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Scottish Labour have announced "ambitious" plans to lift 30,000 families out of poverty by 2021. They state by using the full extent of the Scottish parliaments tax raising powers to raise an additional £7.2 million they will make these families £4.60 per week better off. 

Now I'm not sure if the ability to buy a medium Big Mac meal, is the difference between being in poverty and not, but it does seem to reek of doing something for the sake of doing something.  

The Scottish government presently pays £1billion a year on interest payments for disastrous PFI contracts set up Scottish Labour. Now it seems to me that money could be better spent on really lifting families out of poverty. £1 billion split 30,000 ways works out at around £33,000 per year. Clean up that mess first Kez, then we'll talk about your ambitious plans. 

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BACKGROUND: 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/sale-of-century-privatisation-scam

 

Something like 40% of total world privatisations by value 1980-1996 were in the UK.

This ( and right to buy) spawned a large number of small creditors that were in traditional Labour heartlands.

Labour had to drop their socialist Clause 4 background to get elected as New Labour under Blair.

Thus, without Clause 4 , Labour are just Tory Lite or Red Tories.

Corbyn is trying to sort that.

The Labour party have been arguing about this approach to socialism for a quarter of a century!

They're a busted flush.

Thatcher killed them by making the Labour Party rebrand itself as New Labour.

Thus losing the identity of the Labour party itself.

Would John Smith have done better?

Probably.

 

1992 - Old Labours, Knnock loses to Thatcher for second time - here's Tony Blair in the aftermath.

(1992 was the last time the SDP were in politics.)

 

 

1994 - Blair Labour Leader

 

Clause 4

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of productiondistribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV

 

 

Newsnight from Clause 4 day..

 

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I spent my 6th year in a PFI building that my school has 'rented' for the next 50 years. Heating broke that winter and doors well falling off hinges in the corridors. Head Teacher was worried about putting anything on the walls as pins may leave holes and blutak would leave marks

Utter madness and the reason why I will never vote Labour again

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The boss of Britain's biggest union Unite has accused Labour's deputy leader of behaving like a "low-budget remake of the Godfather".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39334657

One senior peer, who is a veteran of earlier internal battles, said it was "like 1985 all over again", while another senior peer said it was "much worse than that".

FYI: The senior peer who said it was, "much worse than 1985" was em, Neil Kinnock!

On the radio, they don't have time to remove their names.

Labour are in absolute meltdown down South, maybe even worse than in Scotland.

Even funnier; The Boss of Britain biggest trade union and the Labour Deputy leader are former flatmates.

This is a scrap till the end!

Can you imagine your former flatmate having a dig at you on the telly?!  

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I very rarely venture in to the politics pages but this was enlightening! As a lapsed Labour voter now voting SNP it is worrying how no one can give a positive reason to vote Labour. Even their most passionate supporters are looking for reasons not to vote for others.Not the most ringing endorsement - in the 70's I knew where Labour stood on issues, since Blair I genuinely don't think they have a coherent policy.

 

I'm not having a go at anyone here but would like to hear a genuine reason to give Labour my vote, because while I have some misgivings about the SNP, especially about education, I can't see what a vote for Labour would improve.

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Labours record on education disgusts me more. While Kez carps on in the Scottish parliament about the attainment gap and how it's all the SNP's fault, my local Labour run council has just approved plans to cut £3 million from the education budget for schools in some of the most deprived areas in Scotland. This despite being allocated additional funding to tackle the attainment gap. They are a party of snakes and more than happy to use the poor or kids as cheap political footballs. 

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1 hour ago, Brianstorm said:

Can I ask too? Is it only teachers like maths (those who can't do teach and all that) who are supposed to have an interest in education? 

Heaven forbid that parents show an interest in education. 

It would be interesting if this logic was applied to all areas of government spending. Only people who've been in a submarine can comment on trident, you must have performed an operation to discuss the NHS, someone must have fallen down some stairs while in your care to discuss policing etc. 

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13 minutes ago, Brianstorm said:

Agleed. Only ex squaddies can comment on marine A,  am with ye bruh. 

I know so little about the armed forces that I thought squaddies were army personnel, while the marines were part of the navy. Thinking about it, it does seem odd to have sailors in Afghanistan. 

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2 minutes ago, mathematics said:

Wanted to know what those who work in education think is wrong with the system at the moment.

Too many effin politicians without a scobie sticking their oar in, trying to build their careers on it.

I don't work in education and I'm not a parent, just my opinion for what its worth

 

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was speaking to my boy who is 14 last week and he was talking about one of his classes and saying the teacher struggles to control it, i asked how many kids were in the class and was shocked when he replied between 35-40 in some of them, now im 36 and maybe my memory is failing me but i dont remember any of my classes at school being as big as that

am i wrong or does that number seem a bit on the high side ? 1 teacher managing 30+ kids

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2 hours ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said:

was speaking to my boy who is 14 last week and he was talking about one of his classes and saying the teacher struggles to control it, i asked how many kids were in the class and was shocked when he replied between 35-40 in some of them, now im 36 and maybe my memory is failing me but i dont remember any of my classes at school being as big as that

am i wrong or does that number seem a bit on the high side ? 1 teacher managing 30+ kids

The absolute limit for S1-S2 is 33 pupils but vast majority are nowhere near that. 

Once they hit S3 the limit is 30. 

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