Prahakillie Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 One of the organisers of the storming of Wembley by thousands of ticketless fans has defended the widely criticised breach, as more details emerged about the scale of the security lapse. Pablo (not his real name), 24, from the Midlands, was one of the administrators of a Telegram chat group of hundreds of ticketless fans who shared tips about getting into Sunday’s final. Hours before the kick-off those who succeeded advised those still outside on where breaches had been made, he said. Speaking to the Guardian, he gave details of how he and about 300 fans entered via an entrance for disabled visitors in block K, and he claimed others bribed stewards to get in. He estimated that at least 5,000 entered without a ticket. Pablo said he decided to join the so-called “Wembley jib” after trying every day last week to get a legitimate ticket. He said: “I just thought my dad is 52 and he’s never seen England in a final at Wembley. And it might never happen again in my lifetime. There were 30,000 spare seats and we didn’t sit in anyone’s seat.” Pablo set up a Telegram chat of around 200 ticketless fans. He was also a member of separate chat group with 500 members called “the Wembley Jib”, and was aware of two other groups including one with 800 members. Pablo drove down from the Midlands with nine ticketless friends in two cars. All but one of them got in to see the game. He took £250 in cash to pay officials but did not need to use it. Last week images of real tickets were shared on the chat group, which members used to forge in their own names. Pablo and his friends used such fake tickets to get past a first security check at about 5.15pm. He then regularly checked the Telegram chat for updates on where security had been breached. Members on the chat claim they got in by bribing stewards for as little as £20. One member said he got in after paying a steward £120. In an audio message on the chat heard by the Guardian, the man explained how the steward had told him to “put the money in my pocket as I’m patting you down”. The man said: “It was probably more than he earned on that shift. Money talks.” Pablo said: “A lot of stewards seemed more than willing to help. We offered one £200 to let five of us in. At about quarter to seven we were waiting for the steward’s mate to show up and that’s when we saw a disabled door open so we just ran through. “Every time a disabled entrance was opened there must have been 300 people who got in. And it seemed that every 10 minutes one got yanked open. And that doesn’t count the people who bribed stewards or went behind someone in the turnstiles. I would be shocked if there was less than 5,000 got in without a ticket.” He added: “When we got in everyone was chanting ‘jib, jib, jib’ up the escalators. We found five empty seats. A family came and one of us was sat in their seat and they seemed a bit moody, but we just moved along one and no one else came.” In reference to video showing fans attacking ticketless fans who breached security, Pablo said: “We didn’t harm anyone. The people causing the trouble were the ones fighting ticketless fans.” Asked how Wembley could stop similar breaches Pablo said: “If there were four of five police officers behind each disabled entrance, that would deter people. Stewards aren’t enough to put you off. But Wembley probably won’t be jibbed on that scale again unless we get the World Cup in 2030.” An FA spokesperson said a full investigation would take place in collaboration with the police. “The security and stewarding numbers for the final exceeded the requirements for the match and were greater than any other previous event at Wembley stadium,” the spokesperson said. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/13/england-fan-who-stormed-euros-final-defends-his-actions Clearly entitled just to help yourself to an empty seat. "The people causing the trouble were the ones fighting ticketless fans.” - Imagine paying hundreds of quid for a ticket and getting upset to find squatters there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, Prahakillie said: He added: “When we got in everyone was chanting ‘jib, jib, jib’ up the escalators So they're clearly getting off on it. Also what's a Telegram chat? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted July 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pompey Repatriated said: So they're clearly getting off on it. Also what's a Telegram chat? Sounds a bit old school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Pompey Repatriated said: So they're clearly getting off on it. Also what's a Telegram chat? Group chat Twitter, with more nut jobs, and help centres for your Albanian Mafia dodgy streaming sticks...*cough* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Reports from people with tickets said that they couldn't get stewards to move the ones that had broken through security, several of them ended up standing because they were threatened when they tried to sit in their seats. This "Pablo" guy is trying to make them sound better than they were, ticketless thugs. Should have been ticket checks before they went into Wembley Way. It was asking for trouble allowing them to congregate so close to the ground. Won't be the last time it will be tried although foreign police will just wade in at a hint of trouble. More worrying is that the ones getting through security could easily have been terrorists instead of ticketless fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, Wrangodog said: Reports from people with tickets said that they couldn't get stewards to move the ones that had broken through security, several of them ended up standing because they were threatened when they tried to sit in their seats. This "Pablo" guy is trying to make them sound better than they were, ticketless thugs. Should have been ticket checks before they went into Wembley Way. It was asking for trouble allowing them to congregate so close to the ground. Won't be the last time it will be tried although foreign police will just wade in at a hint of trouble. More worrying is that the ones getting through security could easily have been terrorists instead of ticketless fans. Surprised they didn’t dance on the roofs of the disabled shelters when England scored - that’s what it all reminded me of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, KenVaagen1984 said: Surprised they didn’t dance on the roofs of the disabled shelters when England scored - that’s what it all reminded me of. I was shocked when I saw the footage of the crushing outside the stadium.... I really feared that there would be folk seriously injured or worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Wrangodog said: Should have been ticket checks before they went into Wembley Way. It was asking for trouble allowing them to congregate so close to the ground. Exactly what I said on Twitter. Don’t let anyone out of Wembley Park station unless they were going to the match and had a ticket. Then filter them going up Wembley Way so there wasn’t this mob storming the barriers uncontrolled. Wembley has changed so much in recent years - a mini metropolis has sprung up with high rise apartments, colleges, hotels, shops and restaurants surrounding the stadium - and it’s no longer just football fans thronging the area on match days. Stewards as usual were a fat lot of use - paid minimum wage probably and aren’t going to put themselves in harm’s way - and the police seemed to be elsewhere. So you had fans with tickets acting as vigilantes and thumping other fans who broke their way in! It would serve the FA right if it has cost them the 2030 WC bid but, money talking as usual, it probably won’t. And other countries will probably be happy if the fans s**t on their own doorstep for a change. Edited July 14, 2021 by skygod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhamkillieken Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 as other have no doubt stated, had the people storming the stadium been terrorist there could be 10`s of thousands dead. Big events like this need better policing (not stewarding). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) I thought jibbing was a sailing term until I read this thread. Up until now, I thought trying to sneak into an event was called trying to sneak into an event. What a sheltered life I lead. Edited July 14, 2021 by Zorro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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