samo Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, chubbs said: Points wise yes .... performance wise... not even close. The table doesn't tell you about performances though. IMO our performances haven't been that bad. There's been plenty of silly individual mistakes but we aren't far away from the top 6 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 41 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: Not making excuses but.... Away to county, denied a stonewalled and they get a shocker given to them. 2pts Accies they get a shocker, we’re denied 2 stone walkers, swing 3 pts Hibs, shocker of a decision to send out guy off and never a penalty for their goal, swing 1pt murdereell given 3nil victory thats 6pts and potentially 9, that is one hell of a different position, and yes some will say that others have suffered also, but nowhere near the same extent of blatant ruckus by refs imo We didn’t do enough to win most of the games you mention though. Otherwise we’d be cursing a point instead of three. Instead we are cursing going home with nothing because we didn’t have enough about us. County we were in front and a dodgy decision meant we dropped two points. That’s the only one. The rest we weren’t doing enough to get the wins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, samo said: The table doesn't tell you about performances though. IMO our performances haven't been that bad. There's been plenty of silly individual mistakes but we aren't far away from the top 6 I can’t believe we are in December and people are still saying if only we could cut out the silly individual mistakes and performances aren’t that bad. We are more than half way to the split and have won 5 games out of 17. We are where deserve to be and need to start winning more games. Edited December 12, 2020 by historyman 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, samo said: The table doesn't tell you about performances though. IMO our performances haven't been that bad. There's been plenty of silly individual mistakes but we aren't far away from the top 6 Having watched games and looking at the table I’d say it’s concerning. You are correct about the performances. They have for the most part been to a decent level. Look at the wins, losses and draws though. We’ve taken points from 7 of 16 league games. How many of those have we played badly? How many have we played really well. We have an inability to pick up points without being on the very top of our game. Average performances in the past have seen us come away with undeserved wins or valuable draws. This season we can’t grind things out on bad days 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, historyman said: I can’t believe we are in December and people are still saying if only we could cut out the silly individual mistakes and performances aren’t that bad. We are more than half way to the split and have won 5 games out of 17. We are where deserve to be and need to start winning more games. "We are where we deserve to be" 4 points from Europe is EXACTLY where we are. Listen im probably one of the biggest critics when things aren't going well but this team is miles ahead of an AJ /locke / mcculloch team. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, samo said: "We are where we deserve to be" 4 points from Europe is EXACTLY where we are. Listen im probably one of the biggest critics when things aren't going well but this team is miles ahead of an AJ /locke / mcculloch team. And miles below Hibs and Aberdeen. Two teams whom we should be able to challenge. I doubt we will take 1 Point from 18 against them. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc_superteam Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Liklihood is that is is going to get worse tomorrow so pressure now turns to Aberdeen , Dundee Utd,Livingston then Motherwell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieBus Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, historyman said: And miles below Hibs and Aberdeen. Two teams whom we should be able to challenge. I doubt we will take 1 Point from 18 against them. Not every year and not as a default position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, kfc_superteam said: Liklihood is that is is going to get worse tomorrow so pressure now turns to Aberdeen , Dundee Utd,Livingston then Motherwell. Tough run, but Utd always beatable and Motherwell are a bit on the slide after winning the jackpot in the SPFL 6 point and 6 goal COVID lottery. Not feeling too positive about our prospects tomorrow - although thats what 1 win in 65 years can do to a man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 It doesn’t matter how tough the run of fixtures looks we NEED to take points from it if we have aspirations to do anything at all in the league this season. Our first round of fixtures was salvaged by good wins vs Accies, St Mirren and Livi. Some seemed willing to accept other defeats as long as we beat them. It’s not going to be as straightforward this round. The decent teams are still decent. Accies are poor but beat us. St Mirren and Livi are dramatically better than they were a few weeks ago. No one is going to hand us anything we need to go out and take it. Every team in this division is beatable on any day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, piffer said: It doesn’t matter how tough the run of fixtures looks we NEED to take points from it if we have aspirations to do anything at all in the league this season. Good points, but tomorrow if Celtic lose, thats the end for their aspirations this season. Arguably they need the win even more than ourselves and our bogey team are next up.. But If we beat the teams around us in the league, we’ll do just fine. Looks to me like Aberdeen and possibly Livi (under new and what looks like skilled but previously dodgy background wise management) are a bit ahead of us form wise at present. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, RAG said: Good points, but tomorrow if Celtic lose, thats the end for their aspirations this season. Arguably they need the win even more than ourselves and our bogey team are next up.. But If we beat the teams around us in the league, we’ll do just fine. Looks to me like Aberdeen and possibly Livi (under new and what looks like skilled but previously dodgy background wise management) are a bit ahead of us form wise at present. I can’t argue that beating the teams around us will see us ok but we can’t be relying on it. Last week showed slip ups can happen against the bottom sides as well. We need to pick up points elsewhere as well. Seven points from games against teams down to ninth so far is not an acceptable return. Edited December 12, 2020 by piffer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, piffer said: I can’t argue that beating the teams around us will see us ok but we can’t be relying on it. Last week showed slip ups can happen against the bottom sides as well. We need to pick up points elsewhere as well. Four points against the top seven sides is not an acceptable return. 100%. Although the top four have a playing budget that’s multiples of ourselves. We’ll see how clever Hibs and Aberdeen look next summer after reporting enormous loses. Could be a sea change in the SPFL this season, i’d settle for not losing too much £ and being in the hunt for 5th or 6th. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Betteridge's law needs updated to cover forum posts too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyjohnston Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Clayslap KIllie said: Hibs result at Hamilton today just shows where we are in terms of getting results. Admittedly I always expected Hibs to be above us but they thumped Hamilton while we lost. Agree with others, excuses have to stop. We wouldn’t have lost to Hamilton but for the sending off, neither would we have lost if Collum applied the penalty rules equitably. We lost to Hibs 1-0 to a soft pen which may even have been outside the box. Hibs spanked Hamilton 4-0. Not everything in our garden is rosy but the rush by some to talk us into a relegation battle is peak Killie. We're better than our table position and we need to improve. I don't doubt we will and my knickers are not even moist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie71 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Looking at the League table, then YES. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galdunc11 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, theboyjohnston said: We wouldn’t have lost to Hamilton but for the sending off, neither would we have lost if Collum applied the penalty rules equitably. We lost to Hibs 1-0 to a soft pen which may even have been outside the box. Hibs spanked Hamilton 4-0. Not everything in our garden is rosy but the rush by some to talk us into a relegation battle is peak Killie. We're better than our table position and we need to improve. I don't doubt we will and my knickers are not even moist. I don’t think we will go down either but it’s a dangerous comment to say we’re better than our table position The relegation graveyard is full of team that thought that! We should also have had a penalty v Hamilton but Kabamba and Brophy could still have been playing and still wouldn’t have scored. Yes, the Hibs pen was a soft one but so were ours v Livingston and County. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Looking at the table It's a good thing the SPFL gave Motherwell the points rather than deducting them from us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, chubbs said: Looking at the table It's a good thing the SPFL gave Motherwell the points rather than deducting them from us. That's why I think the talk of the punishment being overly harsh are a bit wide of the mark. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should have been punished and that the game v Motherwell should be played. But... We haven't actually been fined any money and if we had been deducted some points and forced to play Motherwell there is a chance we could be even worse off. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillkieBoab Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Three points today and we're back in the Top Six. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shug Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Motherwell and Hamilton getting gifted points has been unfair on other teams and has dragged 6 clubs into the relegation battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc_superteam Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Meek performance second half and we play our bogey team Aberdeen next week. 4 points off bottom at the moment, could be 1 by next week. By the maths I would say we are in a relegation battle, certainly showing relegation form 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, kfc_superteam said: Meek performance second half and we play our bogey team Aberdeen next week. 4 points off bottom at the moment, could be 1 by next week. By the maths I would say we are in a relegation battle, certainly showing relegation form Can’t argue with that at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman396 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 18 hours ago, Scooby_Doo said: Betteridge's law needs updated to cover forum posts too. ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojike and Bod Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 We are garbage and have a poor manager. Defensively as bad as we have been in years. Dyer was asked before the game if he was happy with the season so far and said yes. Utterly clueless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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