Beaker71 Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, EKX16 said: Is it true that drug deaths calculated in Scotland include all deaths ie suicide, poisoning, morphine, prescription drugs which doesn't happen in many other countries. People who have died of a heart attack or car crash are included if they have drugs in their system. Why not devolve Drugs policy in Scotland and be done with it. And I'm sure Westminster knocked back a plan from the SG not that long ago. They did, whixh was my point, before the uber yoons jumped in to try and confuse, misdirect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Can they not blame Westminster for it blame them for everything else !!!! -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gazza said: Can they not blame Westminster for it blame them for everything else !!!! In Scotland, drugs policy is a reserved matter for WM, when it’s clear Scotland has a specific problem with 50 pence, x10 strength synthetic Valium. Isn’t the Tories or the SNP’s fault, but Scotland has a specific problem. is for WM to legislate, or pass the buck to the SG who can’t act. But Politically, is no way current Tories will devolve more stuff, regardless of how many die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted July 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 53 minutes ago, RAG said: In Scotland, drugs policy is a reserved matter for WM, when it’s clear Scotland has a specific problem with 50 pence, x10 strength synthetic Valium. Isn’t the Tories or the SNP’s fault, but Scotland has a specific problem. is for WM to legislate, or pass the buck to the SG who can’t act. But Politically, is no way current Tories will devolve more stuff, regardless of how many die. What us this "synthetic valiium" I keep hearing about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, gdevoy said: What us this "synthetic valiium" I keep hearing about? https://www.crew.scot/drug/etizolam/ This should answer your question https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/drug-related-deaths/20/drug-related-deaths-20-additional-analyses.pdf This should give some context to the scale of the issue. Edited July 31, 2021 by Zorro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted July 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Zorro said: https://www.crew.scot/drug/etizolam/ This should answer your question https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/drug-related-deaths/20/drug-related-deaths-20-additional-analyses.pdf This should give some context to the scale of the issue. Sounds nasty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Zorro said: https://www.crew.scot/drug/etizolam/ This should answer your question https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/drug-related-deaths/20/drug-related-deaths-20-additional-analyses.pdf This should give some context to the scale of the issue. Interesting stuff. I’d no idea of the scale of the problem until this week, although I had noticed it out and about. Folk out their nut on something all a bit unlike behaviour I’d seen before. You have to wonder how much of this is caused by alcohol minimum pricing, as was expected at the absolute extreme end of white lightening cider drinkers in society, they shift onto another cheap drug. Is why joined up substance abuse and regulation is required, which currently means WM has to step in with a solution to this new problem, which ain’t gonna happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasg Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, RAG said: Interesting stuff. I’d no idea of the scale of the problem until this week, although I had noticed it out and about. Folk out their nut on something all a bit unlike behaviour I’d seen before. You have to wonder how much of this is caused by alcohol minimum pricing, as was expected at the absolute extreme end of white lightening cider drinkers in society, they shift onto another cheap drug. Is why joined up substance abuse and regulation is required, which currently means WM has to step in with a solution to this new problem, which ain’t gonna happen. Valium abuse is not a new thing the fakes started to appear when doctors were told to stop dishing them out like sweeties!as others have said when different drugs are mixed the death rate goes up.Was just out with the dogs and found a small plastic bag with some brown powder in it!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, RAG said: Interesting stuff. I’d no idea of the scale of the problem until this week, although I had noticed it out and about. Folk out their nut on something all a bit unlike behaviour I’d seen before. You have to wonder how much of this is caused by alcohol minimum pricing, as was expected at the absolute extreme end of white lightening cider drinkers in society, they shift onto another cheap drug. Is why joined up substance abuse and regulation is required, which currently means WM has to step in with a solution to this new problem, which ain’t gonna happen. Possibly something like MDMB-CHMICA, more commonly known as Spice or “The zombie drug” in the tabloids. If you go on YouTube you’ll find plenty of videos of people on it. A cheap and effective way to escape your reality. I agree that a joint up approach to substance misuse is required. Not going to happen when Westminster is lobbied by and makes huge amounts from some of the substance which cause the most harm. There’s also the problem that the SNP have proposed it so they can’t agree with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zorro Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: Absolutely this coupled with drug use being treated as criminal offence than a health issue. Long term drug use can cause significant damage to the liver, kidneys, heart and lungs, but drug users are less likely to seek help for these problems as it highlights their “criminal” behaviour. Because they’ve not sought medical help for these issues, they become a bigger risk of suffering an overdose or from heart failure. Take a quick look at a breakdown of the demographics on drug deaths and there’s a significant spike in the age groups impacted most by these issues. Edited August 1, 2021 by Zorro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Beaker71 said: While I am only too aware of the shortcomings of the SNP as the party of government I found myself disgusted by the way the BBC have tried to paint this as "what you get for voting for the SNP". While I agree there may be a bit on a correlation between minimum unit pricing and increased substance abuse that would be the only extremely superficial way I could tie this to NS's government. There is a serious underlying problem rooted in poverty which manifests itself in fatal drug and alchohol misuse and has done for a long time. Decriminalisation would be a sensible first step but would be politically just too much for the Tories and they are not about to devolve any more powers. But for the BBC to use this human misery as a stick to beat the SNP I find quite offensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, gdevoy said: While I am only too aware of the shortcomings of the SNP as the party of government I found myself disgusted by the way the BBC have tried to paint this as "what you get for voting for the SNP". While I agree there may be a bit on a correlation between minimum unit pricing and increased substance abuse that would be the only extremely superficial way I could tie this to NS's government. There is a serious underlying problem rooted in poverty which manifests itself in fatal drug and alchohol misuse and has done for a long time. Decriminalisation would be a sensible first step but would be politically just too much for the Tories and they are not about to devolve any more powers. But for the BBC to use this human misery as a stick to beat the SNP I find quite offensive. Welcome to the "impartial" state broadcaster, they do this daily. Its not independent or impartial, it is a propaganda tool for the UK state, and always has been. Drug use grew exponentially after thatchers economic vandalism, it was NOT tackled in anyway by the Labour Govt or their lackeys in Holyrood. It canjot be tackled by the SG, because ALL the levers of power to actually enact change lies with..... WM. This isnt blaming WM its simple fact, until the SG has the Macro economic powers to attempt change in those areas of desolation where jobs were previously available. WM deindustrialised with zero f**ks givem for what came after. THAT we can all blame them for, AND the disregard they treated those communities with, can also be laid at their door, which is wuy I find it ironic that these communities are full of yoon flag waving hun morons, who wanr nothinf but the continuation of the desolation, while at the same time they swallow the propaganda and blame the SNP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Zorro said: Take a quick look at a breakdown of the demographics on drug deaths and there’s a significant spike in the age groups impacted most by these issues. Scotland also has an abnormally high suicide rate for men in the 35-44 age category. Both effects of deprivation, deindustrialisation and arguably demise of traditional gender roles and / or family unit to blame. Men in deprivation in 21c, much less likely to be married than men aged 35-44 in 1970s, much less likely to be in stable employment, both factors in mental health issues or substance abuse. That’s not to say society should row the clock back, but more has to be done to understand wtf is going on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 More excuses with no explanation of why deaths in Scotland are 3.5 times higher than rUK. One person said Labour did nothing for Scotland and now the SNP are doing nothing. Labour weren’t killing as many people by ignoring drug policy “ we took our eye off the ball”..... I think they may just have done a little bit more than the Nationalists for Scotland. Let’s start with the NHS and work our way through hundreds of reforms on sex, race, trade unions to stuff such as the OU, devolved parliaments and on and on. A ridiculous statement. The also introduced free persons care in Scotland and free University education. It had a small gratuity payable by better off students to help poorer students (socialism in action), but to make a political point, the SNP took it away and help the better off at the expense of the poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, RAG said: Scotland also has an abnormally high suicide rate for men in the 35-44 age category. Both effects of deprivation, deindustrialisation and arguably demise of traditional gender roles and / or family unit to blame. Men in deprivation in 21c, much less likely to be married than men aged 35-44 in 1970s, much less likely to be in stable employment, both factors in mental health issues or substance abuse. That’s not to say society should row the clock back, but more has to be done to understand wtf is going on. Aye, cos nowhere else in the UK or Europe has suffered from any of these problems. Only us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Beaker71 said: Welcome to the "impartial" state broadcaster, they do this daily. Its not independent or impartial, it is a propaganda tool for the UK state, and always has been. Drug use grew exponentially after thatchers economic vandalism, it was NOT tackled in anyway by the Labour Govt or their lackeys in Holyrood. It canjot be tackled by the SG, because ALL the levers of power to actually enact change lies with..... WM. This isnt blaming WM its simple fact, until the SG has the Macro economic powers to attempt change in those areas of desolation where jobs were previously available. WM deindustrialised with zero f**ks givem for what came after. THAT we can all blame them for, AND the disregard they treated those communities with, can also be laid at their door, which is wuy I find it ironic that these communities are full of yoon flag waving hun morons, who wanr nothinf but the continuation of the desolation, while at the same time they swallow the propaganda and blame the SNP. Are you talking about the cowed BBC Scotland or SNP TV on the other side? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, gdevoy said: While I am only too aware of the shortcomings of the SNP as the party of government I found myself disgusted by the way the BBC have tried to paint this as "what you get for voting for the SNP". While I agree there may be a bit on a correlation between minimum unit pricing and increased substance abuse that would be the only extremely superficial way I could tie this to NS's government. There is a serious underlying problem rooted in poverty which manifests itself in fatal drug and alchohol misuse and has done for a long time. Decriminalisation would be a sensible first step but would be politically just too much for the Tories and they are not about to devolve any more powers. But for the BBC to use this human misery as a stick to beat the SNP I find quite offensive. You’re right, the BBC should just shut up, and leave Nicola to have her free Party Political Broadcast berating journalists for asking her questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Beaker71 said: What a f**king zoomer. Always someone else’s fault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 This is a Celebrant! Now stripped of her membership. Nationalism rots the mind and leaves people defending their leader at all costs. Imaging the feelings of the families who have lost loved ones. And the same goes for those trying to wriggle out of responsibility for drug deaths. We don’t have a Government, we have a protest group, with no interest in serious Governance. Thank God they are not an inch near Indy since 2014. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 https://doi.org/10.1093%2Fpubmed%2Ffdi002 interesting article which seems to suggest that to lay the blame at Thatchers door is way off the mark . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasg Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: What a f**king zoomer. Always someone else’s fault. There’s zoomers on both sides of the argument!just some on here won’t admit it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: Aye, cos nowhere else in the UK or Europe has suffered from any of these problems. Only us. Scotlands problem in suicide and drug deaths is acute, and Europe leading, in the 35-44 age category. Yet Scotland doesn’t have the legislative ability to address these specific social problems, least on the later point. Is the inability to act and sort out the problem that’s real the issue. We’ll leave the meta ‘taking responsibility for ones problems’ argument for later. Edited August 1, 2021 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: Aye, cos nowhere else in the UK or Europe has suffered from any of these problems. Only us. So your position would be that the appalling statistics for drug misuse in Scotland would be solely down to the stupidity of the Scottish people being feckless enough to vote for the SNP? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big sexy Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Mclean07 said: What a f**king zoomer. Always someone else’s fault. How do u go about fixing this problem though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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