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1.  SLAB doesn't exist, its the Labour Party, there is no selerate Scottish entity. 

2.  They've ruined it by negligence, ultra unionism, working with the tories, abandoning their principles, and taking the Scottish electorate for granted.

3. Thwir duplicity after 2014 was laid bare for all to see.  They worked hand in glove with the Tories to lie and threaten pensioners, and then also worked against more powers for the Scottish government to the point even the Tories were offering more.

Their only hope is to embrace independence.  But they won't as they are the british labour and unionist party.

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'If ye canny beat them, join them' seems to be the Labour pseudo-socialist mantra.

Folk who built careers on supposedly 'fighting for the working class' while all the time feathering their own nest with ladder climbing opportunities ...well here's another one.

'Radical socialist' Katy Clark, ex-MP for N. Ayrshire & Arran, accepted a peerage for services to Jeremy Corbyn last month!

Services to Jeremy Corbyn?? o.O

They just cannot wait to join their Tory pals in the Ermine Club!

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That’ll be the next thing tagged on by the U.K. government to the GERS figures, an extension for the House of Lords. It must be bursting at the seams with unionist freeloaders by now. It’ll probably cost us about 60 gazillion quid. @Mclean07 will crow that it’s irrefutable that Scotland is too poor to be an independent country. 
 

On the subject of the next Leader of Labours Scottish branch office, what’s Kezia up to now? It would be great if we could get the old unionist band back together for one last tour. The classic lineup of weary Willie, Ruth the mouth, and Kez would bring some light comedy relief in these difficult times. She could step down, with Willie and Ruth ‘stranger to the truth’, next year and toddle of to the House of Lords to pickup her loyalist bonus. Then Ian Murray can have the gig.

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48 minutes ago, Zorro said:

That’ll be the next thing tagged on by the U.K. government to the GERS figures, an extension for the House of Lords. It must be bursting at the seams with unionist freeloaders by now. It’ll probably cost us about 60 gazillion quid. @Mclean07 will crow that it’s irrefutable that Scotland is too poor to be an independent country. 

Is the Scottish parliament tied to the GERS figures? Just when we are considering a bunch of freeloaders paid for doing the square root of not very much. 

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20 minutes ago, Fudger said:

Is the Scottish parliament tied to the GERS figures? Just when we are considering a bunch of freeloaders paid for doing the square root of not very much. 

yes it is im afraid.  They're the only set of numbers available and have to be produced under the devolution agreements (i beleive).  Over 60% and possibly more of the numbers come from UK government functions and they are then generated to strict UK guidelines and published by the devolved governments.

The numbers are a sham, but have to be 'accepted by the devolved sdminisytations mainly for political reasons, but also because there's no alternative and the ability to obtain alternatives is non exitent because of the nature of devolved and reserved matters.

Mclean clings to the acceptance, as a validation of accuracy.  Which just shows his level of understanding is well below that to provide any debate, and he quickly reverts to name calling and telling everyone there deniers.  The inherent issue with the numbers isnt the veracity its the methodology coupled with the lack of control iver the 60% which is reserved.   This portion relies heavily on assumptions of uniformity,  where everything is viewed as part of the whole without any variation.   Its a massive and deliberaye over simplification  which leads to a horrific distortion of the actual expenditure.  This is then further compounded by the revenue aspects which are also distorted due to tax being recognised where the export leaves rather than where the exported goods are generated. 

Mclean is too far gone to realise these subtleties, and refuses to debate on it as he would and has been owned on this every Year.

Therefore providing you understand these distortions the debate can take place, when you accept them on face value and then assume they represent reality and how Scotland would fare as an independent nation,  then youve lost the plot.

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7 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

There’s no doubt that the Labour Party in Scotland are floundering badly at the moment and a lack of any leadership is a major part of that . I also can’t see any signs of capability coming through the ranks . 
 

I'd be willing to bet the majority of Scots couldn't name the leader of Scottish Labour, not even sure most could name the leader of the UK party. 

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Just now, Fudger said:

I'd be willing to bet the majority of Scots couldn't name the leader of Scottish Labour, not even sure most could name the leader of the UK party. 

Probably , and after the party leaders at Holyrood I’d struggle to name deputies etc and I consider myself quite informed . That’s the one advantage of Politics Scotland tbf and the live sessions on TV you get to see whose wasting our money . 

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24 minutes ago, Fudger said:

Is the Scottish parliament tied to the GERS figures? Just when we are considering a bunch of freeloaders paid for doing the square root of not very much. 

The difference being the Scottish Parliament is populated by elected “freeloaders” and can be removed by the electorate at each election. And let’s not forget it’s people like you who are preventing them from having more work to do. However given your previous ignorance over devolved and reserved matters, I’m not surprised you think they’re sitting about doing nothing all day. 

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1 minute ago, Bonbon19 said:

Probably , and after the party leaders at Holyrood I’d struggle to name deputies etc and I consider myself quite informed . That’s the one advantage of Politics Scotland tbf and the live sessions on TV you get to see whose wasting our money . 

The talent pool appears to be very dry. Although that could be said the world over. 

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1 minute ago, Zorro said:

The difference being the Scottish Parliament is populated by elected “freeloaders” and can be removed by the electorate at each election. And let’s not forget it’s people like you who are preventing them from having more work to do. However given your previous ignorance over devolved and reserved matters, I’m not surprised you think they’re sitting about doing nothing all day. 

Would love to hear what they do all day? Seen as you are so informed and I am so ignorant. 

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2 hours ago, Beaker71 said:

Their only hope is to embrace independence.  But they won't as they are the british labour and unionist party.

42% of the remaining SLAB voters are now YES voters. If 42% of SNP voters were voting NO on the big issue of our time, they'd be equally as goosed.  Events, indy ref, Brexit and the conflicting demands of SLAB protecting the union, yet at the same time being apologists for a decade of Tory austerity, could be something they never get over.  All political parties have their day.

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4 minutes ago, RAG said:

Events, indy ref, Brexit and the conflicting demands of SLAB protecting the union, yet at the same time being apologists for a decade of Tory austerity, could be something they never get over.  All political parties have their day.

Brexit has screwed SLAB if it was not already gone.

It nearly screwed the Tories but they got over it by ejecting anybody that knew what the were doing and forcing everybody to sign a loyalty pledge.

IMO Brexit will ultimately deliver independence and we'll all be much worse off. But maybe Scotland will have a brighter future in 10 years that would not have been possible in a collapsing UK.

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13 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Brexit has screwed SLAB if it was not already gone.

This is nonsense.  What did it for the Labour Party, was taking the Tory money in the run up to 2014 and standing up on platforms against the wishes of the majority of folk of working age in Scotland. The Red Tory thing annihilated their brand.  SLAB spent the oil rich 70s and 80s, coining the phrase, Tartan Tories as a jibe against the SNP, so what goes around..I guess.

There was a leaked pre GE report, suggesting Corbyn had given up on Scotland in favour of putting resources into more winnable English seats.  15 years ago SLAB must have been a massive organisation, now they don't even get funding for campaigns from London.  Comes down to cash and the rich pickings of Tory money from 2014 have dried up for SLAB.

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2 minutes ago, EKX16 said:

It's a bad day for the Labour party in Scotland when James Kelly has no confidence in Richard Leonard. Jackie Baillie, Kezia Dugdale ? Surely they cannot be thinking of James Kelly.

With the 10% travel to YES in polls since 2014, would be good craic to know what unionist politicians are in that group of folk.  Must be a couple..of dozen.

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4 minutes ago, RAG said:

With the 10% travel to YES in polls since 2014, would be good craic to know what unionist politicians are in that group of folk.  Must be a couple..of dozen.

At least a couple of dozen. Maybe the answer for the Labour party in Scotland is to be truly independent from Westminster and even getting behind the Independence movement. I don't know who the Labour supporters would be happy with. 

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2 minutes ago, EKX16 said:

At least a couple of dozen. Maybe the answer for the Labour party in Scotland is to be truly independent from Westminster and even getting behind the Independence movement. I don't know who the Labour supporters would be happy with. 

They could certainly make a hole in the SNP support that way.

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28 minutes ago, RAG said:

With the 10% travel to YES in polls since 2014, would be good craic to know what unionist politicians are in that group of folk.  Must be a couple..of dozen.

I think we can be fairly confident that two Labour Scottish branch office managers, including one ex-first minister, are now independence supporters. If it’s reached the top of the tree it’s going to have spread to the roots too. 

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3 hours ago, Fudger said:

Would love to hear what they do all day? Seen as you are so informed and I am so ignorant. 

Here's an idea, they work for you so contact your local MSP and ask them!

Or go visit the parliament like Manchild is doing, and have look around, it's a good wee day out.

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