally don't get it but there you go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, EKX16 said: A good friend of mine believes it's all about control and power. It's don't trust any vaccines and remember Thalidomide. Bill Gates wants to reduce the Worlds population by producing a vaccine by funding Oxford university. Personally don't get it but there you go. I am always suspicious of anybody saying something us "all about" something. Ther may be decisions being made with a view to enhancing peoples power but it is not solely about that. Bill Gates is just a geek who got lucky. He is not a super manipulative member of the illuminati. Edited July 25, 2020 by gdevoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKX16 Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, gdevoy said: I am always suspicious of anybody saying something us "all about" something. Ther may be decisions being made with a view to enhancing peoples power but it is not solely about that. Bill Gates is just a geek who got lucky. He is not a super manipulative member of the illuminati. Exactly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman396 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 12:15 PM, Scooby_Doo said: I forgot to ask - what do you make of it? I have no problem with wearing one. They are not fun and not something i would choose but i accept the science behind them. Like others have said in here i am stunned gow much of an issue they have become here and in the US. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman396 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 20 hours ago, Mogwai said: I had an argument on Twitter with some "non-maskers" until I realised that if I saw these swivel-eyed lunatics coming down the road, I'd cross the street to avoid them, rather than engage them in conversation. They were using Naturopathy (airy-fairy quackery) as well as a bunch of other conspiracy theories to back up their screwball conspiracy theory about not wearing masks. They seemed to revere some guy on YouTube, but when I watched it, it was just some sad old chap shouting at graphs that weren't the shape he wanted them to be. They also said "wake up, sheeple" quite a lot, which is a dead giveaway. Mostly staunch unionist huns, too, I noticed. A quick look at their timelines nearly always shows they hate BLM (even when their own players are involved!) almost as much as they hate Nicola Sturgeon and "Bheast FC". Haven't kept in contact to see what they think about bungling boris wearing a mask yet, but I'm sure they would have some even more fantastical theory to 'explain' it. It got me interested in why some people fall so heavily for conspiracy theories. What makes people abandon facts and experts and believe conspiracy theories about vaccines, the moon landings, the shape of the Earth and now "Plandemic"? Been looking for a good book about it. Any suggestions? I have studied Conspiracy Theories somewhat. A good starter book to the phenomenon is Voodoo History by David Aaronovitch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Mogwai said: For me, seeing them calling grieving parents from Sandy Hook liars and hounding them about being crisis actors was one of the first things which made me think of them more as potentially dangerous, possibly very ill people rather then harmless Walter Mittys. It is a very serious question. How do you react to the unpleasant event of evidence emerging that challenges your belief system? Do you think, "maybe it's time I had a bit of a think through this again" or do you decide to dig in and defend it come what may. Even if that involves multiplying the pain of bereaved parents to insane levels by accusing them of fabricating the deaths of their own children? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogwai Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, gdevoy said: It is a very serious question. How do you react to the unpleasant event of evidence emerging that challenges your belief system? Do you think, "maybe it's time I had a bit of a think through this again" or do you decide to dig in and defend it come what may. Even if that involves multiplying the pain of bereaved parents to insane levels by accusing them of fabricating the deaths of their own children? Yeah, I suppose once they've taken that path, they've crossed the Rubicon and invested too much to turn back. By that point, if they find others who feel the same, that will just fuel the fire. And these days, finding people who think like you (no matter how crazy) is easy. Twitter, Facebook etc are little more than echo chambers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 9:01 AM, Bonbon19 said: but the MSM would have nothing to write about then. The 'MSM' do nothing but report on the facts and figures, and the opinion of health experts, with some nutters thrown in for 'balance' When this started, they were accused of scaring people for ratings, thousands of deaths later, they are accused of the same again because they report on the very real threat of future spikes in cases 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/25/2020 at 11:07 AM, gdevoy said: It is a very serious question. How do you react to the unpleasant event of evidence emerging that challenges your belief system? Do you think, "maybe it's time I had a bit of a think through this again" or do you decide to dig in and defend it come what may. Even if that involves multiplying the pain of bereaved parents to insane levels by accusing them of fabricating the deaths of their own children? Studies have shown that it's often too late by this point. Far better to catch it before it gets too far. Much like any extremism, white supremacy, Islamic extremism etc, there needs to be intervention early when they show signs of starting to believe it. That's why it's so important that social media sites do everything they can to shutdown the accounts peddling it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, bute-killiefan said: That's why it's so important that social media sites do everything they can to shutdown the accounts peddling it And there in lies the problem. If you start some bollox theory down the pub your mates will eventually tell you to sober up. On social meeja there will inevitably be some other nutter somewhere in the world who agrees with you. That's where moderators come and that is where the real problems with Facebook and Twitter really start. Some platforms are too big. Their business model would not pay for enough moderators so they have gone all 'automatic'. And the sad truth is that AI is just not up to the job of discriminating nutters from non nutters. Edited July 27, 2020 by gdevoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, bute-killiefan said: Studies have shown that it's often too late by this point. Far better to catch it before it gets too far. Much like any extremism, white supremacy, Islamic extremism etc, there needs to be intervention early when they show signs of starting to believe it. That's why it's so important that social media sites do everything they can to shutdown the accounts peddling it We humans are primed to collect together and follow any human-made 'religious' or 'pseudo-religious" concoction meant to promote the views of some while degrading the views of others, whether it be through soft power or hard power. That's why organised religions can be just as dangerous as any conspiracy theory, they take people's faith, form it into a 'belief', then twist it against other people's faith for human-made selfish ambitions, greed and power. Sermon over. Edited July 27, 2020 by Scooter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, gdevoy said: Some platforms are too big. Their business model would not pay for enough moderators so they have gone all 'automatic'. And the sad truth is that AI is just not up to the job of discriminating nutters from non nutters. Don't accept that explanation from them. They say it takes too long to take down certain types of content, but notify them about a copyright infringement and they shoot first, ask questions later. They won't take something down quickly that will generate them some more money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, gdevoy said: Some platforms are too big. Their business model would not pay for enough moderators so they have gone all 'automatic'. And the sad truth is that AI is just not up to the job of discriminating nutters from non nutters. Sorry but you're not telling me that FB cannot set up for trigger words and have a human filter those posts further? This is a multi billion dollar comoany. Recently these f**king idiots have allowed a small group of so called experts to literally peddle that Peadophilia is a sexual orientation which is perfectly normal and not an abomination. People complained and..... this siate said it didn't breach any of their community policies. If they cannot be trusted to stop this sort of nonsense then how can they be trusted at all to govern what is posted and broadcast. There must be a governance which is internationally recognised and outside of governmental interference or manipulatio for media to become remotelt trustworthy again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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