Popular Post Mclean07 Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 With around 3500 fans, that was a terrific atmosphere. It was obviously heightened by being a derby, but it shows what can happen with fans not all huddled together in each stand. Imagine 4-5k home fans in just the three stands better spaced out. So much better as well as a spectacle for potential fans on TV. The reduced capacity in the Moffat will help, but I’ve been saying for years we need to be imaginative and gradually reconfigure the ground. Last night proved it. 38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 Must have been some close to tears at kick off with “we are Killie” seen an old boy in front of me who looked like he had something in his eye. Atmosphere was superb. I’m not keen on the view but there is a lot to be said for a large support behind a goal. Thoroughly enjoyed being in the Chadwick last night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: With around 3500 fans, that was a terrific atmosphere. It was obviously heightened by being a derby, but it shows what can happen with fans not all huddled together in each stand. Imagine 4-5k home fans in just the three stands better spaced out. So much better as well as a spectacle for potential fans on TV. The reduced capacity in the Moffat will help, but I’ve been saying for years we need to be imaginative and gradually reconfigure the ground. Last night proved it. Agreed. Hoping the reduced capacity in the Moffat and parts of the FB stand being unavailable might allow for fans to be spread out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 Rugby Park creates a great atmosphere when even 20-25% full. Just needs the fans to get going. It holds noise better than the old version. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PrestersKtid Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: With around 3500 fans, that was a terrific atmosphere. It was obviously heightened by being a derby, but it shows what can happen with fans not all huddled together in each stand. Imagine 4-5k home fans in just the three stands better spaced out. So much better as well as a spectacle for potential fans on TV. The reduced capacity in the Moffat will help, but I’ve been saying for years we need to be imaginative and gradually reconfigure the ground. Last night proved it. Can't really argue with any of that. The spaced out fans made it seem fuller than it was and it was a lot louder than normal. When you watch it back on bbc the pundits were having to shout to be heard over the fans. My only gripe with the atmosphere was folk still singing Super Killie. We need to either change the word black or stop using the song. We know the origins aren't racist but that's what they'll be perceived to be. There were black stewards and players and we've got people singing "black b*******" right in front of them. That's no right. 52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twonky65 Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PrestersKtid said: Can't really argue with any of that. The spaced out fans made it seem fuller than it was and it was a lot louder than normal. When you watch it back on bbc the pundits were having to shout to be heard over the fans. My only gripe with the atmosphere was folk still singing Super Killie. We need to either change the word black or stop using the song. We know the origins aren't racist but that's what they'll be perceived to be. There were black stewards and players and we've got people singing "black b*******" right in front of them. That's no right. black means dirty in ayrshire. Simple as that. We don't got to South america and tell them to change their colloquialisms Edited August 3, 2021 by Twonky65 -55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ipkis Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: black means dirty in ayrshire. Simple as that. I remember at Tynecastle a few years ago there was a black player who wasn't in match day squad sitting in the away end, possible Mikael Ndjoli. When that lyric came up, folk round about either didn't sing it or looked very uncomfortable singing it. Fact is, in this day and age the lyric is unacceptable. 41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, PrestersKtid said: Can't really argue with any of that. The spaced out fans made it seem fuller than it was and it was a lot louder than normal. When you watch it back on bbc the pundits were having to shout to be heard over the fans. My only gripe with the atmosphere was folk still singing Super Killie. We need to either change the word black or stop using the song. We know the origins aren't racist but that's what they'll be perceived to be. There were black stewards and players and we've got people singing "black b*******" right in front of them. That's no right. Been using 'dirty' instead for a while now. Round about the time old Airdrie rioted at Scotland's largest outdoor toilet in ayr, and caused 1000s of pounds worth of improvements. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: black means dirty in ayrshire. Simple as that. Not everybody comes from Ayrshire. The club and the Trust made their position clear at the end of the last On Board, In Person video. https://kilmarnockfc.co.uk/news/killie-trust-on-board-in-person-event-5-2/ 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KillieDJ Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: black means dirty in ayrshire. Simple as that. We don't got to South america and tell them to change their colloquialisms You know what, times have changed and a simple change won’t impact the song one bit - especially when using the actual word that ‘black’ is meaning 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KillieDIV Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) There's zero justification for calling somebody a "black b*" in 2021. Let's not let that distract from how good the atmosphere was night though - it came through in the telly like the ground was full. Edited August 3, 2021 by KillieDIV 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetfitter Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 51 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: black means dirty in ayrshire. Simple as that. We don't got to South america and tell them to change their colloquialisms But you wouldn’t go to South America and call someone a black b@stard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twonky65 Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, carpetfitter said: But you wouldn’t go to South America and call someone a black b@stard. exactly. All I'm seeing is hand wringing and my culture being eradicated -32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetfitter Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, PrestersKtid said: My only gripe with the atmosphere was folk still singing Super Killie. We need to either change the word black or stop using the song. We know the origins aren't racist but that's what they'll be perceived to be. There were black stewards and players and we've got people singing "black b*******" right in front of them. That's no right. 100% this especially after BLM and the racist s**te the English players got, Glenn Kamala etc. If folk insist it means dirty then sing dirty to avoid any doubt. Simples. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetfitter Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: exactly. All I'm seeing is hand wringing and my culture being eradicated It’s offensive and embarrassing. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skygod Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: All I'm seeing is hand wringing and my culture being eradicated And to protect one word of your culture you’re prepared to risk offending an entire race? Not a very understanding culture. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wullie31 Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: exactly. All I'm seeing is hand wringing and my culture being eradicated Eradication of culture is a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? Times change, so does what is acceptable and what isn't. I remember years ago, the Scottish Council for Spastics changed its name to Capability Scotland, as the word ******* was being misused in a derogatory way. I was a wee boy at the time. Did I use the word? Yes. Do I use it now? No. My culture didn't crumble, and neither will yours. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy_boy Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: With around 3500 fans, that was a terrific atmosphere. It was obviously heightened by being a derby, but it shows what can happen with fans not all huddled together in each stand. Imagine 4-5k home fans in just the three stands better spaced out. So much better as well as a spectacle for potential fans on TV. The reduced capacity in the Moffat will help, but I’ve been saying for years we need to be imaginative and gradually reconfigure the ground. Last night proved it. Absolutely agree. Obviously there were groups spread out in every stand so the people likley to start or sustain a song were mixed through the crowd which will bring people into in that may otherwise be quite. Fair enjoyed it in the Moffat. Everyone was getting torn in. My throat is struggling today after a year amd a half out from that. Haha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy_boy Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Bullitt said: Agreed. Hoping the reduced capacity in the Moffat and parts of the FB stand being unavailable might allow for fans to be spread out. Im sure once the facade of the offices goes in that it will probably help hold the noise much better than the real back of the stand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: exactly. All I'm seeing is hand wringing and my culture being eradicated Culture??? I think that’s a bit rich. At very best the optics on that lyric aren’t great at worst it affects minorities within the stadium. Saying it’s because we are from Ayrshire feeds into the same thinking that lets Rangers and Celtic fans peddle their bile. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky monkey Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 Completely agree with the OP. Atmosphere was great last night. I'd happily move seat and space out again if it's at all possible. Great hearing Killie fans and singing all round the ground. Also agree that we need to refresh the Super Killie song. We know the context in which we use the word black, but anybody outside of our bubble will rightly be entitled to call us out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pmonty3 Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 Really enjoyed the atmosphere. The spacing actually improved the experience. Great to have noise from all corners of the stadium and just so nice to be back in the ground with a normal ish crowd. Had a feeling the black bastard thing would come up again. Not even a debate for me. Entirely outdated, embarrassing and fully inappropriate language in 2021. For those desperately hanging on to it, here’s my solution. If you and your mates/family still use “black” to mean dirty then carry on using it in that context - in private . I know loads of folk who do use it and it does not offend me one iota as I know it genuinely has no racial overtones. (Mostly my mum and dads generation to be honest) I wouldn’t be throwing it around in public as lots of people will not get what it means and could understandably be confused or upset by it. But for the love of god can we please, please, please can it at the football? given everything that’s going on with racism in the sport it does not sound good. It’s one word in one song. Dropping it is entirely sensible and is not an attack on anyone’s civil liberties. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twonky65 Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, skygod said: And to protect one word of your culture you’re prepared to risk offending an entire race? Not a very understanding culture. offence is subjective. Quite disrespectful and telling that you're willing to speak on behalf of an entire race. -14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said: Rugby Park creates a great atmosphere when even 20-25% full. Just needs the fans to get going. It holds noise better than the old version. Can't argue with that although the loudest I've heard us was in the Hearts Cup double replay game. I went into the enclosure to get away early for night shift but the noise coming from what is now the East Stand was incredible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James K Polk Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Twonky65 said: exactly. All I'm seeing is hand wringing and my culture being eradicated See’s ‘hand wringing’ e.g. excessive display of concern or distress. Immediately follows it with claim on ‘culture being eradicated’ because majority of people find the use of a single word unacceptable in modern society, priceless! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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