Pelesboots Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bullitt said: Can't believe the negativity. A guy who has put huge sums into the club whilst getting rid of a parasite has renamed the stadium (which everyone and their granny will still call Rugby Park) to offset some debt he is owed. Jesus Christ some of you really need to start living in the real world a while. Well said - couldn't have put it any better myself. We are so lucky to have someone like Billy Bowie in charge. Hopefully the likes of this deal will ensure our continued existence, which is not something many clubs will be able to say in the longer term. FFS - I'm old enough to remember the mess the Lachlan's let us get into. If the like of them or even MJ had been in charge of us in this pandemic we would be in serious bother. Some of the idiots who 'support' Killie at present should be careful what they wish for. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warney Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, Bullitt said: Can't believe the negativity. A guy who has put huge sums into the club whilst getting rid of a parasite has renamed the stadium (which everyone and their granny will still call Rugby Park) to offset some debt he is owed. Jesus Christ some of you really need to start living in the real world a while. Parasite? Is this the same bloke he shared a hotel with fairly recently? -11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warney Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Pelesboots said: Well said - couldn't have put it any better myself. We are so lucky to have someone like Billy Bowie in charge. Hopefully the likes of this deal will ensure our continued existence, which is not something many clubs will be able to say in the longer term. FFS - I'm old enough to remember the mess the Lachlan's let us get into. If the like of them or even MJ had been in charge of us in this pandemic we would be in serious bother. Some of the idiots who 'support' Killie at present should be careful what they wish for. Kilmarnock Football Club would exist at whatever level with or without Billy Bowie. -9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, warney said: Kilmarnock Football Club would exist at whatever level with or without Billy Bowie. Bobby Fleeting and the legendary Tommy Burns saved our football club from oblivation Edited August 7, 2020 by killie1961 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Squirrelhumper Posted August 8, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 5 hours ago, killie1961 said: Bobby Fleeting and the legendary Tommy Burns saved our football club from oblivation Bobby Fleeting also got chased out the club by the bank. Bowie has puta hell of a lot more of his actual money into the club. Fleeting was good at spending other folks money and without him persuading them to do so we'd maybe be in a different place but Bowie took over a club about £13m in debt, on road to ruin. I'll forever be grateful for him giving us our club back. If that means rugby park gets a sponsor then it's a very small price to pay. 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 6 hours ago, warney said: Kilmarnock Football Club would exist at whatever level with or without Billy Bowie. Aye probably the same level as Ayr just now at the very best. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 7 hours ago, warney said: Kilmarnock Football Club would exist at whatever level with or without Billy Bowie. You’re in fairy land mate. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skygod Posted August 8, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) Some of the critics on here and on twitter have no idea of the club’s finances. We have no credit facilities so are dependent on the directors to underwrite any debt. We owe BB and BBSP hundreds of thousands of quid, yet folk still think there's never been a better time to speculate on the squad than in the middle of a pandemic! The naming rights for RP is a way of exchanging some of the debt for advertising, and to throw in some cash as well. Twenty-eight (or whatever) years of unbroken top-flight football has led to a section of the support being complacent and unaware, or forgetful, of life below the top. We even have some eejits who wouldn’t mind being relegated so they could have the dubious pleasure of visiting different grounds! If they want to avoid reliance on BB and PM, support the Trust and TiK, and the Killie Care Fund lottery. Edited August 8, 2020 by skygod 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Bullitt said: Can't believe the negativity. A guy who has put huge sums into the club whilst getting rid of a parasite has renamed the stadium (which everyone and their granny will still call Rugby Park) to offset some debt he is owed. Jesus Christ some of you really need to start living in the real world a while. Totally agree. The guy has done a great deal of good for the club and it will always be Rugby Park to the fans. Ripping up the grass and laying down a plastic pitch was a far, far more impactful decision than just a name. I haven’t read the last 8 pages but I would hope almost everyone sees things the same way. Edited August 8, 2020 by historyman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Squirrel Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 I'm not a fan of the naming deal, the reason why is two fold for me it represents the over-commercialisation of football were anything and everything is for sale at a price, I cringe at clubs down south and up here having commercial partners for the most mundane of things, soon I would imagine some clubs will have official water partners etc. Secondly is the way the deal has or has not been done, I'm not privy to the deal so I am just speculating but what work I wonder has been done to asses the value for money of this deal. I would love to know what the true value of sponsoring the stadium would be and if it is lower or higher than the amount agreed for this one. Knowing also the duration of the deal would be nice. Fact is however I'm not in charge and the deal is done whether I like it or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Secret Squirrel said: I'm not a fan of the naming deal, the reason why is two fold for me it represents the over-commercialisation of football were anything and everything is for sale at a price, I cringe at clubs down south and up here having commercial partners for the most mundane of things, soon I would imagine some clubs will have official water partners etc. Secondly is the way the deal has or has not been done, I'm not privy to the deal so I am just speculating but what work I wonder has been done to asses the value for money of this deal. I would love to know what the true value of sponsoring the stadium would be and if it is lower or higher than the amount agreed for this one. Knowing also the duration of the deal would be nice. Fact is however I'm not in charge and the deal is done whether I like it or not. Unfortunately that’s the game now so you have to play by those rules if you want to survive and compete. I think Manchester United have over 80 official sponsors. If this deal helps us finish above Livingston from the Tony Macaroni stadium then I’m all for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, skygod said: Some of the critics on here and on twitter have no idea of the club’s finances. We have no credit facilities so are dependent on the directors to underwrite any debt. We owe BB and BBSP hundreds of thousands of quid, yet folk still think there's never been a better time to speculate on the squad than in the middle of a pandemic! The naming rights for RP is a way of exchanging some of the debt for advertising, and to throw in some cash as well. Twenty-eight (or whatever) years of unbroken top-flight football has led to a section of the support being complacent and unaware, or forgetful, of life below the top. We even have some eejits who wouldn’t mind being relegated so they could have the dubious pleasure of visiting different grounds! If they want to avoid reliance on BB and PM, support the Trust and TiK, and the Killie Care Fund lottery. 100% this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dieter's Heeder said: 100% this. Absolutely agree with your comments. You have to wonder what some “fans” actually want. Is BB perfect? Of course not. Is he a true football man? Probably not. What he definitely is, is a local lad done good who stepped in and invested in our club when it was on its knees, persevered with MJ until he finalised his exit and now runs the club like a business which is the correct thing to do. The graveyard is full of ex owners who lost their shirt chasing the dream. I’m 100% behind BB and the rest of the board on how the manage the club. People should be careful what they wish for. Bobby Fleeting never put a penny into the club. He used everyone else’s money, especially his mother in law’s and the bank. That’s the main reason we ended up in the financial mess. Fleeting had the charisma to be the figurehead of the club, but didn’t have the business acumen to run it properly. Mix him and BB together and we would have the perfect chairman I suppose. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, warney said: Parasite? Is this the same bloke he shared a hotel with fairly recently? Have you considered this may have been done to stop the parasite from eventually selling it on and trousering even more cash at the clubs expense? Edited August 8, 2020 by C4mmy31 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 51 minutes ago, Secret Squirrel said: I'm not a fan of the naming deal, the reason why is two fold for me it represents the over-commercialisation of football were anything and everything is for sale at a price, I cringe at clubs down south and up here having commercial partners for the most mundane of things, soon I would imagine some clubs will have official water partners etc. Secondly is the way the deal has or has not been done, I'm not privy to the deal so I am just speculating but what work I wonder has been done to asses the value for money of this deal. I would love to know what the true value of sponsoring the stadium would be and if it is lower or higher than the amount agreed for this one. Knowing also the duration of the deal would be nice. Fact is however I'm not in charge and the deal is done whether I like it or not. There is no value for money in sponsoring our stadium, the fans won't start calling it a different name, we are hardly ever on TV. In short it's just written of debt that the club owed BB which is a hell of a generous offer in this current climate. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellman2010 Posted August 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 It’s a mutually beneficial deal for both the club & BB IMO. The club gets a proportion of debt written off, as well as a cash injection & BB gets a wee bit of extra advertising/publicity. In the current climate we can’t shy away from investment & at the end of the day although the official name of the stadium will be BBSP, Rugby Park, the people that matter, the fans, will still call it Rugby Park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 Running a professional footbal club costs money, so this was inevitable I suppose. At the end of the day I know what the ground is called but history and tradition dont pay the Bill's. I'm still much more annoyed at watching us play on astroturf. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) EThe name of a football club's ground is one of the traditional mainstays of its identity, along with its colours, badge and nickname. As a kid, I knew from memory every club in the country's identities! Naming rights for a stadium doesn't really work unless it's a new build. Everybody is going to know the ground by its original name, which doesn't apply in the case of the Emirates and Etihad etc. Even then, you get new builds whose names change when the sponsorship is renewed. Thus you get the John Smith Stadium, formerly known as the Galpharm Stadium, formerly known as the Alfred McAlpine Stadium in Huddersfield! Mess with a club's identity at your peril, as Vincent Tan discovered when he changed Cardiff City's colours from blue to "lucky" red and imposed a dragon in the traditional badge! Edited August 8, 2020 by skygod -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewWylie Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 12 hours ago, warney said: Kilmarnock Football Club would exist at whatever level with or without Billy Bowie. not so sure 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFAANW Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 You can't argue with what Bowie has done for the club and everyone should be grateful for that. However, the fact he mentioned about Rugby Park always being known as Rugby Park in his statement, and down playing the significance of the change, then he obviously knew it was going to be a contentious issue, so why bother? If you are going to invest six figures and write off money owed to the club, then surely you want maximum exposure and not down play it? In a close season of PR muck ups with the club shop website, training kit look etc, maybe he could have looked for a better way to do it. He is the majority shareholder though and I guess he can do what he likes “The stadium will always be known as Rugby Park to our fans and I don’t want to take that away, so we have added our name to the start, naming the ground The BBSP Stadium, Rugby Park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, WFAANW said: In a close season of PR muck ups with the club shop website, training kit look etc, maybe he could have looked for a better way to do it. This is probably the most tax efficient way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG5 Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 As long as Killie are playing there . Call it what u like IE: Theatre of Pies, RP , BBSP RP. Money into the club at this time when some clubs might go under because of no income. I don't care it only a name . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 What's in a name ? Just received a Sky Sports email about what's coming up this weekend. Apparently the Killies are playing some mob from Glasgow who are going for an unprecedented ten-in-a-row league titles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiegh Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 This makes perfect commercial sense. It will always be Rugby Park to the fans. We should never become complacent about our finances. Kilmarnock are not in a position to knock back that kind of money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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