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53 minutes ago, skygod said:

It's totally absurd, arguing about the number of people who turned up in Washington.

What is worrying is that he is so thin-skinned and spiteful about anything remotely critical of himself. How will he react if North Korea accuses him of having a tiny dick?

 

Something like this - 

Look, having a huge — my uncle was a great lover and gigolo and porn star, John "thruster" Trump at Bang Bros; good genes, very good genes, okay, very big, Wicked pictures, very good, very big — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the largest hung people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, slept around, did her, slept with her, got normal sized hands, gave them the time of their lives— you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the penis size accusation; fake news, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as American lives are (penises are powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen with them and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the testicles — now it used to be two, now it’s four — but when it was two and even now, I would have said it's all in the girth; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Orientals are great liars, the Koreans are great liars, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed me. Fake news. 

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17 hours ago, gdevoy said:

Please remember folks, despite being portrayed as an eejit by the meeja, this guy has a democratic mandate in the U.S.

Like leaving the EU, it might be lunacy but it is democracy in action.

Plato's Republic lists Democracy as second bottom only better than dictatorship. I think he got that right.

Democracy does not make it automatically right. 

Where does this concept of because people voted for a bad idea/person mean that they/it are transformed into being good?

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3 hours ago, Sandman396 said:

Where does this concept of because people voted for a bad idea/person mean that they/it are transformed into being good?

I think the "supremacy of democracy" our western thinking is based on stems from the US declaration of independence form the UK. Although the ideas come from before that:

They got their ideas about the purity of thought of the common man from the French who used it to justify their revolution.  

All the original ideas stem from the Greek thinkers.

Like jury trial, think about it, if a lot of people think someone is innocent, so it must be right. IMO a real whacky idea. Still it protects people to an extent from the state.

I'm not here to defend this way of thinking but it's what our Western civilisation relies on. The alternatives revolve around having a "special book" to guide you, like Islamic State. I like that even less. The idea of my original post was to highlight the absurdity of what we are obliged to believe.

 

 

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9 hours ago, gdevoy said:

I think the "supremacy of democracy" our western thinking is based on stems from the US declaration of independence form the UK. Although the ideas come from before that:

They got their ideas about the purity of thought of the common man from the French who used it to justify their revolution.  

All the original ideas stem from the Greek thinkers.

Like jury trial, think about it, if a lot of people think someone is innocent, so it must be right. IMO a real whacky idea. Still it protects people to an extent from the state.

I'm not here to defend this way of thinking but it's what our Western civilisation relies on. The alternatives revolve around having a "special book" to guide you, like Islamic State. I like that even less. The idea of my original post was to highlight the absurdity of what we are obliged to believe.

 

 

G,

Thanks for that.

I did know where democracy as a concept came from but thanks anyway. LOL

I was actually asking when did it morph into the idea of "transubstantiation"?

When did we go from thinking that is a bad idea even though people voted for it to where we are now. The idea that any bad idea if voted for is automatically a good idea and should not be questioned?

Trump and Brexit are just the two most high profile in the last year.

 

 

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Just a wee update on the absurdity of what we are obliged to believe...

Kellyanne Conway, chief counselor to Trump, said when the White House press secretary called the crowds at the inauguration as “the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period", he had used “alternative facts”!

In Alt-USA, information is now in a holy war with truth. Black is white, war is peace, rain is sun! Distract and deflect, misinform and disinform! Would it be over dramatic in calling what we've seen and heard from Trump and his acolytes so far as the 'creep of neo-fascism'?

As the song goes, 'if we tolerate this then our children will be next'. The first people I fear for are the kids in school. 2 plus 2 could equal 6 today... it might equal 47 tomorrow... but it will never equal 4!

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

Philip Roth wrote a book about Charles Lindbergh becoming President of the USA. If memory serves the phrase America First was used. The similarities are chilling.

It must make you proud that Scottish Labour recognised Trumps potential and honoured him with a role as a business ambassador for Scotland. Building those links must surely be good news for our bricklayers. 

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16 minutes ago, Zorro said:

It must make you proud that Scottish Labour recognised Trumps potential and honoured him with a role as a business ambassador for Scotland. Building those links must surely be good news for our bricklayers. 

No it doesn't, actually. However, his politics were far less clear in those days and was indeed thought to be a Democrat at one time. There's not a Government in existence that could not be questioned as to some of their contacts in the imperfect world we live in. Indeed Alex Salmond was more than happy to such schmooze with him until they fell out over windfarms. Also, now that we are totally aware of his views, my local Parliametarians, Jeanne Freeman and Corri ( dodgy expenses, family employing ) Wilson have both managed to put their objections aside to ensure his filthy lucre remains invested in their areas. Independent, proud feminists. Who would have thunk it ? 

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28 minutes ago, Zorro said:

It must make you proud that Scottish Labour recognised Trumps potential and honoured him with a role as a business ambassador for Scotland. Building those links must surely be good news for our bricklayers. 

Just had a link sent by someone to me relating to an article Roth has just had published in the New Yorker regarding the above. He compares Lindbergh favourably to Trump.

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3 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Just had a link sent by someone to me relating to an article Roth has just had published in the New Yorker regarding the above. He compares Lindbergh favourably to Trump.

...an interesting article. Need to pop down to the library for the first time in years to find the book.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/philip-roth-e-mails-on-trump

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On 1/22/2017 at 0:16 PM, Scooter said:

Trump at the CIA: "I turn on one of the networks, and they show an empty field. I'm like, wait a minute. I made a speech. I looked out, the field was, it looked like a million, million and a half people.”

Trump's press secretary stated, “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration -- period,” The press corp were not allowed to question him afterwards.

These are obvious lies through any rational assessment but the more incontrovertible the evidence becomes, the louder the perpetrators of the con will scream for silence... Fake news... Fake news!

The groundwork is being laid for the months ahead, creating a mistrust of the Western free press, described by Trump as "the most dishonest people on Earth". Really??? If the White House can lie about something so obviously false and petty, and people believe it, they'll get away with lying about anything!

He's as delusional as that nutter in North Korea.

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2 hours ago, RAG said:

 

Theresa May says US and UK can lead world again, ahead of Trump meeting

 

As Home Secretary, Theresa May said Trump's comments on banning Muslims were “divisive, unhelpful and wrong”.  What a difference a couple of elections make…

...running over to fawn at his feet, will she express the same view to the big silverback or now shut up, roll over and take whatever he offers to protect the 'speshal relationship' in the face of Brexit?

Maybe we can trade in bricks for the wwaaaall!

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All this s**t about having American produced goods - doesn't anyone realise what this will do to prices?

Why does he think US companies outsourced manufacturing overseas. To keep costs down, of course. Repatriate the work - if they can find or train the labour force - and costs will soar.

Cutting off the flow of cheap labour from Mexico is hardly going to help.

Some amount of backslapping and self-congratulation going on after just a week in office.

All these cabinet members who will do a phenomenal job - let's wait and see before praising them.

"The world has taken advantage of the US for too long"! Deluded.

Just my opinion but I think the guy is a vile c**t.

 

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Just heard an interesting theory on the radio that the election campaign was just to push his brand and that he didn't expect to win - I think we can all agree with that.

Now that he has won, will he get bored once the job descends into the nitty-gritty of the office? He is in his element at the moment firing off executive orders but that can only last so long.

If the numbers - jobs, output, financial - don't turn in his favour, I wonder if he will bale out on some pretext or other.

 

 

 

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Apparently Trump asked Rudy Giuliani how to ‘legally’ create a ‘Muslim ban’. The scenario we've seen over the weekend is what they came up with. Looks like Muslims are the first new untermensch.

Then Trump tweets this morning that, "big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage"!!

It's not only Trump we should be worried about, it's the people pulling his strings, like Steve Bannon. Someone who said foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the US, instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies... too many Asian tech CEO's undermines 'civic society'.

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TBH I cant see Trump going the 4 year distance. He will either

a) Resign because his head hurts having to accept reality at some point

b) Get impeached for failing to uphold the American Constitution

c) Get assassinated

As noted above jobs around the world are being lost to automation all over the world, not because those nasty foreigners are nicking them. Also the biggest threat to your safety in the US is the availability of guns not from followers of The Prophet. Once the impact of Trump's shoot from the hip style fully emerges his popularity with his poor white trash voter base is going to wane fast. 

I cant see Theresa's big trade deal working out either but that's a subject for another thread. 

 

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