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34 minutes ago, skygod said:

France has introduced new laws for migrants which impose a three-month wait before being eligible for health care, and "Australian style" quotas based on profession. You know, the sort of restrictions we could only impose from outside the EU....

They are also seeking to crack down on the number of migrants eligible for financial support. 

I think I also read that there is increasingly limited social housing stock for migrants. 

I suspect that France is more amenable to migrants from African Francophone countries than from the Middle east and eastern Europe.

 

 

 

France would not have won the 1998 world cup without the help of the African immigrants even their star player Zidane was algeriam

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21 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

Again this just demonstrates that the U.K. didn’t need to come out of the EU in order to control immigration, or as one of the major powers in the EU is France just doing what it likes ? 

PARIS — President Emmanuel Macron of France tried to seize control of the issue of immigration on Wednesday, as his government announced steps to make the country less attractive to migrants while cracking open the door to skilled foreign workers.

The combined moves were a bid by Mr. Macron to wrest the issue from his main political challengers, the far-right National Rally of Marine Le Pen, which for years has skillfully used immigration in its political ascent.

With critical municipal elections just months away, Mr. Macron has shifted right and begun talking tough on immigration, especially on the perceived abuses of France’s generous social welfare system, hoping to keep Ms. Le Pen’s party, formerly known as the National Front, at bay.

Among Mr. Macron’s new get-tough measures is a provision that asylum seekers would have to wait three months before qualifying for non-urgent health care.

In addition, officials said that informal migrant camps in and around Paris would be cleared by the end of the year, as the government confronts a growing and visible problem in many French cities.

But the government also announced that, starting next year, it would for the first time establish a system of annual quotas to grant visas to skilled immigrants looking to enter France.

“We want to regain control over our immigration policy,” Prime Minister Édouard Philippe said.

While that may have been the intention, the announcement did as much to underline the political peril the issue presents for Mr. Macron, a centrist whose shape-shifting has often dissatisfied French voters across the political spectrum.

The measures drew immediate criticism from both the right, who said they didn’t go far enough, and the left, who said Mr. Macron was unnecessarily endangering the already vulnerable population of asylum seekers for political ends.

In recent weeks, Mr. Macron — who as a presidential candidate lauded Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany for saving Europe’s “collective dignity” through her pro-migrant policies during the height of the crisis in 2015 — had been setting the stage for Wednesday’s announcement.

In a long interview on the presidential plane with a right-wing magazine, “Valeurs Actuelles,” Mr. Macron recently said the authorities had been lax in expelling those who had entered France illegally.

“My goal is to throw out everybody who has no reason to be here,” he said.

In an interview on Radio France, Ms. Le Pen said that the government was addressing the issue of immigration simply because of the municipal elections, scheduled for March. She said the measures would be ineffective in reining in illegal immigration.

“They’re talking about immigration because they think it’s enough to talk about immigration to the French to make them believe that solutions are being brought,” Ms. Le Pen said.

Nearly 124,000 people requested asylum in France last year, a record number and an increase of 23 percent from the previous year. The requests came mainly from Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan and France’s former African colonies, but also from Albania and Georgia, two countries that France says respect human rights.

The increase in asylum seekers has exacerbated housing problems, overwhelming shelters established by the government.

In Paris and other cities, groups of migrants, often numbering in the hundreds, have set up tent cities or are squatting in unused buildings. Nearly 3,000 are estimated to be living on the streets in northern Paris and an adjoining suburb.

The authorities have regularly expelled migrants from specific sites, leading them to move elsewhere, in a continuing cat-and-mouse game.

Those expulsions have increased with the government’s tougher line on immigration, according to advocates for the rights of immigrants.

“Since last summer, the government has been really pushing to close down these camps without offering any solution for those who find themselves on the street, said Yann Manzi, the president of Utopia 56, a group that assists migrants in Paris.

The number of asylum seekers in France has risen, migrant support groups say, as part of the continuing effects of the migrant crisis that reached a peak in 2015.

According to the European Union law governing the process, known as the Dublin Regulation, applicants must request asylum in the first country they set foot in, and remain there. But many end up moving to a second country. Those who have gravitated to France are called “Dublinés,” in reference to the law.

Nations like Italy and Greece argue that the system presents an unfair burden on them. But France, Germany and others have stepped up efforts to send migrants back where they landed.

With countries unable or unwilling to rapidly process applications, migrants have been stuck in limbo for years, or ended up wandering inside Europe, said Pierre Henry, the director of France Terre d’Asile, a migrants rights group.

“You have 200,000 to 250,000 people who are being sent back and forth in Europe like Ping-Pong balls,’’ Mr. Henry said.

Mr. Macron’s government has increasingly adopted arguments that some migrants are exploiting France’s welcome of asylum seekers, who can quickly qualify for health care and other benefits.

His government has accused some asylum seekers of engaging in what it describes as “medical tourism” by seeking treatment for serious medical conditions in French hospitals.

Mr. Macron said that reforms were necessary so that France “shouldn’t be too attractive a country” for asylum seekers.

Last year, nearly 320,000 people without legal status benefited from a government health care program reserved for them — a situation that has long angered France’s right.

Migrant rights groups said that tightening access to health care would harm most legitimate asylum seekers.

“Many of them suffer from real mental and physical problems, given the very difficult journeys they’ve had,” said Bruno Morel, the director of Emmaus Solidarité, a migrant rights group. “The government says if we welcome migrants too well, more will come. That’s totally false. That just feeds populism.”

Mr. Macron has been criticized for representing the interests of France’s economic elite, especially during the Yellow Vest protests that roiled the country for months starting in October of last year.

In explaining his focus on immigration, Mr. Macron told members of his party, La République en Marche, that they must avoid becoming a party of the “bourgeois.” The bourgeois, he said, lived in areas with few immigrants and did not encounter immigration in their daily lives.

It is France’s working classes that live with the difficulties of immigration, he said, and “have thus migrated to the far right.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/world/europe/france-macron-immigration.html

 

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14 minutes ago, killie1961 said:

France would not have won the 1998 world cup without the help of the African immigrants even their star player Zidane was algeriam

Hhmmm, I think you'll find Zidane was born in La Castellane, near Marseille, which makes him French, not an immigrant.

Maybe it's his skin colour that's confusing you?

 

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7 minutes ago, Scooter said:

Hhmmm, I think you'll find Zidane was born in La Castellane, near Marseille, which makes him French, not an immigrant.

Maybe it's his skin colour that's confusing you?

 

 

18 minutes ago, skygod said:

My immediate reaction to this is "FFS!" but I'll add that Zidane was born in Marseille.

 

Interesting place Marseille managed to take IN QF Marseille v Benfica  Europa league game a few years back

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3 minutes ago, killie1961 said:

 

Interesting place Marseille managed to take IN QF Marseille v Benfica  Europa league game a few years back

Haha, such a swerve off topic, you might get whip lash there old boy!

Just a quick look over the 1998 squad shows 3 players were born outside France, the rest of the squad must've been s**te without them! 9_9

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1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

Perhaps there are a few folks here fantasizing about low flying spitfires blowing the dingies out of the water. 

Sounds like that movie -The Dinghie-Bursters. Starring Nigel Farage as a plucky Battle of Britain ace, who finds himself teleported into 2020 in his Spitfire, but this time having single handily defeated the Germans over London in 1940, his mission is to protect us from the dangers of women and children threatening our national security in small balloon boats with limited buoyancy.  5 stars on Netflix a great watch. 

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15 minutes ago, killie billies pal said:

Whats a Christian country?

A country where the head of state is also the head of the main Christian church? 

Or a country where the national broadcaster  is committed to lampooning Christian faith at every opportunity?

Both descriptions fit Engerland. 

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20 minutes ago, killie billies pal said:

Whats a Christian country?

"A Christian state is a country that recognizes a form of Christianity as its official religion and often has a state church (also called an established church), which is a Christian denomination that supports the government and is supported by the government.

Historically, the nations of Armenia, Aksum, Georgia, as well as the Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire declared themselves as Christian states. In the Middle Ages, the idea to establish a Pan-Christian state by uniting the countries within Christendom, became popular, along with the goal to recover territory in which Christianity historically flourished, such as the Middle East and North Africa.

Today, several nations officially identify themselves as Christian states or have state churches, including Argentina, Costa Rica, Denmark (incl. Greenland), Dominican Republic, El Salvador, England, Faroe Islands, Georgia, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, Tuvalu, Vatican City, and Zambia. A Christian state stands in contrast to a secular state, an atheist state, or another religious state, such as a Jewish state, or an Islamic state."

 

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2 hours ago, gdevoy said:

A country where the head of state is also the head of the main Christian church? 

Or a country where the national broadcaster  is committed to lampooning Christian faith at every opportunity?

Both descriptions fit Engerland. 

Your hatred of England, esp the Home Counties, knows no bounds.

 

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6 hours ago, Prahakillie said:

Today, several nations officially identify themselves as Christian states or have state churches, including Argentina, Costa Rica, Denmark (incl. Greenland), Dominican Republic, El Salvador, England, Faroe Islands, Georgia, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, Tuvalu, Vatican City, and Zambia.

Interesting that says England there and not the UK?

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28 minutes ago, Pompey Exile said:

Interesting that says England there and not the UK?

UK isn’t a country and there’s no ‘church of UK‘. Belief in God (and a reformed church) pre dates the union. bishops sat in English  house of lords long before it was rebranded as the UK house of lords. Bishops are still in UK HoL today. Iran, i believe, being only other example in world where church and state are, ‘as one‘.

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10 hours ago, RAG said:

UK isn’t a country and there’s no ‘church of UK‘. Belief in God (and a reformed church) pre dates the union. bishops sat in English  house of lords long before it was rebranded as the UK house of lords. Bishops are still in UK HoL today. Iran, i believe, being only other example in world where church and state are, ‘as one‘.

Indeed.

Getting a bit off topic here but that is the reason for the "Wee Frees'. People in Sotland believed the Church of Scotland was too close to the state. We do share a land border but as RAG implies there are some fundamental cultural differences between Scotland and England. There is actually a world of difference theologically between the Presbyterian Church of Scotland and the Anglican Church. 

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