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Curtis Lyle shows on club website, if (god forbid) Doyle is signed as player/coach cannot see us, as a Championship club signing any more than one more keeper. That means whoever that keeper is he better stay injury free for whole season or we are in bother.

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Just now, GCM said:

Curtis Lyle shows on club website, if (god forbid) Doyle is signed as player/coach cannot see us, as a Championship club signing any more than one more keeper. That means whoever that keeper is he better stay injury free for whole season or we are in bother.

That was my thought. Is Broun still with the club as well. If Doyle signs he’ll be 2nd choice and coach which means there’s a fair chance he will play a part at some point. 

He might make a good coach but he’s a terrible keeper. It’s bad enough he played his part in our relegation but we shouldn’t be risking a promotion push with a crap keeper

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28 minutes ago, drmurray said:

Oh for a Jamie Mc signing (who wasn't as bad as some on here quoted), w e wouldn't have been relegated if he played for us.. but seriously there must be some better uses for a wage than Doyle.

Weirdly, the most gutless Kilmarnock side from our time in the premier, finished on exactly the same points as the last time we finished 2nd bottom. And I’m sure we all remember MacDonald was the keeper on that occasion 

 

2015/16 - Kilmarnock 36 points from 38 games. Goal difference of -23. 30 points from the 35 games Macdonald played.  An average of 0.87 points per game. 
 

2020/21 - Kilmarnock 36 points from 38 games. Goal difference of -11. 11 points from the 11 games Doyle played. An average of 1.0 points per game. 

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9 minutes ago, Zorro said:

Weirdly, the most gutless Kilmarnock side from our time in the premier, finished on exactly the same points as the last time we finished 2nd bottom. And I’m sure we all remember MacDonald was the keeper on that occasion 

 

2015/16 - Kilmarnock 36 points from 38 games. Goal difference of -23. 30 points from the 35 games Macdonald played.  An average of 0.87 points per game. 
 

2020/21 - Kilmarnock 36 points from 38 games. Goal difference of -11. 11 points from the 11 games Doyle played. An average of 1.0 points per game. 

Jamma was our player of the year that season. 

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16 minutes ago, Zorro said:

Weirdly, the most gutless Kilmarnock side from our time in the premier, finished on exactly the same points as the last time we finished 2nd bottom. And I’m sure we all remember MacDonald was the keeper on that occasion 

 

2015/16 - Kilmarnock 36 points from 38 games. Goal difference of -23. 30 points from the 35 games Macdonald played.  An average of 0.87 points per game. 
 

2020/21 - Kilmarnock 36 points from 38 games. Goal difference of -11. 11 points from the 11 games Doyle played. An average of 1.0 points per game. 

Weren't most of Doyle's games against bottom six sides? Surely that would make his stats look better?

Nevertheless it was the cup game performance that was unforgiveable!

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5 minutes ago, Harrogate Peter said:

Weren't most of Doyle's games against bottom six sides? Surely that would make his stats look better?

Nevertheless it was the cup game performance that was unforgiveable!

There was no Rangers or Hibs in the premier in 2015/16 so the overall standard was arguably poorer. 

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24 minutes ago, CB said:

Jamma was our player of the year that season. 

Was it the 4-0 defeats against Aberdeen, Dundee and Ross County, the 5-1 and 4-2 losses against Dundee Utd (who were relegated btw) or the 2-5 humping from Partick that swung it for him?

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1 hour ago, Kilmarnock1997 said:

My point exactly sir

It is different coaching a team than goalkeeping coaching. Coaching a team is about set up tactics etc. Goalkeeping is a specialist position and so is goalkeeping coaching. 

Rather than naming successful managers who played few games name successful goalkeeping coaches that have played very few games. I’ve given you 4 Premiership goalkeeping coaches with lots of games under their belt. I’ll give you another one Jamue Langfield 371 games.  Colin Stewart at Rangers has played more games than Doyle. I could find a lot more successful goalkeeping coaches who have played lots of games than you can find with few games. Wonder why that is? 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, MarkyMark said:

It is different coaching a team than goalkeeping coaching. Coaching a team is about set up tactics etc. Goalkeeping is a specialist position and so is goalkeeping coaching. 

Rather than naming successful managers who played few games name successful goalkeeping coaches that have played very few games. I’ve given you 4 Premiership goalkeeping coaches with lots of games under their belt. I could probably find a lot more successful ones with lots of games than you can find with few games. Wonder why that is? 

Fraser Stewart head of goalkeeping at the SFA with very little playing experiencei think. Colin Stewart goalkeeping coach at Rangers had just over 200 games according to the ever reliable wiki. Although I’d say their father was influential in their careers

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15 minutes ago, stewarty66 said:

So he was personally responsible. 

Not the defence in front of him.

You're like a f**kin broken record about Jamie Mac Donald. 

Won managers player of the year at Raith this season and best individual performance. 

Not as good as Woodman or Bachmann but far far better than anything we've had in goals the last 2 seasons. 

Sorry I forgot Doyle had a rock solid defence in front of him this season. And tbh the fact Lee Clark, Steve Clarke, Angelo Alessia and Alex Dyer all recognised MacDonald wasn’t good enough, is a better gauge of his abilities than a fans forum poty and a championship managers player of the year awards. 
 

Larry was better than him too btw. 

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5 minutes ago, piffer said:

Fraser Stewart head of goalkeeping at the SFA with very little playing experiencei think. Colin Stewart goalkeeping coach at Rangers had just over 200 games according to the ever reliable wiki. Although I’d say their father was influential in their careers

Fraser Stewart isn’t the Scotland goalkeeping coach though. Stevie Woods is. Colin Stewart has played more games than Doyle. I don’t believe Doyle is the best goalkeeping coach we can get. Graeme Smith is in the Rangers set up and Allan Combe is at Cove Rangers. Tony Caig has left Livingston. 

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31 minutes ago, MarkyMark said:

Fraser Stewart isn’t the Scotland goalkeeping coach though. Stevie Woods is. Colin Stewart has played more games than Doyle. I don’t believe Doyle is the best goalkeeping coach we can get. Graeme Smith is in the Rangers set up and Allan Combe is at Cove Rangers. Tony Caig has left Livingston. 

It's the fact that it's a player coach role though. If you want to bring any of them to potentially play then wow

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2 hours ago, MarkyMark said:

It is different coaching a team than goalkeeping coaching. Coaching a team is about set up tactics etc. Goalkeeping is a specialist position and so is goalkeeping coaching. 

I believe that Manu Sotelo, Brentford’s GK coach, never played professionally.

It’s a specialist position but anyone who has studied the mechanics of goalkeeping - positioning, angles, handling, reading the game etc - can coach it.

Where being a former pro might be advantageous would be the psychological side of the game but I can’t imagine many of the professional GK coaches being able to deliver that better than a sports psychologist could.

I can understand why people would think that being an ex-pro is an essential requirement of a GK coach but it really isn’t.

I can recommend a book called Scientific Approaches to Goalkeeping in Football, by Andy Elleray. 

 

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2 hours ago, the big ring said:

Doyle will keep more fans away from RP than the fear of catching Covid

I really really really don’t want that immobile breeze block anywhere the club. I cannot see him in any real contention for starting place. However, for folk to to say that if he does end up a GK coach at the club they won’t come to games, not buy season tickets is a huge over reaction. TW is doing well to bring in available players of what seem a decent standard. I can’t believe he will not get a decent keeper in. He’s not daft. 

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Manchester City GK coach - Xabier Mancisidor. 21 career appearances for Alaves in Spain

Manchester United GK coach - Richard Hartis - Didn't play professional football

Liverpool GK Coach - John Achterberg - Played for Torquay

Tottenham GK Coach - Nuno Santos - 20 year career, played 208 games, mainly in Portugal

Chelsea GK Coach - Hilario - A very good goalkeeper who had a great career.

Bayern Munich GK coach - Toni Tapalović - played reserve football in Germany

Real Madrid GK coach - Rafael Martín Vázquez - club legend

PSG GK coach - Gianluca Spinelli - journeyman, barely played.

 

Point is, regardless of how bad Doyle is/was as a player, it doesn't reflect his potential ability as a goalkeeper coach, at all.

 

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1 hour ago, bute-killiefan said:

Manchester City GK coach - Xabier Mancisidor. 21 career appearances for Alaves in Spain

Manchester United GK coach - Richard Hartis - Didn't play professional football

Liverpool GK Coach - John Achterberg - Played for Torquay

Tottenham GK Coach - Nuno Santos - 20 year career, played 208 games, mainly in Portugal

Chelsea GK Coach - Hilario - A very good goalkeeper who had a great career.

Bayern Munich GK coach - Toni Tapalović - played reserve football in Germany

Real Madrid GK coach - Rafael Martín Vázquez - club legend

PSG GK coach - Gianluca Spinelli - journeyman, barely played.

 

Point is, regardless of how bad Doyle is/was as a player, it doesn't reflect his potential ability as a goalkeeper coach, at all.

 

True but if you are coaching you need credibility and after last season that will be in short supply. Not to say he can’t turn that around when he starts working with the other keepers though. 

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There is no doubt that a person can be a good coach and/or manager whether they have played at a reasonable level.

The main problem for me is that we may have Lyle and Doyle with one other keeper coming in as the number 1. If like what happened with Eastwood last season that keeper gets injured early in the season we will be stuck with Doyle in goal again.

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