Zorro Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, gjkillie007 said: Out of interest (and I'm not advocating for a prolonged stay in the Championship) but what's the difference between championship mediocrity and premiership mediocrity? Around eight places and a few hundred thousand pounds I would think. Please tell me this wasn’t a serious question btw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Zorro said: I can’t believe so many fans are willing to accept championship mediocrity. Let’s be clear, anything other than winning the league is unacceptable. We have the biggest budget and the highest paid manager, it’s time to repay that investment. I don’t care if TW, Fowler and whoever draws up the paperwork and signs the cheques, don’t get a single day’s holiday before the new season, it is their responsibility to put that winning team together. Get the bulk of it signed up ASAP. Make sure they have the quality and mentality to play under the pressure of being favourites. Make sure we have enough pace and physicality to deal with the type of players we’re going to be facing. Get a real preseason arranged. Stamp down on cliques and make sure we’re all pulling in the same direction. Let’s get this done and back to where we belong and make sure we’ve learnt a lesson so we’re never in this position again. Agree 100%. We need to forget the excuse mentality. Nothing but success is acceptable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 Just now, Zorro said: Around eight places and a few hundred thousand pounds I would think. Please tell me this wasn’t a serious question btw. Not a serious question. Just frustration in the way the leagues are set up. They are so dull and boring. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Zorro said: Around eight places and a few hundred thousand pounds I would think. Please tell me this wasn’t a serious question btw. I thought it was more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James K Polk Posted May 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 This thread is for hopes for the season ahead so nothing wrong in hoping we do well. Reality can come later if it must. To misquote a wise individual "What is best in life?" "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their supporters." Another thing I’m hoping for the team to have clear systems and style of playing the game, one that the whole staff stand behind and that excites us supporters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twonky65 Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 The only hope is that it's a short visit! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalkillie Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 15 hours ago, Richie242KFC said: 19th Century terracing Ayr, arbroath, queens (if overspill) and morton (bench seats but everyone stands up). Nice change, looking forward to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidio Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, DAVE_T said: retaining our budget means not a lot and all you have to do is look at the likes of Rangers and their budget its the players and their performance and gel that's the important thing. TW has a good track record in the Premiership but what about the lower leagues totally different, I'm not saying he will not manage, i think he could do well but totally different style of play as we saw against Dundee, we will be a lot of teams big team they want to win against / kick against and show how the real leagues are played so to speak Yes, the £1.5m first team wage bill I thought looked, historically, a bit low (i thought it ranged between £1.8m and £2.4m in the MJ years, full wage bill including hotel staff was normally around £3.5m in those days according to annual reports) but I could be wrong , considering it was apparently the SPLs' 6th largest this season. It may not be enough if stories of a Dunfermline financial resurgence are true though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teethgrinder Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 next season should absolutely be a short visit to the Championship, remind the unwashed down the road who the one team in Ayrshire is, add a trophy to the cabinet, scalp some prem teams in the cups and boss it. All while enjoying the novelty of some different away grounds and no ugly sisters. I think the average absence for relegated teams is about 3-4 seasons, but on 10 occasions since '94 the relegated team has been promoted straight away. Let's make that happen! KTID 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirdwatch1965 Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 We have to win the league or at worst go up via the playoffs. NOTHING LESS. Every new player should be told there here to win the league. Be bold about everything, get the signings on the media, be positive, send out a message to every other team that we mean buisness. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Squirrel Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 My hope for the championship is the club putting together a team capable at coming up at the first time of asking. The expectation should be that we try to come up as champions, preferably not leaving it to the final day or anything like that. My other hope is that the bridges burned between the club and it's supporters are mended and we can start to move forward together as a cohesive unit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kfcinlancashire Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Confidio said: Yes, the £1.5m first team wage bill I thought looked, historically, a bit low (i thought it ranged between £1.8m and £2.4m in the MJ years, full wage bill including hotel staff was normally around £3.5m in those days according to annual reports) but I could be wrong , considering it was apparently the SPLs' 6th largest this season. It may not be enough if stories of a Dunfermline financial resurgence are true though. Might have been inflated by including MJ's own salary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Confidio said: I'm with Alan, the three of them are terrible. Leanne at Morton v Airdrie last week said prematch "I'd rather be in the Airdrie dressing room." Morton were up 1-0 from 1st leg and Robbie Muirhead cruised them to a comfortable win (inc a fab volley). Big Mans got a point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 Apart from way back in the 19th Century I can’t see any record of Killie gaining promotion by winning the league below the top league. Automatic promotion would depend on us winning the Championship so would that be the first time we have won a lower league since 1899 if we win it ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidio Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, Kfcinlancashire said: Might have been inflated by including MJ's own salary. £65k some years, nothing others. Bargain considering we now pay about £250k for everything he used to do. He might be technically our most accomplished director ever (though I don't know the 60s Board set up). 2002-2017 SPL status (plus 2017-19 as 40% owner), 2 League Cup Finals (with 1 win) while taking on the monumental task of removing £13.5m debt. I understand he approached SSC about Killie job a few years before he eventually took it. 300 NAPMers won't agree but the vast majority of Killie fans appreciate his resolve and determination against mighty odds. -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 54 minutes ago, Confidio said: £65k some years, nothing others. Bargain considering we now pay about £250k for everything he used to do. He might be technically our most accomplished director ever (though I don't know the 60s Board set up). 2002-2017 SPL status (plus 2017-19 as 40% owner), 2 League Cup Finals (with 1 win) while taking on the monumental task of removing £13.5m debt. I understand he approached SSC about Killie job a few years before he eventually took it. 300 NAPMers won't agree but the vast majority of Killie fans appreciate his resolve and determination against mighty odds. All i can say he never got us Relegated and cleared the debt not like the present custodians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) I want us to is improve things off the field and have a plan for the future. Quite fancy going to Greenock, Raith and Abroath. Probably QoS too. Edited May 27, 2021 by Pompey Repatriated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidio Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, killie1961 said: All i can say he never got us Relegated and cleared the debt not like the present custodians. Yes, the Lord MJ era is now written in stone. This next chapter for Killie hasn't started very well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, killie1961 said: All i can say he never got us Relegated and cleared the debt not like the present custodians. He did try his best though and we came close a few times. The fact we didn't wasn't down to him Edited May 27, 2021 by Pompey Repatriated -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Wrangodog said: Apart from way back in the 19th Century I can’t see any record of Killie gaining promotion by winning the league below the top league. Automatic promotion would depend on us winning the Championship so would that be the first time we have won a lower league since 1899 if we win it ? Correct. Even when we came up from Division 2 in 1990 we were 2nd. 7 promotions in a row, all as runners up. Records are there to be broken though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Fankle said: Correct. Even when we came up from Division 2 in 1990 we were 2nd. 7 promotions in a row, all as runners up. Records are there to be broken though Like our shocking pen shoot out record. Must be a world record.? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, killie1961 said: Like our shocking pen shoot out record. Must be a world record.? Yep even De Gea would save some of ours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebigguy68 Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Confidio said: £65k some years, nothing others. Bargain considering we now pay about £250k for everything he used to do. He might be technically our most accomplished director ever (though I don't know the 60s Board set up). 2002-2017 SPL status (plus 2017-19 as 40% owner), 2 League Cup Finals (with 1 win) while taking on the monumental task of removing £13.5m debt. I understand he approached SSC about Killie job a few years before he eventually took it. 300 NAPMers won't agree but the vast majority of Killie fans appreciate his resolve and determination against mighty odds. Brave statement. Grounded with fact. Applaud perspective.Not exactly aligned with my entire view but good to see independent thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Thebigguy68 said: Brave statement. Grounded with fact. Applaud perspective.Not exactly aligned with my entire view but good to see independent thinking. Yes good points made Confido. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James K Polk Posted May 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 10 hours ago, Confidio said: £65k some years, nothing others. Bargain considering we now pay about £250k for everything he used to do. He might be technically our most accomplished director ever (though I don't know the 60s Board set up). 2002-2017 SPL status (plus 2017-19 as 40% owner), 2 League Cup Finals (with 1 win) while taking on the monumental task of removing £13.5m debt. I understand he approached SSC about Killie job a few years before he eventually took it. 300 NAPMers won't agree but the vast majority of Killie fans appreciate his resolve and determination against mighty odds. I’ve given you a red dot for this as it’s well off topic for this thread, if you want to discuss MJs legacy and performance take it elsewhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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