Doonhamer Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 Next 4 games gives food for thought, does it not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) Let's take one game at a time. Not till the transfer window closes are squads complete. There's too much hysterical reaction about. It seems clear that McCulloch is pinning his hopes on getting firstly Dicker and then Kiltie back in midfield. Time will tell if that is wise but the break needs to be used to build understanding amongst the players who are not on international duty. I hope they aren't being sent on holiday. Edited August 27, 2017 by skygod 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc_superteam Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 Problem is we are now playing catchup! 6 points behind accies who gave us a lesson in passing btw. We are in real danger this year. Could find that we come out of the motherwell game 8 points behind them. We needed a win and we threw it away today! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer Posted August 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 Heads are down. Fans are dissolutioned. We need to have confidence in our manager. For once in a very long time we seem to have a structure throughout our club that has been lacking for years, please give people a chance. i know what I want. Stability throughout our club more than anything. Even if that means a mini crisis like we have now. Our club as a whole is the most important thing of all, not just a team and a manager performing poorly. Please give this some thought before casting judgement. Casting judgement at such an early stage is the easy way out. Please remember where mwe have been for many years as a club 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 hour ago, kfc_superteam said: Problem is we are now playing catchup! 6 points behind accies who gave us a lesson in passing btw. We are in real danger this year. Could find that we come out of the motherwell game 8 points behind them. We needed a win and we threw it away today! Six points is nothing. We have to play Accies another twice - probably three times - so there are nine points straight away to play for. If it was six points going into the post-split fixtures I might be concerned. The league table at the moment is pretty meaningless. Everybody wants to get off to a good start but that's all it is - a start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 2 hours ago, skygod said: Let's take one game at a time. Not till the transfer window closes are squads complete. There's too much hysterical reaction about. It's seems clear that McCulloch is pinning his hopes on getting firstly Dicker and then Kiltie back in midfield. Time will tell if that is wise but the break needs to be used to build understanding amongst the players who are not on international duty. I hope they aren't being sent on holiday. Largely agree with this. I think I the feeling is that we have seen this story before. It looks to me like we are going to have a few bright games, some bad ones, some moments of false hope and then, in about November, McCulloch will be sacked. I think we are in trouble. As poor as Hamilton were at points today, they've shown something and won games. Thistle are scoring and doing something but not getting results. We are just nothing at the moment. I've got no confidence in McCulloch at all. My prediction is still that we will have someone half decent by Christmas and end up safe, but it feels like a massive trudge to get there. The mood in the east stand was bleak today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 Unless he picks it up quite a bit I can't see Jig still being here at the end of the season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 hour ago, mitch14 said: Largely agree with this. I think I the feeling is that we have seen this story before. It looks to me like we are going to have a few bright games, some bad ones, some moments of false hope and then, in about November, McCulloch will be sacked. I think we are in trouble. As poor as Hamilton were at points today, they've shown something and won games. Thistle are scoring and doing something but not getting results. We are just nothing at the moment. I've got no confidence in McCulloch at all. My prediction is still that we will have someone half decent by Christmas and end up safe, but it feels like a massive trudge to get there. The mood in the east stand was bleak today. It doesn't sound as if we are in agreement at all! You seem typical of the hysterical reaction I was referring to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan1el Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 I think there is a bit of hysteria but the start to the season has been poor (Accies the better team imo but shouldnt have thrown away a 2 goal lead.) but we still have plenty of time to turn things around. We do appear to have some decent players (Greer, Thomas, Jones,Erwin) but the old pals act that seems to plague our recent managers is hampering the team, Stevie Smith a left back all his career who is a championship player at best was the main man in midfield in yesterdays game and we were given a lesson of passing, moving and holding the ball by Accies. I really cant see where the next win is coming from, we look to have a decent defence, midfield when Jones/Thomas arent on form is horrifc and Erwin looks a good striker but at times yesterday he was holding off 3 guys with nobody within 20yds of him. Let us pray! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 8 hours ago, skygod said: It doesn't sound as if we are in agreement at all! You seem typical of the hysterical reaction I was referring to. I feel really conflicted about this. I hope people remember my posts over the years to back this up, but I've always been one for being patient and waiting things out. As a young coach I really want McCulloch to succeed. I know as I say it that it's early in the season and to calm down. It just feels to me like we are staring disaster in the face. The last three games of last season were bad. Even the game we won at Hamilton before that we didn't deserve too. The Ayr game was atrocious. The parkhead performance was equally so. McCulloch has picked the wrong starting eleven v Saints, Hearts and Accies. He hasn't been able to change any game I've seen from the bench. Our midfield is patently the problem and he says he isn't signing a midfielder. Boyd is done and he keeps playing him. As a genuine question, is that hysterical, becomes it seems reasonable to me. What I meant about agreeing was that there is space to change. I really enjoyed watching the team in patches yesterday and saw some hope there. Dicker will make a huge impact and Kiltie too. It doesn't seem like anyone else is coming in but there is time yet. We're going into a break and I'd like to see McCulloch reflect on the early mistakes and take the time to train them up. There was definitely something in that more balanced system yesterday. Although worrying that one Accies change seemed to stop it working. I'll be there home and away regardless. I honestly don't like being such a moan but, as others have said in threads yesterday, it's getting really difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRonFaeTheQueenVic Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) I think McCulloch made a major error yesterday by not reacting to Imrie getting hooked. Imrie had pulled Thomas into a right wee battle out on that wing, and McCulloch should have made a quick change to his plans when he saw Imrie come off, left Thomas on and pulled one of the 3 centre mids who were all sitting on a yellow card. Or hooked Jones, who was leaving Taylor to deal with 2 players alone as the Greek boy at right back was a constant danger. Erwin was also too isolated and is definitely not a long-ball target man. Edited August 27, 2017 by BigRonFaeTheQueenVic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) mitch14 - You're not hysterical, mate, but you sound like you're panicking. When everyone was coming on with the "Give it to Jig" line, I wasn't impressed. Frankly, I'm fed up with rookie managers. I'm fed up with the Buggins' Turn philosophy which sees the assistant becoming the interim becoming the permanent manager. "Give it to Kenny/ Lockey/ Jig!" It's not an easy job. But people point to Burns and Williamson as rookies who succeeded. Yes they did, but we are now in a cycle where - if you include Johnston who was virtually a rookie - four out of our last five managers have been rookies. And it hasn't worked out very well, has it? Kenny got us the League Cup and one Top Six finish but the rest has been carnage. So now I sound like I'm the hysterical one! But we can't be talking about dumping McCulloch in November. The club needs stability and another manager appointed by this board is likely to be as bad if not worse. And there would be another turnover of the playing staff and coaching staff and.....jeez, this club takes deja vue to a new level. It's also getting to the stage where the applicants for the job, who have always been of a good calibre, will deteriorate. "You've had how many managers in the last five years?!" We have a s**t pitch on which we can't buy a win. So it will soon become a job for rookies and desperados. But if we are to be McCulloch's learning project we may as well stick with it. He's making mistakes but he's a got a better squad than Johnston, Locke or Clark assembled. The chances are that they will click sooner rather than later and we have Dicker and Kiltie to come back. But we need to back the manager and the players. If their own supporters have no belief in them what chance do they have? Edited August 27, 2017 by skygod 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, skygod said: But we can't be talking about dumping McCulloch in November. The club needs stability and another manager appointed by this board is likely to be as bad if not worse. And there would be another turnover of the playing staff and coaching staff and.....jeez, this club takes deja vue to a new level. It's also getting to the stage where the applicants for the job, who have always been of a good calibre, will deteriorate. "You've had how many managers in the last five years?!" We have a s**t pitch on which we can't buy a win. So it will soon become a job for rookies and deperados. But if we are to be McCulloch's learning project we may as well stick with it. He's making mistakes but he's a got a better squad than Johnston, Locke or Clark assembled. The chances are that they will click sooner rather than later and we have Dicker and Kiltie to come back. But we need to back the manager and the players. If their own supporters have no belief in them what chance do they have? Good post. The availabile managers is always a worry. I can't believe the low quality that the hearts board are going after. Which doesn't fill me with hope for who we could get. I'm with you that we fundamentally have a good squad this year though. There is definite quality there which is much better than previous seasons. Hopefully we can see some of the other signings too. I'm really confused by Samizadeh, he just doesn't seem anywhere near featuring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom061087 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 The first four results have been poor on paper, but in terms of the product on the park, in recent memory i think the early days of johnston, locke and dare i say it even shiels have been worse. we desperately need to start picking up points, but despite the old pals act there are some decent players in there and i am sure it will come together. yesterday was a huge improvement for the first two thirds of the game, yes hamilton were always in the game but they are a decent team, have had goot results so far and we were two goals up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIGHT and BLUE Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Personally, I think Heaŕts have attracted a good calibre of entries, plus one obvious dunderheed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 23 minutes ago, mitch14 said: Good post. The availabile managers is always a worry. I can't believe the low quality that the hearts board are going after. Which doesn't fill me with hope for who we could get. I'm with you that we fundamentally have a good squad this year though. There is definite quality there which is much better than previous seasons. Hopefully we can see some of the other signings too. I'm really confused by Samizadeh, he just doesn't seem anywhere near featuring. LM is putting his job on the line by waiting on Dicker & Kiltie returning to the midfield. It's a big decision to make not signing a decent midfielder, even on loan. My concern is that by the time any of them are fit to return the team will be punch drunk due to the bad start to the season, therefore it will have little impact. Bell ? I'm totally confused with this one. He's moved from one bench to another. As supporters we will always find fault with our manager, no matter who they are, that's football. I just hope the fans can have a little more patience. If not LM won't last and the familiar process will start again at our club by the year end. We can't afford for this to happen again as I fear we won't survive another change so quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, Doonhamer said: Bell ? I'm totally confused with this one. He's moved from one bench to another. Did McCulloch think we would be challenging for the title and needed to two top keepers? Doubtful. He must have been planning for MacDonald to move on in which case he has four days to do it. And, with any luck, bring in a midfielder. There were always bigger fish to fry than the goalkeeping position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, skygod said: Did McCulloch think we would be challenging for the title and needed to two top keepers? Doubtful. He must have been planning for MacDonald to move on in which case he has four days to do it. And, with any luck, bring in a midfielder. There were always bigger fish to fry than the goalkeeping position. You don't think he's planning something daft like MacDonald in August, Bell in September, MacDonald in October and so on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 You mean like a Mr September centrefold in the match programme? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, skygod said: Did McCulloch think we would be challenging for the title and needed to two top keepers? Doubtful. He must have been planning for MacDonald to move on in which case he has four days to do it. And, with any luck, bring in a midfielder. There were always bigger fish to fry than the goalkeeping position. Agree. 4 days is a long time in the transfer world. McDonald could easily move on before then. The issue with the midfielder is that he has already stated that he won't be bringing anyone in to fill the void. His idea is to use our promising youths until Dicker and Kiltie are available. I applaud our Manager's traditional and moral approach to the current midfield issues. I hope he doesn't pay the price for it with his job. It certainly hasn't worked to date. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Might bring one or two extra female punters in. Tried everything else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Still want LM to succeed at Killie and agree too early yet to panic........ but there are some worrying signs that could point to a dismal season ahead if not addressed by this Management team soon ........LM also really needs his "big" signings (many probably on relatively high wages compared to recent seasons ) to do an awful lot better to say the least do hope in the next 2 weeks there is some hard work done on nailing down a settled team, formation and some semblence of a style of playing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie alan Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 He needs to start shouting at his players giving them a right bollocking when is required and that time is now!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 3 hours ago, skygod said: He must have been planning for MacDonald to move on in which case he has four days to do it. And, with any luck, bring in a midfielder. If he was planning on moving Jamie Mac on to another club then I think Bell would have been playing in all the games since he signed. Longer Jamie is in goals, less likely or logical it would be to sell him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Is there a better explanation? LM fancied having a de luxe keeper on the bench, although he was short in other positions? He wanted to help out Bell with his commute? I can't think of another explanation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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