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4 hours ago, gdevoy said:

I see Farage has found his voice again. He was on some radio show this morning stopping just short of suggesting the RN should be out there torpedoing the rubber dingies as the enter UK waters.

Also heard Bojo today saying two things need to be done. 1. Stop the migrants and 2. Change the law so they cant stay so easily. Maybe this shallow twat of a man and his pathetic cronies should have added 3. Establish the root cause of why Syrians,  Iraquis, etc want to come here and look at helping them in their own countries to make things better and not in the way Blair and Bush did. 

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3 minutes ago, Shropshire_killie said:

3. Establish the root cause of why Syrians,  Iraquis, etc want to come here 

I hink I can save him a ton of cash and time here. What about funding s**t stirrers to stir s**t in these countries and turn them into complete s**t houses so everybody wants to move to Eyrope.

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9 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

I hink I can save him a ton of cash and time here. What about STOPPING  funding s**t stirrers to stir s**t in these countries and turn them into complete s**t houses so everybody wants to move to Eyrope.

fixed that for you.  The UK is probably the 2nd worst meddler on the planet,  behind the US.

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Can any body explain how anything about Brexit makes this issue easier to deal with? What possible reason could the Feench have for stopping a shedload of homeless foreigners from leaving France? What possible reason could the Frebch have for cooperating with a country which has just thrust two fingers up to ther economic union with all the other European countries?

BoJo has said he will get tough on migrants as though we are currently inviting them in. How exactly does ge propose we can further deter and intimidate people fleeing in fear uf their lives? Get the RN to shell the dingies?

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27 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Can any body explain how anything about Brexit makes this issue easier to deal with? What possible reason could the Feench have for stopping a shedload of homeless foreigners from leaving France? What possible reason could the Frebch have for cooperating with a country which has just thrust two fingers up to ther economic union with all the other European countries?

BoJo has said he will get tough on migrants as though we are currently inviting them in. How exactly does ge propose we can further deter and intimidate people fleeing in fear uf their lives? Get the RN to shell the dingies?

Whilst there is no actual common policy or directive in the EU despite efforts to get one , there is a loose understanding that member countries should be open to immigrants from third party countries . 
The U.K. will no longer be tied to this arrangement so it should be easier to refuse entry to illegal immigrants , is their thinking I believe . 
The French and U.K. govts will come to some sort of arrangement which will cost the U.K. taxpayers 10’s of millions of pounds which to some will be well worth it . 

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46 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Can any body explain how anything about Brexit makes this issue easier to deal with? What possible reason could the Feench have for stopping a shedload of homeless foreigners from leaving France? What possible reason could the Frebch have for cooperating with a country which has just thrust two fingers up to ther economic union with all the other European countries?

BoJo has said he will get tough on migrants as though we are currently inviting them in. How exactly does ge propose we can further deter and intimidate people fleeing in fear uf their lives? Get the RN to shell the dingies?

Made me sick to see that waste of space patel on a navy boat chugging through the sea as if she was a female Lord Nelson driving back the enemey of those dangerous 0.5 percent invaders of immigrants back to France but did not have the guts to do an interview

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9 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

The U.K. will no longer be tied to this arrangement so it should be easier to refuse entry to illegal immigrants , is their thinking I believe . 

It is much easier to deport illegal migrants who have already claimed asylum elsewhere in the EU back to that country. That is the Dublin agreement.

Once we are out of the EU our only option would be to deport people back to their country of origin which is most likely illegal under UN law.

In other words once we are out of the EU completely we will have many fewer options in dealing with migrants. Also once outside the EU why should the France even bother to take money from us? makes more sense for the French just to Buy the migrants dinghies. 

In other words while leaving the EU will make it harder to get into the UK in refrigerated vans it is going to make the dinghies across the channel issue much worse. 

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Just now, gdevoy said:

Once we are out of the EU our only option would be to deport people back to their country of origin which is most likely illegal under UN law.

It's one rule for refugees, another for economic migrants.  I note I'm the only person so far on this thread, to point out these people in boats, may well be refugees and are 100% entitled to seek refuge in the UK - even if they traveled here in an inflatable boat.  There are refugees fleeing war torn countries all the time, seems unlikely they'd be a grand total of zero in the English Channel in August.

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20 minutes ago, RAG said:

It's one rule for refugees, another for economic migrants.  

According to Farage they are all economic migrants and should be deported without any legal process which is only being abused by said migrants to prolong their stay.

We had somebody at our church they wanted to deport back to Iran. Being a Christian in Iran is a very unhealthy place to be. But try convincing the UK authorities you are a Christian. They are absolutely terrified of upsetting Muslims but Christianity is seen as a "comedy religion" to the UK state. It's taken pretty seriously elsewhere.  

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3 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

According to Farage they are all economic migrants and should be deported without any legal process which is only being abused by said migrants to prolong their stay.

We had somebody at our church they wanted to deport back to Iran. Being a Christian in Iran is a very unhealthy place to be. But try convincing the UK authorities you are a Christian. They are absolutely terrified of upsetting Muslims but Christianity is seen as a "comedy religion" to the UK state. It's taken pretty seriously elsewhere.  

Sadly Christianity here is also a easy target for minority groups of persuasion

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20 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

According to Farage they are all economic migrants and should be deported without any legal process which is only being abused by said migrants to prolong their stay.

"According to" the BBC reports I saw, the folk in the boats claimed to be from Syria - that's not an economic migrant.  Problem with Brexit (and for Farage) is once 'they' land in a new customs area, it is indeed more difficult to move the economic migrants with no right to stay.  Shuttling them back to France, like we did for years as members of the EU is no longer an option. They have to be allowed to disembark to sort the refugees from the economic migrants - the wheat from the chaff if you will.  Idea Brexit would stop thousands of years of migration and emigration from the UK, half baked.  Idea Brexit would stop all refugees, fleeing war torn regions - is completely without any understanding of reality (or humanity).

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11 minutes ago, RAG said:

"According to" the BBC reports I saw, the folk in the boats claimed to be from Syria - that's not an economic migrant.  Problem with Brexit (and for Farage) is once 'they' land in a new customs area, it is indeed more difficult to move the economic migrants with no right to stay.  Shuttling them back to France, like we did for years as members of the EU is no longer an option. They have to be allowed to disembark to sort the refugees from the economic migrants - the wheat from the chaff if you will.  Idea Brexit would stop thousands of years of migration and emigration from the UK, half baked.  Idea Brexit would stop all refugees, fleeing war torn regions - is completely without any understanding of reality (or humanity).

And the little Englanders bought into this

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14 minutes ago, killie1961 said:

And the little Englanders bought into this

For simple people problems always have simple solutions. Any suggestion that a simple solution won't work is just the elite trying to confuse and mislead the masses.

Let's see how far their we've had enough of experts philosophy gets them with fixing their iPhone or curing their cancer.

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40 minutes ago, killie1961 said:

And the little Englanders bought into this

Sorry but everyone who voted No in 2014 is equally as culpable here.  We told everyone what would happen and all we got back was, naw it'll be OK they've promised this time.....

The british elite cannot be trusted EVER, and a leopard does not change its spots.

All.a No vote did in 2014 was say to them that they can do whatever they want as we haven't the balls to stand up to them.

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7 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

Sorry but everyone who voted No in 2014 is equally as culpable here.  We told everyone what would happen and all we got back was, naw it'll be OK they've promised this time.....

The british elite cannot be trusted EVER, and a leopard does not change its spots.

All.a No vote did in 2014 was say to them that they can do whatever they want as we haven't the balls to stand up to them.

Holy f**k.

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2 hours ago, Beaker71 said:

Sorry but everyone who voted No in 2014 is equally as culpable here.  We told everyone what would happen and all we got back was, naw it'll be OK they've promised this time.....

The british elite cannot be trusted EVER, and a leopard does not change its spots.

All.a No vote did in 2014 was say to them that they can do whatever they want as we haven't the balls to stand up to them.

I don't think anyone could have predicted what would come next after 2014. Come on now

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2 hours ago, Beaker71 said:

Sorry but everyone who voted No in 2014 is equally as culpable here.  We told everyone what would happen and all we got back was, naw it'll be OK they've promised this time.....

The british elite cannot be trusted EVER, and a leopard does not change its spots.

All.a No vote did in 2014 was say to them that they can do whatever they want as we haven't the balls to stand up to them.

Actually a NO vote in 2014 said  "we dont think Salmond has got this thought through properly". As it turned out not thinking things through seems to be a characteristic of Alex's.

You may be right in how  WM interpreted it . In which case I suspect they are about to find out just how wrong they were.

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49 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

Vow instantly forgotten and we got EVEL the very next day.

Scotlands voice utterlt ignored in WM.

Noone could predict that..... really?

Your comment was in response to a point about how we are dealing with the refugees trying to enter the country. The dumpster fire that has been 2016-current day could not have been predicted in 2014, so to say anyone who voted no in 2014 is culpable is unfair

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8 minutes ago, bute-killiefan said:

Your comment was in response to a point about how we are dealing with the refugees trying to enter the country. The dumpster fire that has been 2016-current day could not have been predicted in 2014, so to say anyone who voted no in 2014 is culpable is unfair

I disagree, as the YES side predicted pretty much that WM would utterlt.ignore any promises and would actually restrict the ability of Scotland to control its future.  But we all got told now your doing project fear!

The EU vote I will give you wasnt predictable, but WM believing they had carte blanche to do whatever they willed was.

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You've got to ask why right wing media has a problem with other people coming here looking for a better life, desperate to point us towards some people in dinghys in Kent and turn us all against them?

...I say it's because it will distract us from the daily death toll that they didn't want to close borders to reduce, and which vastly outnumbers the total people in these dinghys that they do want to close borders to keep out!

There's also the small matter of hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts for useless pandemic PPE corruption on the horizon...

And then theres the hundreds of millions of pounds that they're gonna have to spend on Brexit that they told us they wouldn't have to spend...

...but look! Coloured people in dinghys! 

Strange that!

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