CBFC Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 It is so disappointing that we are now at the stage that a gentleman's handshake on a deal is now not worth anything. Scottish people are trusted the world over for never reneging on a handshake deal. If what JG says has happened, and I have no reason to disbelieve him, then the club has been brought into disrepute. Could this be the real reason Jim Mann has resigned as his integrity has been compromised? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findis Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, YNTTK said: Brownings the Bakers Respond to Kilmarnock Football Club’s Statement Regarding The Killie Pie In response to the statement released yesterday by Kilmarnock Football Club with regards to the end of the stadium catering contract and use of the name ‘Killie Pie’, Brownings the Bakers would like to address a few points. Brownings first contract in 2003 was a three year deal, followed by a four year renewal in2006 which gave us the rights to sell the ‘Killie Pie’ at the stadium and out with that. When the contract was nearing an end in 2009, Brownings once again discussed a long term contract with Kilmarnock Football Club, but KFC would not agree to this so we operated on arolling contract year by year from 2010. Brownings continued with the relationship (which every year made a trading loss) in order to support the club. Kilmarnock Football Club did spend £20,000 annually with us; however, even back in 2006 that only represented 0.3% of our total business. For the last 13 years, we have paid well over market rate for the catering contract by providing an agreed sum of sponsorship. In 2015 contract negotiations were succssful following talks with the then Chairman and another KFC Director. The new five year agreement would see us invest £540,000 over a five year period on the understanding that Brownings could continue to use the ‘Killie Pie’ name as they have been permitted in the past. Two months later Brownings received a Trade Mark Licence Agreement from Kilmarnock Football Club. To summarise the agreement requested that Brownings would: • Pay KFC a royalty of 10% of the net invoice price of each product sold • Pay a minimum royalty fee of £20,000 per annum • Provide KFC with access to accountants to verify the amount of royaltiespayable • Observe the standards, specifications, directions and instructions laid down by KFC concerning method of manufacture, quality, marketing, packaging and labelling of the Killie Pie None of this was discussed when we agreed our new contract and upon receipt of said agreement, we had no option other than to seek legal advice. We have always recognised ‘Killie’ as a registered trademark of Kilmarnock Football Club, respected their mark and also paid substantially for its use each year. However, having discussed the Trade Mark Agreement with lawyers, Brownings were informed that despite owning the trademark ‘Killie’, this did not cover ‘Killie Pie’. Brownings instructed lawyers to apply for the trademark ‘Killie Pie’, only after having been served with an agreement whereby the product which we have been producing for 13 years was effectively to be put under the control of Kilmarnock Football Club. For Brownings to sign such an agreement would have been commercial suicide. We will continue to fight the trademark case for ‘Killie Pie’, however, until such time as the case has been decided upon in court, we have no other option but to rebrand the Killie Pie to allow continuity for our customers. Thanks for being so open about this.Shows just what MJ is trying to do.Keep fighting, you will win in the end,and maybe more will see what MJ is doing to our club Edited April 15, 2016 by findis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 • Pay KFC a royalty of 10% of the net invoice price of each product sold • Pay a minimum royalty fee of £20,000 per annum • Provide KFC with access to accountants to verify the amount of royaltiespayable • Observe the standards, specifications, directions and instructions laid down by KFC concerning method of manufacture, quality, marketing, packaging and labelling of the Killie Pie No wonder Brownings have packed up. The club have stopped just short of asking for the Brownings business to be signed over to MJ and BB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, piffer said: • Pay KFC a royalty of 10% of the net invoice price of each product sold • Pay a minimum royalty fee of £20,000 per annum • Provide KFC with access to accountants to verify the amount of royaltiespayable • Observe the standards, specifications, directions and instructions laid down by KFC concerning method of manufacture, quality, marketing, packaging and labelling of the Killie Pie No wonder Brownings have packed up. The club have stopped just short of asking for the Brownings business to be signed over to MJ and BB. It sounds more like the club was trying to provoke the reaction which has ensued, for whatever reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caltonkid Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Absolutely shocking behaviour from "our" football club - best of luck to John and Brownings, thankfully i'm still NAPM and will remain so until MJ and BB leave our club .... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 45 minutes ago, King said: Well I would say that's pretty transparent, YNTTK. I hope someone asks Johnston about his Fiduciary Duty regarding his treatment of an agreed deal at the AGM. You better believe it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 The board of directors (MJ and BB) should hang their heads in shame. They'll not be happy until there's no support left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Sounds to me like this was provoked by MJ as he wanted to give the business to his hotel. For me personally it was all about the Rangers title winning game. I was in the East Stand that day and that was when what you might call "aggressive pursuit of profit" moved over to criminal negligence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiegh Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 What a way to treat a good sponsor of Killie. Surely MJ could have worked with Brownings to get a mutually agreed contract. I say MJ as its him that seems to be pulling all the strings. Mr Bowie it's time you grew a pair of balls and sorted this mess out, we are getting dragged through the mud daily by Captain Calamity and the good name of our football club, or what is left of it, is being destroyed. For god sake wise up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optomally Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Well done John Gall. Got to applaud you for the transparency as you did not need to do that. We are in bad shape and with this cretin at the helm we have no chance. I fear things will get a lot worse before they get better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdodge Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 The only real "Pie" in all of this is MJ the "Silly Pie".....What a "Pie" he really is. I am quite sure he'd sue his own family if they wanted to say they were having a night out in Killie...... What next? The Town of Rugby has to change it's name to something else as it is an infringement on the Intellectual Property that is "Rugby" Park. "Residents of Rugby Road are up in arms as they now have to say they stay in Rode Road Next to Rugby park".....Rode as in how we all feel. "Rugby" belongs to MJ......so you can no longer have the Rugby World Cup or Rugby League. He is an absolute imposter of a human being who should just be writing blank cheques to himself..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Surely in court this has little to do with the KFC Killie Pie - more the Killie name itself. It's clear from Burns work and the local vernacular; Killie is shorthand for Kilmarnock - it's got f*ck all to do with Football - except KFC also own the name "Kille Pie" ? Can a Football Club stop a a baker from |Kilmarnock calling their Pie a "Killie Pie"? Should the football club be able to Trademark the place name of the Town for reasons beyond football? I don't think they should and as such, trademarking the name "Killie" denies others use of what's theres (beyond the football team). Edited April 15, 2016 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 M j voting for his own company to win catering contract??? Is that not a CONFLICT OF INTEREST 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puss fae The Kadi Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Why does the man who sold the club into this chaos never get shamed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 John. If u have to rebrand , what about a kiltie pie? Same packaging but with a Wee kilted Scotsman (in killie tartan) on the box . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1killiefan Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, Bobby said: M j voting for his own company to win catering contract??? Is that not a CONFLICT OF INTEREST Blatant! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcilroy56 Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 36 minutes ago, Bobby said: John. If u have to rebrand , what about a kiltie pie? Same packaging but with a Wee kilted Scotsman (in killie tartan) on the box . John Kiltie, Director may have trademarked that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 As said above this seems like a blatant conflict of interests from some of the directors and looks to have been a complete stitch up since the debt restructure. Is there any scope for some sort of independent audit or enquiry into what has happened in the last couple of years to expose the underhand tactics we believe have been employed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, piffer said: As said above this seems like a blatant conflict of interests from some of the directors and looks to have been a complete stitch up since the debt restructure. Is there any scope for some sort of independent audit or enquiry into what has happened in the last couple of years to expose the underhand tactics we believe have been employed. I disagree. I think it's all to do with whether, "Killie" is a word that can be placed on products other than those licensed by KFC. Obviously "Killie" is the local vernacular, but MJ knows his beans.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Interesting part of JG's statement that the Killie Pie was 'nothing before 2003' as,if memory serves,W.W Wales won awards for their product,sold at RP prior to that. That aside,yes clearly the issue,yet again is the handling of the whole affair by MJ. No comment yet again in public ,from Bowie. In a wider sense,agree about the 'product' in this case the pie,being irrelevant,but rather the spat with a local business,played out in public,rather than being settled,properly behind closed doors...though of course,the subsequent tender process for future business should certainly be transparent,and plays out poorly,to say the least,if it simply passes to the hotel as supplier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm no expert in legal maters. But. Surely MJ & BB can't award the contract for catering to themselves? It would not be allowed to happen in any other industry . IT MUST GO TO TENDER. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Playing Devils advocate here guys but would 98 & 99 not be before Brownings were involved. Killie Pie existed before Brownings made theirs. See below. KFC were also well known for their Killie Pie long before 98 & W.W.Wales. A Killie pie or Kilmarnock pie is a type of pie sold at Rugby Park, the home ground of association football team Kilmarnock F.C.. It is somewhat unique in that it is a steak pie and not a Scotch pie, the type of pie associated with football in Scotland.[1] History It won the award for best pie in football two years running in 1998 and 1999,[2] and attracted quite a reputation amongst away fans for its quality. [3] It is made by Brownings The Bakers of Kilmarnock.[4 Edited April 15, 2016 by harley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 27 minutes ago, Brianstorm said: If killie played celtic this weekend and won 10-0 half the folk that's lost their minds about this pie s**t wouldn't even give a f**k. You need to learn to look at the bigger picture mate. It ain't about a pie. And the chances of us beating anyone 10-0 is nonexistent until we sort out the root cause of the clubs problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 6 hours ago, Brianstorm said: If killie played celtic this weekend and won 10-0 half the folk that's lost their minds about this pie s**t wouldn't even give a f**k. If you think this is about a pie then you are gravely mistaken. If we won a cup tomorrow I'd still have the same huge concerns about how the club is being allowed to be run into the ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdodge Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 or what about Steak Pie "The Kilmarnock Edition" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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