Bbk Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 We really should accept that a fit Gary Dicker was a big plus for our club he performed for the most part as an important player for us either in midfield or dropping back to the defence when needed. Obviously the last few years his standards dropped but he was not alone in that respect and although we are all hurting just now I'm sure his words are genuine in that he also feels the same and we will never really know the true circumstances surrounding AA's departure from our club only a few people really know the truth about that. So I for once will wish him all the best for the future and thank him for his positive contribution to our club he is not solely to blame for our current situation and its time for us all to accept this and move on ! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireCocard Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) As he says himself words are cheap It's easy to come out now and say the team weren't good enough As captain you need to do something about this DURING the bad times, he openly said the game was gone after 15 mins. Can you imagine Charlie Adam thinking or saying that if it was vice versa? It's hard to say this but he was beyond a joke in a lot of games this season, losing the ball constantly / not tracking back or doing the basics that just required some effort or fight. Do I hate Gary Dicker, not at all. He has been a great servant to us and been a huge player under Clarke, particularly in Old Firm games at RP. Just feel let down by him this season. Particular low moment was him and Broadfoot screaming at Rossi. Edited May 26, 2021 by AyrshireCocard 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, jesper said: This. Jesus, how quick the ride turns. You'd genuinely have thought the guy, with help from Broadfoot, was single-handedly relegating the club last week. I can understand the frustrations posted recently, even get some of the anger, although I never did "get" or accept the personal and vitriolic abuse hurled his way, that was incredible. Now it's all "wish you the best" etc etc... That just doesn't reconcile for me. Edit: Actually, on re-read, I don't agree with your post. We need more proof before sticking Dicker with the badge of "toxic". Whilst we did get relegated under Dicker's captaincy, that could easily have been any one of the other 10 players wearing that armband - we were just s**te, individually and as a team. No one individual was responsible imho. Can't say I have seen a single post on here that suggests that he, alone or with Broadfoot, is the reason we went down. But I don't think anyone can really argue that he wasn't central to it. It is well documented that he was central to the disruption under AA, as captain. He was public about it 's**tshow'. You can argue that he has his right to an opinion, BUT HE WAS THE CAPTAIN. He put himself above the club, and it lead to it being relegated. Forgive me for not waving a hanky as he rides off into the sunset. I liked him, he was often our best player before and during SSC. His legacy though, is captaining the side to it''s first relegation in 30 years Edited May 26, 2021 by bute-killiefan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ipkis said: This was a failing on the part of the board, but once it happened, the players got in the manager they wanted, and we became a far poorer side very quickly. That was Alex Dyer's fault. Absolutely, and dont disagree on the point about AD, as it was his remit to coach and organise a defence and midfield to shop shipping ridiculous goals, which he failed to do.However, TW had 4 months to do likewise, albeit with the same players, and also failed to do so (St.Mirren in both home games and both matches against Dundee prime examples), and so, along with Dyer is part of a myriad list of factors for where we are. Edited May 26, 2021 by Jedi2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) The biggest indictment in that article is that the players thought the game was finished after 15 minutes. If we won 3-2 it would have taken the tie to extra time. Indicates that the players didn’t have the right attitude and were resigned to defeat. A defeatist attitude from senior players is never going to create a winning team. We still had time to score 3 goals if we had a captain and senior players that were prepared to get a grip of the game. Players make reputations at clubs and tarnish them. Dicker will be remembered as the captain that led the team that got us relegated after 28 years as an SPL club. One other measure if you met him would you go up to him and thank him for his time at Killie, would you say you played a part in getting us relegated or ignore him on the basis he was irrelevant. I’d do the later as he tarnished his reputation with his actions and performances over the last two seasons. I can compare that to other ex players who left on better terms that I’ve met and spoken to. Edited May 26, 2021 by MarkyMark -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 My test for how I feel about an ex player is would I want you see him doing the half time draw and one of those forced interviews on the pitch? In Dicker's case no need to hurry back! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Posted May 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 1 hour ago, MarkyMark said: The biggest indictment in that article is that the players thought the game was finished after 15 minutes. Did anyone else think anything different? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKB Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 Easy to forget in his first half season where we eventually faced a playoff he was a standout, we could have been relegated 5 years ago if he hadn’t signed. He of course wasn’t single handedly responsible for us staying up that season, just like he wasn’t single handedly responsible for us going down this season. He has still served the club well, a part of our biggest recent successes, even this season where he was clearly past his best he still captained a team of kids to a very credible performance, one day out of isolation - not the actions of a selfish individual who doesn’t care about the club. Fans are rightly upset with what has happened to the club, but one aging player is only a small part of the reason. I wish him well. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipkis Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Jedi2 said: Absolutely, and dont disagree on the point about AD, as it was his remit to coach and organise a defence and midfield to shop shipping ridiculous goals, which he failed to do.However, TW had 4 months to do likewise, albeit with the same players, and also failed to do so (St.Mirren in both home games and both matches against Dundee prime examples), and so, along with Dyer is part of a myriad list of factors for where we are. So, TW isn't the man then? Who do you bring in? Remember we have 5 signed players and are in the Championship. Not sure Klopp or Guardiola could be tempted. Imo TW has improved us. Just not quite enough to keep us up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme S Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 It may or may not be relevant but what sort of weekly wage was Dicker on? Just interested to get an idea of what salary guys like him were earning at Killie and whether they were VFM over the years? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncD Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 Did well with better players around him when he could break everything up. All of a sudden he’s surrounded by Ross Millen, Mitch Pinnock and George Oakley and looked absolutely guff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Allan said: Did anyone else think anything different? I did. When we went 1 nil down. I thought all we need to do is win 2-1 to remain in the tie. When we went 2-0 down I thought we need to win 3-2. If we had scored earlier or got a second goal Dundee could have panicked. We have all seen momentum shifts in games. The fact that the team Captain said the game was lost after 25 minutes tells you all you need to know about his leadership. Who were the seniors players on the pitch that drove the team on over 2 legs? We looked like the Championship tather than Dundee and the experienced players that were meant to help failed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 Trailing 4-1 on aggregate and the worse team on the night, I had no illusions that the tie was winnable. I thought we might lose 0-5 or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, skygod said: Trailing 4-1 on aggregate and the worse team on the night, I had no illusions that the tie was winnable. I thought we might lose 0-5 or something. We only had to win 3-2 to take it to extra time. It is not inconceivable that with the right frame of mind and attitude that such a result was possible. TW referred to the mentality of the players and Dickers statement illustrates the same weakness from experienced players. Edited May 27, 2021 by MarkyMark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Killiecal Posted May 27, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) Sad to see it end the way it did, massive part of our success under Clarke. TWEET Edited May 27, 2021 by Killiecal Added tweet 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, Killiecal said: Sad to see it end the way it did, massive part of our success under Clarke. TWEET And someone votes you down on this post FFS. Sad bastards. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twonky65 Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, Fudger said: And someone votes you down on this post FFS. Sad bastards. Agenda driven sadly. A bit like the "clique" chat. Broadfoot, Dicker and a few anonymous ones. The problem with that is Kiltie was a member of the (non existent) Clique. Does he get a pass until he leaves the club and then we can pile on? Not sure you can have a Clique with just 2 people... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Twonky65 said: Not sure you can have a Clique with just 2 people... Terminology. Within the concepts of sociology, cliques are a formation of two or more individuals who share bonding characteristics that allow for them to identify with one another to form a social network. Those within the group communicate and associate with one another more than those outside of the group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Twonky65 said: Agenda driven sadly. A bit like the "clique" chat. Broadfoot, Dicker and a few anonymous ones. The problem with that is Kiltie was a member of the (non existent) Clique. Does he get a pass until he leaves the club and then we can pile on? Not sure you can have a Clique with just 2 people... Craig Bryson posted a photo of "the coffee club" with the Scottish cup.....imagine that, people in a place of work having pals closer than others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShark Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 I have not one fibre of my being sad that he is going. He should've been away 2 years ago. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Fudger said: Craig Bryson posted a photo of "the coffee club" with the Scottish cup.....imagine that, people in a place of work having pals closer than others. Did they pull together to get a manager sacked because they thought they knew more than him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfan Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 34 minutes ago, bute-killiefan said: Did they pull together to get a manager sacked because they thought they knew more than him? Give it a break please. If you want to see posts like this in print email the Daily Record. I don't buy it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 minute ago, superfan said: Give it a break please. If you want to see posts like this in print email the Daily Record. I don't buy it. If you want to have a forum with folk who think everything is great all the time, this should help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfan Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 minute ago, bute-killiefan said: If you want to have a forum with folk who think everything is great all the time, this should help. I am too well mannered to respond to your infantile retort. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, superfan said: I am too well mannered to respond to your infantile retort. That's a shame you feel it is infantile, but the initial comment was suggesting that 'cliques' are harmless because there's one at St Johnstone. As if it is close to the same thing. You want folk to shut up and go away -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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