Mcilroy56 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) Read article in the Sunday Herald with Neil Findlay slagging off the Blairites and Jim Murphy in particular and how they are ruining the party, suggesting that Kezia should stand down for a more Left Wing candidate, to give support to Jeremy up north. Is this an attempt to split the party between North and South? An attempt to regain lost voters in Scotland that went to SNP in 2015 (and those that subsequently then went to the Tories in 2017)? Is it sour grapes by someone who envisaged that he should have led the party in Scotland? Have they now been so entrenched in the right since Blair that they will now struggle to win back those voters in Scotland who have gone Tory? Lib Dems seem to be disappearing especially in Scotland so big fight now for Labour to re-establish themselves to the left up here. Kez's jacket could be on a shoogly peg but will there be enough willing to put their head above the parapet? Edited August 27, 2017 by Mcilroy56 Additional comment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 While Labour remain a Blarite, Tory Lite party they have nothing to offer in Scotland that cannot be trumphed by the SNP. The only way Labour can gain any traction in Scotland is to offer a real socialist alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 1 hour ago, gdevoy said: While Labour remain a Blarite, Tory Lite party.... Labour is a Blairite, Tory-lite party?! Does Jeremy Corbyn know this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 29 minutes ago, skygod said: Labour is a Blairite, Tory-lite party?! Does Jeremy Corbyn know this? JC is really not flavour of the month with Kezia and Scottish Labour. They seem to wish he would just disappear or die or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 16 hours ago, gdevoy said: JC is really not flavour of the month with Kezia and Scottish Labour. They seem to wish he would just disappear or die or something. Blairite, Tory lite? I think you're getting Labour confused with the SNP. I expect mcilroy to spout that self evident nonsense, but not you. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: Blairite, Tory lite? I think you're getting Labour confused with the SNP. I expect mcilroy to spout that self evident nonsense, but not you. Aye, you'll get suspended from the Labour Party for using commonly used terms like "Blairite" or "Red Tory". "Centrist" is the one I find really offensive! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Tory In Scotland, the term "Red Tory" has been used to describe the Scottish Labour Party,[19] who some see as assisting with, or failing to oppose, certain Conservative policies. The term was first used in this context by Scottish independence supporters, following Labour's participation in the Better Together campaign in opposition to Scottish independence alongside the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats during the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.[20] Evolving from the Scottish usage of the term, the term has also been used as a retort to MPs and members of the British Labour Party that have attempted to retain control of the party structures and policies from those supportive of a move away from the policies once associated with Tony Blair's premiership. The term gained popularity in reaction to indiscriminate use of the terms 'Militant', 'Trotskyite', 'Stalinist', 'Maoist', 'far-Left', 'extremist', 'anti-Semite' and 'traitor' that were frequently used in social media and mainstream media by MPs, councillors and party officials during the two leadership elections of 2015 and 2016 and beyond to refer to anyone who questioned the existing party line or tried to vote for candidates who were not approved of by the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party. Its use, along with such terms as 'Blairite' (a term once embraced by members during the era of Tony Blair's premiership) and 'centrist', became grounds for summary suspension from the British Labour Party. The rules on abusive language were not equally applied to other terms.[21][22] Edited August 28, 2017 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mclean07 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Fly a flag......it beats policies...... -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Mclean07 said: Fly a flag......it beats policies...... I hate to bring it to your attention, but Labour have been signing about flags for years, even during their recent Dr Jeckyll "Blairite/Red Tory" era! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcilroy56 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 2 hours ago, RAG said: Aye, you'll get suspended from the Labour Party for using commonly used terms like "Blairite" or "Red Tory". "Centrist" is the one I find really offensive! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Tory In Scotland, the term "Red Tory" has been used to describe the Scottish Labour Party,[19] who some see as assisting with, or failing to oppose, certain Conservative policies. The term was first used in this context by Scottish independence supporters, following Labour's participation in the Better Together campaign in opposition to Scottish independence alongside the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats during the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.[20] Evolving from the Scottish usage of the term, the term has also been used as a retort to MPs and members of the British Labour Party that have attempted to retain control of the party structures and policies from those supportive of a move away from the policies once associated with Tony Blair's premiership. The term gained popularity in reaction to indiscriminate use of the terms 'Militant', 'Trotskyite', 'Stalinist', 'Maoist', 'far-Left', 'extremist', 'anti-Semite' and 'traitor' that were frequently used in social media and mainstream media by MPs, councillors and party officials during the two leadership elections of 2015 and 2016 and beyond to refer to anyone who questioned the existing party line or tried to vote for candidates who were not approved of by the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party. Its use, along with such terms as 'Blairite' (a term once embraced by members during the era of Tony Blair's premiership) and 'centrist', became grounds for summary suspension from the British Labour Party. The rules on abusive language were not equally applied to other terms.[21][22] Lol, his vampire squid reflexes showing through again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: Tuition fees were introduced in September 1998 under the Labour government. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuition_fees_in_the_United_Kingdom) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcilroy56 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, mathematics said: Tuition fees were introduced in September 1998 under the Labour government. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuition_fees_in_the_United_Kingdom) It's like these shooting galleries at the shows, just stick the tin cans back up for me to have another shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: Fly a flag......it beats policies...... Buy a mug, ya mug. Edited August 28, 2017 by Squirrelhumper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, mathematics said: Tuition fees were introduced in September 1998 under the Labour government. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuition_fees_in_the_United_Kingdom) Why bother with facts though when you can take your facts off an anti SNP page on Facebook! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 " Oppressed " Scotland. How the poorer areas of the UK pay, so that the SNP can give the better off their wee perks. A 9 billion pound subsidy just to keep us in the style we're accustomed to. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Buy a mug, ya mug. Erm, I know this is your favourite wee photo. I'm never sure what you mean. You are saying you want NO controls on immigration? Try that round the schemes at the next election, please!! No country in the world has that policy. How immature to think otherwise. Edited August 28, 2017 by Mclean07 -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mcilroy56 said: It's like these shooting galleries at the shows, just stick the tin cans back up for me to have another shot. Your pals can maybe do it for you. You? No...... By the way, look at the chart above and see how those big, bad English people " oppress " us. Edited August 28, 2017 by Mclean07 -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: By the way, look at the chart above and see how those big, bad English people " oppress " us. We could perhaps quantify the extent of the English oppression, were GERS figures released for England! As the comparison is between Scotland and rUK in the GERS chart - how does that help me determine anything to do with England? GERS says nothing about the English economy, nor does it say anything about a Scottish economy managed from somewhere other than England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 40 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: Your pals can maybe do it for you. You? No...... By the way, look at the chart above and see how those big, bad English people " oppress " us. Tuition fees were introduced in September 1998 under the Labour government. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuition_fees_in_the_United_Kingdom) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I can keep doing this until you acknowledge it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, mathematics said: I can keep doing this until you acknowledge it. You'll be waiting a while, he's moved on to the thing about English oppression 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcilroy56 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: Your pals can maybe do it for you. You? No...... By the way, look at the chart above and see how those big, bad English people " oppress " us. I could look up a pile of sh1t on any website and claim them to be true, just because you think they are correct does not mean they are. Anyway, as usual you have moved off topic when the agenda doesn't suit you, the opening post had nothing to do with Gers/oppression and anything else you have thrown up from Labour propaganda. Your party in Scotland is in civil war and the fact that the figures speak for themselves that the votes have swung to the Tories over the past 7 years to protect the he sacred union at the expense of their socialist values, whilst SNP vote has doubled causes you great anxiety as shown by your dubious behaviour on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, Mcilroy56 said: I could look up a pile of sh1t on any website and claim them to be true, just because you think they are correct does not mean they are. Anyway, as usual you have moved off topic when the agenda doesn't suit you, the opening post had nothing to do with Gers/oppression and anything else you have thrown up from Labour propaganda. Your party in Scotland is in civil war and the fact that the figures speak for themselves that the votes have swung to the Tories over the past 7 years to protect the he sacred union at the expense of their socialist values, whilst SNP vote has doubled causes you great anxiety as shown by your dubious behaviour on here. There your own Government's figures. No sane person doesn't know we have more per head spent on us. Anyway it's the SNP that are split and running scared. When's the referendum? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, mathematics said: I can keep doing this until you acknowledge it. The SNP claim to have abolished tuition fees in Scotland. No, Labour and the Libs did. What the SNP abolished was the Graduate Endowment to help well off students and take away help for poorer students. Talk Left, Act Right By the way, this would all be immaterial in your Indy Scotland. With the largest deficit in Europe and no rUK bail out, you would be slashing basic services. Today's austerity would seem like a walk in the park. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcilroy56 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: There your own Government's figures. No sane person doesn't know we have more per head spent on us. Anyway it's the SNP that are split and running scared. When's the referendum? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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