Beaker71 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, historyman said: Learn a lesson and don’t make the same mistake again. Geez peace ffs. The move wasnt in our control. What do you expectthe club to do? Should they just abamdon the deal in case it falls through, or do we move on and look at olan B,C,D or E? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 I hate this hanging around until the end of the window and then getting messed around. The other clubs involved are only acting in their own best interests though and it's a cutthroat business. I wish we had so much money and were such a massive draw that we could take our pick of players but we aren't and even if we were I'm sure the really big clubs get mucked around too. If there really isn't an alternative to operating in the market we're in then I don't think we can be too critical of the club. As fans I'm sure we'd argue we are two or three short of guaranteed promotion but so would 90% of fans up and down the country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Garvis said: What would you have done differently as far as I can see there’s not much the club could do about what happened. The obvious answer to that is have another player lined up - exactly as they should have last season and we might have had ended up with one goalkeeper who was competent. But, again, we will make excuses and accept things that don’t go as planned. Even the manager said he was bringing in two players and he didn’t deliver. -7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, historyman said: The obvious answer to that is have another player lined up - exactly as they should have last season and we might have had ended up with one goalkeeper who was competent. But, again, we will make excuses and accept things that don’t go as planned. Even the manager said he was bringing in two players and he didn’t deliver. Think Fowler and Wright let this play out on purpose to give you something to whine about. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, historyman said: The obvious answer to that is have another player lined up - exactly as they should have last season and we might have had ended up with one goalkeeper who was competent. But, again, we will make excuses and accept things that don’t go as planned. Even the manager said he was bringing in two players and he didn’t deliver. Honestly i reckon if we had signed Ronaldo and Haaland youd still moan we hadnt signed messi. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigYin Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, historyman said: The obvious answer to that is have another player lined up - exactly as they should have last season and we might have had ended up with one goalkeeper who was competent. But, again, we will make excuses and accept things that don’t go as planned. Even the manager said he was bringing in two players and he didn’t deliver. What's to say the club don't have a player lined up to come in on loan in the event the Gullan deal fell through. There would be no need for it to be rushed through before the deadline last night. What difference will it make if they sign today, tomorrow, Friday etc. I'm sure well see another striker arrive in the near future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: Geez peace ffs. The move wasnt in our control. What do you expectthe club to do? Should they just abamdon the deal in case it falls through, or do we move on and look at olan B,C,D or E? It’s similar to what happened to Bachmann though. Are we constantly expecting to wait for others until the death? Do we need to be putting our own timescales on stuff? Listen if you don’t make a decision we are moving on because we don’t want to be left short. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, piffer said: It’s similar to what happened to Bachmann though. Are we constantly expecting to wait for others until the death? Do we need to be putting our own timescales on stuff? Listen if you don’t make a decision we are moving on because we don’t want to be left short. I get that, howverhy all accpunts the guy was training with us yesterday. That puts things in a different situation from Bachman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, piffer said: It’s similar to what happened to Bachmann though. Are we constantly expecting to wait for others until the death? Do we need to be putting our own timescales on stuff? Listen if you don’t make a decision we are moving on because we don’t want to be left short. We're in no position to dictate to clubs, players or agents how we'll do our business unfortunately. A top 6 Premiership club may be able to act in such a manner because players ultimately would be keen to move to those clubs. We're a championship club, so giving ultimatums to Hibs/Gullan/his agent bites us in the arse when we are scrimping for alternatives. Edited September 1, 2021 by Dieter's Heeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 On the TW criticisms of his 97% done deals it's really tricky to know how he's supposed to respond to questioning about potential signings? In the modern instant media world it'd be very difficult to refuse to answer and many would argue football interviews are bland and boring enough already. Maybe the club could announce a strict 'We're saying nothing until a signing or departure is completed?' Would fans be happier with that? Would it cut the speculation to a mere 50 pages on here? Could it actually harm the club by reducing its profile and therefore public interest? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky monkey Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, historyman said: The obvious answer to that is have another player lined up - exactly as they should have last season and we might have had ended up with one goalkeeper who was competent. But, again, we will make excuses and accept things that don’t go as planned. Even the manager said he was bringing in two players and he didn’t deliver. Exactly. Its easy to blame Hibs, but its wrong to do so. We should have took control and put a deadline on the deal and then moved on if need be. We've only got ourselves to blame, nobody else. -7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky monkey Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dieter's Heeder said: We're in no position to dictate to clubs, players or agents how we'll do our business unfortunately. A top 6 Premiership club may be able to act in such a manner because players ultimately would be keen to move to those clubs. We're a championship club, so giving ultimatums to Hibs/Gullan/his agent bites us in the arse when we are scrimping for alternatives. That's just complete nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, funky monkey said: That's just complete nonsense. Aye, because there was obviously a massive queue of Premiership level footballers just waiting to join us had we pulled the plug on Gullan a few days earlier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKtid Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Still think we'll see another Burrell/Ndjoli style loan signing. Big athletic strikers from an English premiership/championship team who can stretch teams and chip in with a few goals. See overall I don't think many could complain about the squad that's been built. We lost what 14 players including a lot of dead weight. We replaced 2 absolute diddies of goalkeepers with 2 that look pretty decent. We've got a premiership right back, 2 good centre halfs and 2 decent backups. Decent cover at left back. Mcginn, Polworth look better than last seasons midfield Alston and lyons are decent enough. Murray, Armstrong look like they offer something different. Hopefully they get more game time in coming weeks. We've signed Shaw and Robinson both have scored goals in Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Travis Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) It’s worth noting that we didn’t actually ‘wait until the death’ to get deals done. We signed pretty much an entire squad over the summer, filling many of the glaring deficiencies of last season and giving us a chance of competing. Honestly don’t think we should be losing sight of the enormity of that task. And some deals are harder to finalise than others; a bit like house-buying chains, they’re dependant on moves from other clubs further up the chain. When they break down, you simply move on and look at the next option, and the one after that if need be. We’re getting there. Edited September 1, 2021 by Travis 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleycouley93 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 St Johnstone have signed the Finnish boy finally, Hendry now 4th choice striker behind him, May, Kane, Ohallaron aswell potentially. Loan option available to Killie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKtid Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Souleycouley93 said: St Johnstone have signed the Finnish boy finally, Hendry now 4th choice striker behind him, May, Kane, Ohallaron aswell potentially. Loan option available to Killie? Should certainly be looking at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky monkey Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dieter's Heeder said: Aye, because there was obviously a massive queue of Premiership level footballers just waiting to join us had we pulled the plug on Gullan a few days earlier. Why does it need to be a Premiership level footballer? We aren't in the Premiership. -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelieveToAchieve Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, historyman said: Learn a lesson and don’t make the same mistake again. What mistake would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, funky monkey said: Why does it need to be a Premiership level footballer? We aren't in the Premiership. So it's a free agent from another championship club? Are one of our promotion rivals going to sell us one of their assets for peanuts? Or are we going further down the leagues than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dieter's Heeder said: So it's a free agent from another championship club? Are one of our promotion rivals going to sell us one of their assets for peanuts? Or are we going further down the leagues than that? No other clubs in the same league transferred teams to rivals either permanently or on loan? -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo71 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Only issue I have , is at the moment we are still light up front. Only Shaw has been added( appreciate loans could appear ) . So we only really have Cameron and Shaw for the next while . If Shaw pulls up injured, we're back with Cameron and no further forward from last Saturday. And we haven't addressed the creativity problem we clearly have 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelieveToAchieve Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, funky monkey said: Exactly. Its easy to blame Hibs, but its wrong to do so. We should have took control and put a deadline on the deal and then moved on if need be. We've only got ourselves to blame, nobody else. What good would that have done if plan B was another permanent signing that there was just as much chance of falling through too? E.g. it would have been a similar situation with Hendry, with Saints wanting to sign a replacement before letting him go. If plan B is a loan, there was no need to get it done last night. As it happens, At Johnstone have just announced the signing of their Finnish striker this morning, so there's possibly a chance of us getting Hendry on loan now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 At least two more to come in via the loan and free market according to Lochlan Highet I'm fairly positive for now. Quite a few Premiership teams who's plans were disrupted or unexpectedly changed yesterday. Lots of players in a different position in the pecking order this morning than might have been expected yesterday. A day or so to reassess and I think there's some good value in that loan market - particularly with players who will be out of contract next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Beaker71 said: Fans moaning the manager gave us info, after us moaning we dont get info. The club just cannot win. TW has already shown he has plenty of plans in place for situations where we miss out on our firat or even second targets. Correct. He said 98%. That missing 2% meant there was a chance the deal(s) might not happen. TW was right to give as much info to the fans as possible (please take note BoD!) and, as highlighted already, mentioned the loan market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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