Skora11 Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Guff92 said: Don’t see progression at all. What I see is a club spending millions desperately in the hope that one day it clicks. There has definitely been improvement and returning to our old identity. Don’t think we are too far away and got a good balance of youth and experience in the squad. Plenty top young players who could be around for next 7 or 8 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skora11 Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Jasg said: Man U are a big team you don’t win trophies you don’t last long That is true, but also if you see things moving in the right direction the manager should be given time. Luckily Fergie was given the time he needed and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Skora11 said: There has definitely been improvement and returning to our old identity. Don’t think we are too far away and got a good balance of youth and experience in the squad. Plenty top young players who could be around for next 7 or 8 seasons. Aye, just keep throwing money at it instead of hiring a top coach. Everyone bar a few United fans can see ole is absolutely useless and the United squad, given what you’ve spent, are underperforming. Which is good for the rest of us. But if it were me, I’d want more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skora11 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Guff92 said: Aye, just keep throwing money at it instead of hiring a top coach. Everyone bar a few United fans can see ole is absolutely useless and the United squad, given what you’ve spent, are underperforming. Which is good for the rest of us. But if it were me, I’d want more. I must have forgot those seasons when we hired top coaches LVG and Mourinho. They didn’t seem to work out. Back to an approach of managers that will follow the United tradition of bringing players through the academy while trying to play the way you are used to see United teams playing. Ole being absolutely useless still finished above Pool, Chelsea etc last season and has added to the squad this season. Not too bad at all. Next step to win the league and start winning a few cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Skora11 said: I must have forgot those seasons when we hired top coaches LVG and Mourinho. They didn’t seem to work out. Back to an approach of managers that will follow the United tradition of bringing players through the academy while trying to play the way you are used to see United teams playing. Ole being absolutely useless still finished above Pool, Chelsea etc last season and has added to the squad this season. Not too bad at all. Next step to win the league and start winning a few cups. Mourinho won you a trophy. Mourinho finished second in the 17/18 season with more points than you finished last season. You finished 5 points ahead of liverpool because of injuries and injuries alone. To think otherwise you’d have to be ignorant. One week it’s Ole in the next it’s Ole out. What’s it going to be this weekend? -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skora11 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, Guff92 said: Mourinho won you a trophy. Mourinho finished second in the 17/18 season with more points than you finished last season. You finished 5 points ahead of liverpool because of injuries and injuries alone. To think otherwise you’d have to be ignorant. One week it’s Ole in the next it’s Ole out. What’s it going to be this weekend? There was also no long term planning from Mourinho, the squad was in pretty poor shape when he left. He also might have finished the season with more points when finishing 2nd, but we were much further away from the league. We finished only 5 points ahead because we took the foot of the gas once top 4 and 2nd was all but confirmed. You are acting like Liverpool were the only team to have suffered injuries in the season ... I would say most United fans are in support of Ole, the vocal minority on twitter who have probably never been to OT before are those that seem quick to want him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 It's early days obviously there's only been a handful of games but I'd be very very surprised if either United or City are near the top come the end of the season. Neither look anywhere near as good as Chelsea or in particular Liverpool in my opinion. Loads can happen of course, just an early prediction based on what I've seen - the Manchester sides aren't good enough this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 Where they have a slight advantage is squad depth in both Manc clubs. Chelsea look strongest to me so far - miserly defences win leagues if the strikers are scoring. Tuchel has made a big difference to the organisation at the back, in conjunction with Thiago Silva’s influence. Should be a very competitive and open title race though this season. On a side note, and although he got injured on Saturday, Thiago at Liverpool is now showing just what a fantastic football player he is. Pre-season completed, up to speed and with the security of a proper back line and Fabinho screening, he is now freed up to dictate and retain possession much better, rather than play a Kante-type role which is just not his game. Hopefully his calf strain is as minor as expected and he only misses a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Dieter's Heeder said: It's early days obviously there's only been a handful of games but I'd be very very surprised if either United or City are near the top come the end of the season. Neither look anywhere near as good as Chelsea or in particular Liverpool in my opinion. Loads can happen of course, just an early prediction based on what I've seen - the Manchester sides aren't good enough this season. Looks like the oil sheiks mistake not signing Harry Kane could come back to haunt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, casual observer said: Where they have a slight advantage is squad depth in both Manc clubs. Chelsea look strongest to me so far - miserly defences win leagues if the strikers are scoring. Tuchel has made a big difference to the organisation at the back, in conjunction with Thiago Silva’s influence. Should be a very competitive and open title race though this season. On a side note, and although he got injured on Saturday, Thiago at Liverpool is now showing just what a fantastic football player he is. Pre-season completed, up to speed and with the security of a proper back line and Fabinho screening, he is now freed up to dictate and retain possession much better, rather than play a Kante-type role which is just not his game. Hopefully his calf strain is as minor as expected and he only misses a few. Feel like Liverpool are more balanced than Chelsea. But if Chelsea get an injury, bar lukaku they have a like for like replacement in most positions. Liverpool/Chelsea top 2 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, killie1961 said: Looks like the oil sheiks mistake not signing Harry Kane could come back to haunt them. They’d get better than Kane for the money. Most over rated footballer of my generation. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, killie1961 said: Looks like the oil sheiks mistake not signing Harry Kane could come back to haunt them. Can't really call it a mistake when Levy literally wouldn't entertain an offer, what were they supposed to do? The bigger mistake was letting it drag on without a back up in place - Ings, Vlahovic, Dollberg? The defensive midfield weakness will prove costly too. Fernandinho isn't what he was, Gundogan and Rodri are too slow. Again someone like Bissouma would have been worth a punt instead of Grealish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, Dieter's Heeder said: Can't really call it a mistake when Levy literally wouldn't entertain an offer, what were they supposed to do? The bigger mistake was letting it drag on without a back up in place - Ings, Vlahovic, Dollberg? The defensive midfield weakness will prove costly too. Fernandinho isn't what he was, Gundogan and Rodri are too slow. Again someone like Bissouma would have been worth a punt instead of Grealish. I agree about Grealish . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 He's good and all, not as good as Foden or De Bruyne obviously, but just not where City needed to improve at all. Madness really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dieter's Heeder said: He's good and all, not as good as Foden or De Bruyne obviously, but just not where City needed to improve at all. Madness really. Totally agree. If a team sign both Bissouma and Bellingham their midfield will run the show for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Ole out again. It’s like the Hokey Cokey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skora11 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Guff92 said: Ole out again. It’s like the Hokey Cokey. Poor result, but deserved to win the game. Man Utd manager will never be judged on his league cup wins, but would still have wanted to win it. Especially as Ole has yet to win his first trophy. If we had a proper number 9 playing (Cavani, Ronaldo or even Greenwood starting there) the game would have been won IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 Deserved to win the game ? You have to put the ball in the net to win the game. West Ham were missing two of their best players, Rice and Antonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 Last night brought home just how much dross Man Utd have on their books. Even with the Hammers resting their key players, Utd never looked like winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zorro said: Last night brought home just how much dross Man Utd have on their books. Even with the Hammers resting their key players, Utd never looked like winning. Expensive dross* Everyone quick in saying they played a “weakened” side. How much was the starting 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, Skora11 said: Poor result, but deserved to win the game. Man Utd manager will never be judged on his league cup wins, but would still have wanted to win it. Especially as Ole has yet to win his first trophy. If we had a proper number 9 playing (Cavani, Ronaldo or even Greenwood starting there) the game would have been won IMO. 18 trophies bottled. £400million+ spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 Henderson (Free) Dalot(19) Bailey(30) lindelof(35) telles(15) VDB(35) matic(40) mata(40) Lingard(Free) martial(54) sancho(76) £344 million. Weakened. Sancho is arse btw. Offered nothing so far, looks well off the mark. Top players hit the ground running, he looks lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorielus Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Guff92 said: Sancho is arse btw. Offered nothing so far, looks well off the mark. Top players hit the ground running, he looks lost. Sancho was an odd signing as he we excellent a couple of seasons ago in Germany but, while he wasn't bad last season by any means, his form dropped off a lot - he's kind of hit the ground running is so much that he seems unaffected by the move and is playing to the same standard as he did last season, but they oddly seemed to hype the transfer as if they'd signed the guy from his first two major seasons). It's a good example I think of how little the UK sports media actually pay attention to other leagues and to the players within him - I've heard english commentators already refer to him as a young, pacey winger and referring to "speed off the bench", and while he's hardly Gary Dicker, he's far from a speed merchant. He's closer to a Ribery in style (though nowhere near as good so far) of wide player. I might be wrong, but I feel like it's a bit of a shame for the player himself (ignoring the vast swathes of cash he can dry his eyes with of course) as I could see him going the way of Martial at United and not really developing further, where as under Tuchel, Klopp, Guardiola or even Benitez (if Everton could somehow have found the cash) I could have seen him kick on playing more technical football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skora11 Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, Lorielus said: Sancho was an odd signing as he we excellent a couple of seasons ago in Germany but, while he wasn't bad last season by any means, his form dropped off a lot - he's kind of hit the ground running is so much that he seems unaffected by the move and is playing to the same standard as he did last season, but they oddly seemed to hype the transfer as if they'd signed the guy from his first two major seasons). It's a good example I think of how little the UK sports media actually pay attention to other leagues and to the players within him - I've heard english commentators already refer to him as a young, pacey winger and referring to "speed off the bench", and while he's hardly Gary Dicker, he's far from a speed merchant. He's closer to a Ribery in style (though nowhere near as good so far) of wide player. I might be wrong, but I feel like it's a bit of a shame for the player himself (ignoring the vast swathes of cash he can dry his eyes with of course) as I could see him going the way of Martial at United and not really developing further, where as under Tuchel, Klopp, Guardiola or even Benitez (if Everton could somehow have found the cash) I could have seen him kick on playing more technical football. Last season he had the odd injury but still managed 16 goals and 20 assists in less than 40 games. I’m confident he will come good at United. He still is only 21 and will need some time to adjust, he shown glimpses against West Ham that he is starting to get up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guff92 Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Skora11 said: Last season he had the odd injury but still managed 16 goals and 20 assists in less than 40 games. I’m confident he will come good at United. He still is only 21 and will need some time to adjust, he shown glimpses against West Ham that he is starting to get up to speed. Salah, half the price. 32 goals and 10 assists in his debut season from the same position. A Chelsea flop from the farmers league (serie A) is what the British media called him. Amazing what a good manager can do. Let us know when Sancho gets up to speed ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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