casual observer Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 We’re getting a bit tied up in the clubs position of convincing players to extend their contracts which is one thing, but there’s a much more fundamental flaw in the strategy. For those players and agents who decide to “keep their options open” or aim to run contracts down, we must be better prepared for this by having a proper scouting system identifying replacements and sounding out their agents. For Dyer to one week into a transfer window during a depressing season to admit he’s just started looking at videos of possible players is quite frankly a pathetic assessment of where the club and specifically him & JF’s planning and strategy have been found wanting. We have known for 12 months both Brophy & Findlay could well be leaving this month and should have a preferred list of options to replace them having done due diligence and scouting. It smacks of the last minute desperation tactics that recent windows have provided sub-standard jobbers and no-users for us and continues the downward spiral affecting our squad. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Did Kris Boyd not allude to brophy not training well back at the start of the season? Maybe he’s been in the huff for a while.! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, casual observer said: We’re getting a bit tied up in the clubs position of convincing players to extend their contracts which is one thing, but there’s a much more fundamental flaw in the strategy. For those players and agents who decide to “keep their options open” or aim to run contracts down, we must be better prepared for this by having a proper scouting system identifying replacements and sounding out their agents. For Dyer to one week into a transfer window during a depressing season to admit he’s just started looking at videos of possible players is quite frankly a pathetic assessment of where the club and specifically him & JF’s planning and strategy have been found wanting. We have known for 12 months both Brophy & Findlay could well be leaving this month and should have a preferred list of options to replace them having done due diligence and scouting. It smacks of the last minute desperation tactics that recent windows have provided sub-standard jobbers and no-users for us and continues the downward spiral affecting our squad. 100% this. Recruitment model is all wrong. Knowing Brophy's contract was expiring we should have plan A, B, C and D in place already to replace him last summer, this window and next summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 hours ago, cammy2012 said: Who'd want Findlay. Overrated and far too prone to make catastrophic mistakes. This is so annoying, like the negative posts about Brophy. These guys have proven quality, which they have shown well enough to be capped, albeit thanks to calls-off. Any manager who rates themselves will want to work with and develop them. If their recent form has been disappointing you have to ask why, because there's good players in there. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, casual observer said: We have known for 12 months both Brophy & Findlay could well be leaving this month and should have a preferred list of options to replace them having done due diligence and scouting. And you know that we don't have this ? Very few will know what's going on in the background which is why folk on forums make things up or give opinions as facts. The last time we went public before the deal was done didn't work out too well, did it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muza1962 Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Fudger said: Did Kris Boyd not allude to brophy not training well back at the start of the season? Maybe he’s been in the huff for a while.! He has been mince. Good riddance. Hopefully he gets a warm welcome next season at RP from us all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, cammy2012 said: Who'd want Findlay. Overrated and far too prone to make catastrophic mistakes. Overall in his time at the club hes played 141 games, his PPG is 1.5, scored 11 goals 10 yellows and 4 reds if we look at his record since the SSC era, Under SSC he played 64 games, His average Points Per Game in that period was 1.81, he scored 7 goals, 5 yellows and 1 red, qualified for Europe Under Alessio he played 13 games, his PPG was 1.77 scored 1 goal and received 1 red card Under Dyer he's played 31 games, his PPG has been 1.10 scored 3 goals, 2 yellow cards and 1 red so lets compare that Greg Taylor started 131 games for us, his PPG was 1.47 scored 1 goal 19 yellows sent off once, qualified for Europe Garry Hay played 208 games for us, his PPG was 1.23 scored 3 goals 27 yellow cards and sent off twice, lifted the league cup Manuel Pascali played 221 games for us, his PPG was 1.19 scored 17 goals 66 yellow cards and 3 reds, lifted the league cup taking all that into account, would you still consider him over rated and prone to catastrophic mistakes ? Edited January 9, 2021 by Sp3ckyh0td0g81 fixing mistake/ skydog fact checking spotted it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killieboykfc Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, skygod said: This is so annoying, like the negative posts about Brophy. These guys have proven quality, which they have shown well enough to be capped, albeit thanks to calls-off. Any manager who rates themselves will want to work with and develop them. If their recent form has been disappointing you have to ask why, because there's good players in there. Findlay fair comment but Brophy, nah. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebigguy68 Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Whitehall played like a central striker today. Flicks. Hold up. Setting others up and always in the 6 yard area when balls were being crossed in. He’s not the best but he knows the position. We should send brophy a copy of the video footage as part of his continuing footballing education. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said: Greg Taylor started 131 games for us, his PPG was 1.47 scored 10 goals Did I miss Greg's other nine goals?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theauldyin Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Who is Brophy? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_dug Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Rumours he wants away from st mirren as he wasn't allowed to take the penalty today. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, skygod said: Did I miss Greg's other nine goals?! you know you didnt, typo, Thank god you're here ? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said: Overall in his time at the club hes played 141 games, his PPG is 1.5, scored 11 goals 10 yellows and 4 reds if we look at his record since the SSC era, Under SSC he played 64 games, His average Points Per Game in that period was 1.81, he scored 7 goals, 5 yellows and 1 red, qualified for Europe Under Alessio he played 13 games, his PPG was 1.77 scored 1 goal and received 1 red card Under Dyer he's played 31 games, his PPG has been 1.10 scored 3 goals, 2 yellow cards and 1 red so lets compare that Greg Taylor started 131 games for us, his PPG was 1.47 scored 1 goal 19 yellows sent off once, qualified for Europe Garry Hay played 208 games for us, his PPG was 1.23 scored 3 goals 27 yellow cards and sent off twice, lifted the league cup Manuel Pascali played 221 games for us, his PPG was 1.19 scored 17 goals 66 yellow cards and 3 reds, lifted the league cup taking all that into account, would you still consider him over rated and prone to catastrophic mistakes ? So your way of judging a striker is to compare him to two left backs and a defensive midfielder? I am happy with his contribution under Steve Clarke but out with that he has been found wanting, he does bring something to the team in pressing and he undoubtedly did well with important goals against Rangers etc but he isn’t a loss on his current form. He isn’t massively over rated because I don’t think he is highly rated by many. I would say many thing he’s a decent striker for our level nothing more or less. Hisdecision making was awful and at times he cost goal by now squaring or playing easy passes instead opting to blast it towards goal from an angle that would have defied physics if it made the goal. Edited January 9, 2021 by Morph Change defend to defensive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Malkmus Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Was good to see Whitehall trying to set up his team mate who was in a better position to score, didn't score; but never once seen Brophy get his head up or even notice a team mate. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, red_dug said: Rumours he wants away from st mirren as he wasn't allowed to take the penalty today. When folk said it was a sideways move, I didn’t realise they meant from ours to St Mirren’s bench. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Superscot Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 9 hours ago, skygod said: This is so annoying, like the negative posts about Brophy. These guys have proven quality, which they have shown well enough to be capped, albeit thanks to calls-off. Any manager who rates themselves will want to work with and develop them. If their recent form has been disappointing you have to ask why, because there's good players in there. Kept us in the game a couple of times before we scored today and a couple of great tackles/interceptions after as well. His pace is also a great asset in defence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Thebigguy68 said: Whitehall played like a central striker today. Flicks. Hold up. Setting others up and always in the 6 yard area when balls were being crossed in. He’s not the best but he knows the position. We should send brophy a copy of the video footage as part of his continuing footballing education. Whitehall is bang average at best -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepie Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Stuart said: Whitehall is bang average at best Care to expand? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgekillie Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 6:24 PM, Lorielus said: All of them had the finishing to back up their greed though, Brophy was statistically the worst finisher in the league in % of shots converted last season (of all forwards that played more than 15 games). Bearing in mind he also takes our penalties (which he's nothing short of excellent at in fairness), that's an absolutely terrible return. Time will tell if Kabamba or Whitehall do any better. In Kabamba,s case I doubt it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, georgekillie said: Time will tell if Kabamba or Whitehall do any better. In Kabamba,s case I doubt it. I thought Kabamba looked shot of confidence when he came on yesterday. The effort was there but nothing came off for him. He needs some sort of break of the ball be it a goal or assist to try and give him a boost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 22 hours ago, Morph said: So your way of judging a striker is to compare him to two left backs and a defensive midfielder? He’s comparing Findlay’s stats not Brophy’s to two left backs and a defensive mid/centre back. Think you might have the wrong end of the stick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty1998 Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, piffer said: I thought Kabamba looked shot of confidence when he came on yesterday. The effort was there but nothing came off for him. He needs some sort of break of the ball be it a goal or assist to try and give him a boost. Could the Brophy situation have forced Dyers hand into playing Kabamba earlier in the season. We know Kabamba was struggling but Dyer still played him and most of us condemned him for it. I’m as guilty as others. With Brophys training half hearted (allegedly), poor form lack of interest when he was on the pitch and red card. Was Brophy be doing a SOD on the last year of his contract? As the old cliche goes “ we only see the players at matches” we don’t see or know what goes on behind the scenes. knowing this I think we sometimes need to cut managers and players a bit of slack. Remember McGowan earlier this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Monty1998 said: Could the Brophy situation have forced Dyers hand into playing Kabamba earlier in the season. We know Kabamba was struggling but Dyer still played him and most of us condemned him for it. I’m as guilty as others. With Brophys training half hearted (allegedly), poor form lack of interest when he was on the pitch and red card. Was Brophy be doing a SOD on the last year of his contract? As the old cliche goes “ we only see the players at matches” we don’t see or know what goes on behind the scenes. knowing this I think we sometimes need to cut managers and players a bit of slack. Remember McGowan earlier this year. I’m not sure it’s anything as deep as that. It might be though. I think it’s just a guy on a bad run which has coupled with the teams bad run. There was no one else to bail him out up until last week. He’s probably feeling it more because of that. Perhaps in other situations he’d be left on the bench but unfortunately Whitehall hasn’t quite got 90 minutes in him yet it seems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunk Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 5:51 PM, Malkmus said: Was good to see Whitehall trying to set up his team mate who was in a better position to score, didn't score; but never once seen Brophy get his head up or even notice a team mate. I agree with the above 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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