Pride_of_ayrshire Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) Can't blame Dyer at all for the result today or for most if his tenure. The majority of games under his management we have been in total control. Today Millen, Findlay and McGowan should all hold their hands up. Were in total control as were we in past games. Less if the silly talk. Dyer's record may not be the best but we have a bunch if basically starters/internationals costing us day in day out. The only thing Dyer needs to do is a bit more toug love on the players. Edited August 15, 2020 by Pride_of_ayrshire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCM Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Pride_of_ayrshire said: Dyer's record may not be the best His record is crap 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 40 minutes ago, skygod said: I wouldn't trust the board to recruit a new manager. Lots of things they do well but they aren't good at recruitment and selection. They would probably give it to Andy Millen. I imagine Tommy Wright would be the go to? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz of the 20/20 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, Pride_of_ayrshire said: Dyer's record may not be the best but we have a bunch if basically starters/internationals costing us day in day out. by 'record may not be the best' do you mean the worst win % of any permanent Kilmarnock manager ever? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, Pride_of_ayrshire said: Can't blame Dyer at all for the result today or for most if his tenure. The majority of games under his management we have been in total control. Today Millen, Findlay and McGowan should all hold their hands up. Were in total control as were we in past games. Less if the silly talk. Dyer's record may not be the best but we have a bunch if basically starters/internationals costing us day in day out. The only thing Dyer needs to do is a bit more toug love on the players. I'll have some of what your smoking! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie1984 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pompey Exile said: I'll have some of what your smoking! I was going to say the same thing! Put the crack pipe down son Edited August 15, 2020 by Killie1984 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Pride_of_ayrshire said: Can't blame Dyer at all for the result today or for most if his tenure. The majority of games under his management we have been in total control. Today Millen, Findlay and McGowan should all hold their hands up. Were in total control as were we in past games. Less if the silly talk. Dyer's record may not be the best but we have a bunch if basically starters/internationals costing us day in day out. The only thing Dyer needs to do is a bit more toug love on the players. Jesus wept. Going by his record he's the worst manager we've had in a long long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo71 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 Pretty sure his record is worse than Lockes. Getting up there with McCullochs. So what if hes a nice guy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesper Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, diamond_geezer said: Clarke’s greatest ability was to get the absolute maximum out of his players . He instilled desire and belief . Exactly this. I'm not calling for Dyer's head (yet), but this is exactly where the difference lies. More than once I have heard Dyer tell the media that the goal for the season is "to avoid relegation". Outwardly, that is a f**king horrible message to be sending. Not only telling the fans we have no ambition, but also telling the players that as long as we don't go down, they've done their job. That's not good enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebigguy68 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, GCM said: His record is crap Difficult second album 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 Just now, jesper said: Exactly this. I'm not calling for Dyer's head (yet), but this is exactly where the difference lies. More than once I have heard Dyer tell the media that the goal for the season is "to avoid relegation". Outwardly, that is a f**king horrible message to be sending. Not only telling the fans we have no ambition, but also telling the players that as long as we don't go down, they've done their job. That's not good enough. So was Clarke's. Small, achievable goals at every step, no? Stay up, mid table, top 6, top 5, top 4, top 3. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesper Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) The difference being, Clarke took us on when we were bottom and expectations were rock bottom. Dyer came in at a point where expectations are, rightly or wrongly, much higher. We've tasted the success of 3rd place and although expectations should be realistic, tempering those is not saying that our goal is to avoid relegation less than 15 months after such success. Edited August 15, 2020 by jesper Fixed months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth lord Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 dyer will take us down you do not play the same players 3 games in a week not rocket science but hey ho wright would be great manager for us bb stadium indeed farcical -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 53 minutes ago, gjkillie007 said: Jesus wept. Going by his record he's the worst manager we've had in a long long time. Gary Locke is on his own 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, killie1961 said: Gary Locke is on his own Think his record may be slightly better to be honest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 3 hours ago, bigdavebell said: Should be sacked tonight This is not working 4 games in , really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth lord Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 aye f**kin really 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Stuart said: 4 games in , really? It's not 4 games in though... It's 20 and it's pish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, darth lord said: aye f**kin really I take it everyone shouting for Dyer to go has bought their season ticket this year, let’s face it he doesn’t have a big budget to rebuild on after years of neglect ( Clarke included) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuirP Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stuart said: 4 games in , really? It isn't 4 games though, he has been in charge for 19 games and he's W4 D4 L11. Now before anyone says last season wasn't his team, it wasn't AA's either but a large quantity called for his head and dyer has had two full transfer windows and is still playing on average 7 players he had last season in his starting 11 and getting the same results. He obv deemed them decent enough to keep but he isn't getting the wins. He can't seem to influence change in a game when things aren't going our way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stuart said: I take it everyone shouting for Dyer to go has bought their season ticket this year, let’s face it he doesn’t have a big budget to rebuild on after years of neglect ( Clarke included) Exactly, he doesn't have a big budget. So we need someone who can get results with the budget we have. Dyer clearly can't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky monkey Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 What is Dyers style? We still don't know. Trying to copy SSC in every game regardless of the opposition is simply ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 Today was undoubtedly a poor result, no question. From a comfortable position, the red card has completely changed the course of the game, in addition to individual errors. During the recent window, the board have clearly backed AD to bring in his own players and shape the squad the way he wants it. With new players coming in, it can take time for any squad to gel (obviously the likes of Findlay, Broadfoot, Power, Dicker, Burke etc were there before). The 'test' of a manager at the start of a new season is normally better defined once 11 matches have been completed against each side. So far we would have expected to beat St. Johnstone at home, and possibly County away, with presumably nothing from Celtic, and Easter Rd always a difficult place to go....so, a 'realistic' expectation of between 4-6 points. Clearly a return of 2 from that is disappointing. Two very tough away games to come, with what looks to be another 'should' win against Utd at home. We then have the Hamilton's and St.Mirren's to come...games in which again we should be looking to take 3pts. I know that AD had a mixed record in the 2nd half of last season, but that was following a January transfer window in which we basically brought in Broadfoot and Kabamba, it was a mend and make do, approach by the board. It is difficult to judge a manager until not only from the start of the season they have faced each side, but also until they have their own players in. Of course we need an improvement in results, and soon, no doubt, and obviously if we continue on a run where we aren't able to beat the likes of Utd, Hamilton, St.Mirren etc the board would need to assess the situation. However, 4 games in, it is still very early with a new squad. Incidently, Livi have managed 2 wins in their last 10 matches,(from the end of last season until now), including defeats to Ross County, St. Johnstone, and St.Mirren and a 4-1 at home to Hibs......presumably that would be classed as relegation form as well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, MuirP said: It isn't 4 games though, he has been in charge for 19 games and he's W4 D4 L11. Now before anyone says last season wasn't his team, it wasn't AA's either but a large quantity called for his head and dyer has had two full transfer windows and is still playing on average 7 players he had last season in his starting 11 and getting the same results. He obv deemed them decent enough to keep but he isn't getting the wins. He can't seem to influence change in a game when things aren't going our way. Have you bought a season ticket? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, gjkillie007 said: Exactly, he doesn't have a big budget. So we need someone who can get results with the budget we have. Dyer clearly can't. Have you bought a season ticket? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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