Say Bye - To a Killie Pie?

[KillieBantam]

"I put it to you John Gall that you are a thieving @rsehole"

[Candygram for mongo]

52 minutes ago, KillieBantam said:

"I put it to you John Gall that you are a thieving @rsehole"

There's no need for that. Mr Gall seems to me to be a passionate Killie fan and doesn't deserve that kind of abuse. 

[bKb]

1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

He never does anything to help himself does he?

have to disagree with you there gdevoy.

he has no problem helping himself and can now help himself as he pleases.

even Billy Bowie seems to be under him, and he has spent millions on us.

think I need my blood pressure checked again this week. THANKS MJ!!

[Al#1]

2 minutes ago, david mcbeth said:

First of all apologies to PrahaKillie and Skydog - I missed the list of trademark classes earlier in the thread.

At the same time I still think claiming "Killie" as a trademark for anything is as weak as water. It's like trade-marking  "Brum" or "Toon" or "glesga" and I think anyone challenging it would succeed easily.

 

i agree. the whole "killie" trademark is a joke. perhaps a 'class action' of everyone in Killie against the clown would bankrupt him and we will have our club.  one man can not trade mark the name of the town for his own personal profit. it would be interesting  if someone can start to find evidence of the name of the town as "Killie" prior to 1869 or in clear context outwith the football club.

[Wrangodog]

It is Michael's fault that we've alienated our support.

We are a small club, we need a chairman that stands up for the club and it's supporters, not somebody that can't understand why we would be upset by the Rangers title party fiasco, the cheaper tickets for Celtic deal, the shambolic season-ticket card introduction, the latest early season-ticket deal that is shrouded in secrecy, and opening the sports bar early for an Old Firm game.

 

[Mcilroy56]

28 minutes ago, Al#1 said:

i agree. the whole "killie" trademark is a joke. perhaps a 'class action' of everyone in Killie against the clown would bankrupt him and we will have our club.  one man can not trade mark the name of the town for his own personal profit. it would be interesting  if someone can start to find evidence of the name of the town as "Killie" prior to 1869 or in clear context outwith the football club.

Sure you will see it mentioned in at least 4 of Robert Burns poems

[a1killiefan]

25 minutes ago, Al#1 said:

i agree. the whole "killie" trademark is a joke. perhaps a 'class action' of everyone in Killie against the clown would bankrupt him and we will have our club.  one man can not trade mark the name of the town for his own personal profit. it would be interesting  if someone can start to find evidence of the name of the town as "Killie" prior to 1869 or in clear context outwith the football club.

 

"Go, Fame an' canter like a filly thro' a' the streets and neuks o' Killie"

(c) Robert Burns

 

We even used Go Fame as the title of the 100th anniversary book.

Watch out MJ, Burn's family may be after you!

[bKb]

YE sons of old Killie

YE sons of old Killie, assembled by Willie,
To follow the noble vocation;
Your thrifty old mother has scarce such another
To sit in that honoured station.
I've little to say, but only to pray,
As praying's the ton of your fashion;
A prayer from thee Muse you well may excuse
'Tis seldom her favourite passion.


Ye powers who preside o'er the wind, and the tide,
Who markèd each element's border;
Who formed this frame with beneficent aim,
Whose sovereign statute is order:—
Within this dear mansion, may wayward Contention
Or witherèd Envy ne'er enter;
May secrecy round be the mystical bound,
And brotherly Love be the centre! 

[Mcilroy56]

9 minutes ago, a1killiefan said:

 

"Go, Fame an' canter like a filly thro' a' the streets and neuks o' Killie"

(c) Robert Burns

 

We even used Go Fame as the title of the 100th anniversary book.

Watch out MJ, Burn's family may be after you!

That's probably the most well known, but if in certain circles you have :

Ye sons of old Killie, assembled by Willie (Masonic Song)

The Inventory - My hand ahin a weel gaun fillie, That aft has borne me hame frae Killie

 

[Al#1]

Excellent -pretty conclusive evidence.  lets go on the the front foot and sue him.

 

[bKb]

The fact remains that MJ has copyright on the name regarding the club, strips, pies etc

hes a lawyer and probably knows he will win.

its just one more instance of him pissing off and in turn losing even more fans, we will get angry about it and then it will pass till he does it again.

hes even managed two for the price of one this week

[skygod]

The club may be in the right legally (I would rather defer to lawyers specialising in trademarking though) but, as I've said, I don't know why the club is picking the fight or what they have to win.

They are probably keen to avoid a precedent being set but, really.... If we didn't have a lawyer, and a vindictive one, in charge would we be taking this course of action? 

We have bigger fish to fry and any victory will be a Pyrrhic one due to the knock-on impact of local firms shunning the club.

  

[Squirrelhumper]

He's going nowhere without lining his own pockets. 

Our best hope is administration i fear. This means he'll get whatever the administrator gives him and we get rid of the man that has dragged the club to new depths. 

I wonder how he sleeps at night but then again i'm sure he manages fine. He's still on the gravy train and another year closer to retirement. 

 

[Mcilroy56]

I stummled cross thon place by luck, av got whit a want so a don't give a f**k,

got muckle rooms tae rest ma heid, the pricks will curse me till am deid,

Thae followers frae Killie I do despise, I think I'll sue the c.nt who maks them bananas,

If I had a freend it mae gae me a glimmer, f**k that all I needs a mirror.

Not sure where this excerpt is from, but don't think it has any link with anyone current.

 

 

 

[Zorro]

There's no chance of us going into administration before the ground has been sold. Maybe not even after that. We might be looking at the L word. 

[Wrangodog]

[CBFC]

5 hours ago, gdevoy said:

 (See "using KFC meeja to market an Infirm event" on the sportsbar thread.)

 

You are assuming he knew about it before it was posted!

[kev1869]

2 hours ago, skygod said:

The club may be in the right legally (I would rather defer to lawyers specialising in trademarking though) but, as I've said, I don't know why the club is picking the fight or what they have to win.

They are probably keen to avoid a precedent being set but, really.... If we didn't have a lawyer, and a vindictive one, in charge would we be taking this course of action? 

We have bigger fish to fry and any victory will be a Pyrrhic one due to the knock-on impact of local firms shunning the club.

  

If they don't defend their trademarks, they lose them. It may seem yawn-worthy, but it's important to rights holders none the less, and for very good reason. I get it seems like a very petty fight right now, but from the club's perspective, and any rights holders for that matter, even skirmishes are a big deal. You have to be proactive in asserting your rights.

I get it. I don't like MJ either. The club would objectively be better of without him meddling. 100%. His actions in the past have been at times ill-advised, self-serving, and in some cases, downright spiteful, but that doesn't mean he, or more importantly the club, should be compelled to give up their legal rights. Certainly, looking past MJ (difficult, I know), I don't think I'd be too happy with the club giving up what is 100% unequivocally theirs by law (and holds the potential to bring income to the club in the future, if exploited more fully*) simply because the fight isn't worth it right now, or the other side are good guys.

As some has expressed, I also think the action may have negative (short-term, at least) effect on how small, local businesses deal with the club and this whole situation would've been much better for all had it been sorted behind closed doors like adults. I suspect the club are probably more to blame for that not transpiring than Browning's. It's a s**tty situation all around, and best case this never flares up, but it did. Egos are a bitch. However, I still believe and support the club's right to protect its property, and this trademark is one such item. I don't particularly like standing behind the sorry shower that fill out the boardroom, but I'm equally not going to be ruled solely by emotion and my hatred on any individual, to so blind myself to the plain facts of the matter.

It can be hard divorcing personalities from the club, especially when this whole situation seems to be predicated upon one personality in particular, I get that, but this is one of those dissatisfying situations where you have to lump it, not like it. Losing this trademark or simply giving it up does not hurt or affect MJ in any way whatsoever, it only weakens the club. Perhaps not by much, and not enough that you consider it a big deal, but it's another chip away at the club and its standing. 

I like my nose where it is, and no amount of spite is going to change that.

 

 

* Yeah, yeah, talk about the club being crap at this sort of thing, so what's the point, blah blah. In 10 years will we still have an incompetent board? Might be nice then to have exploitable trademarks we could use that would benefit the club. It's not necessarily about doing something new with those trademarks now (though we will undoubtedly brand the next matchday pie the new "Killie Pie" lest it lapse into potentially, though unlikely, actionable disuse), but protecting the club's legal right to do so at a future time of our choosing.

Edited April 14, 2016 by kev1869

[Prahakillie]

4 hours ago, david mcbeth said:

First of all apologies to PrahaKillie and Skydog - I missed the list of trademark classes earlier in the thread.

At the same time I still think claiming "Killie" as a trademark for anything is as weak as water. It's like trade-marking  "Brum" or "Toon" or "glesga" and I think anyone challenging it would succeed easily.

 

I don't think it is a joke. From the wording it is a clear attempt to protect the clubs interests when the word Killie is used in association with items which may be connected with the club.

 

[Beaker71]

28 minutes ago, Prahakillie said:

I don't think it is a joke. From the wording it is a clear attempt to protect the clubs interests when the word Killie is used in association with items which may be connected with the club.

 

So one question - why were the trademarks taken out MJ and not the club?  This has sod all to do with the club and is all about one man and his wallet. 

I also concur that Killie is not a name solely attributable to the club, but a larger geographical area, and has fck all chance of standing up in court.

It is a ridiculous waste of energy at a time when the whole club and its supporters (fans and business) need to pull in one direction to assist as much as possible out fight to stay in the Premiership.

MJ is an utter self serving mungbean, who has presided over a massive clusterf**k for the last umpteen years.

[a1killiefan]

Might have missed this but who fired the first shot?

Did we tell them we were ending the contract and they retaliated by claiming the name?

Or did they file the claim and we then told them the contact was being terminated?

[baz]

John told them (3 directors) he wanted to trademark the name Killie Pie to safeguard the money they invested building the brand, because you never know who might get control of a football club, apparently any arsehole these days. They shook on a deal worth £120k (money for nothing, chicks for free) which was reneged on at the last minute. The rest is pretty much documented in the newspaper articles. We can argue until we are blue in the face about who should own the name Killie, I'm in the camp that any challenge will blow the whole trademark out of the water and leave us wide open going forward to anyone using the name for anything because any lawyer worth his salt can refer to working practice and the town 'owning' the name first. Should a court of law rule different however then we just have to accept that...to be honest it won't matter a fig, people will still call it a Killie Pie and we get the grand total of feck all for it...apart from some legal bills from Burness Paull who are not what you'd call a cheap option (but very good lawyers).

[a1killiefan]

33 minutes ago, baz said:

John told them (3 directors) he wanted to trademark the name Killie Pie to safeguard the money they invested building the brand, because you never know who might get control of a football club, apparently any arsehole these days. They shook on a deal worth £120k (money for nothing, chicks for free) which was reneged on at the last minute. The rest is pretty much documented in the newspaper articles. We can argue until we are blue in the face about who should own the name Killie, I'm in the camp that any challenge will blow the whole trademark out of the water and leave us wide open going forward to anyone using the name for anything because any lawyer worth his salt can refer to working practice and the town 'owning' the name first. Should a court of law rule different however then we just have to accept that...to be honest it won't matter a fig, people will still call it a Killie Pie and we get the grand total of feck all for it...apart from some legal bills from Burness Paull who are not what you'd call a cheap option (but very good lawyers).

Cheers Baz.

[baz]

Latest statement is a total insult to our intelligence...

 

As I already replied on social media (can't be arsed typing it again)...

I have seen it all now. If the players are going to be bothered about who owns the name Killie Pie I would suggest that they maybe in the wrong game. This is pathetic attempt by the club to use the current situation that THEY got us into to sweep yet another f**k up under the carpet. Lower than a snakes belly to try and win favour by highlighting that we are on the verge of relegation. Telling us where to focus our energy indeed. 'Don't look at us, look at that big piling steam of s**te we've delivered to you'. Thanks but I don't need these cretins telling me how to support the team...asset stripping and personal gain at the club's expense is not on my agenda.

You couldn't make this s**t up...playing right into the barrow of those fans who are bleating about how we can't manage to support the team 100% on a match day but still give a toss about the fact someone is running the club into the ground. How many times? We can do both, we will support the team, we cannot let one man grind our club into the ground and prevent us having a team to support.

[Squirrelhumper]

2 hours ago, Prahakillie said:

I don't think it is a joke. From the wording it is a clear attempt to protect the clubs interests when the word Killie is used in association with items which may be connected with the 

Aye MJ has the club's best interests at heart here. No personal grudges. None. Zero. 

Wise up.