Zorro Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 50 minutes ago, Bbk said: Sorry to disappoint you old chap but that sort of termination to describe fellow Killie fans could get you a red card! I’ll get over it. Here’s a like to show there’s no hard feelings. I know how much you guys crave them. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Zorro said: I’ve given numerous opinions and examples of poor keeping from MacDonald, and praise when due ( I’m thinking match winning save away to hearts), and not just “Woodman had more shut outs”. Great call Craig. Im glad someone is taking improving the team seriously. When others provide their opinions you ask them to provide facts. When they provide facts you then ignore them or discredit them. Meanwhile you offer opinions. Clearly the only opinion that matters to you is your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, historyman said: When others provide their opinions you ask them to provide facts. When they provide facts you then ignore them or discredit them. Meanwhile you offer opinions. Clearly the only opinion that matters to you is your own. Perhaps if you had valid opinions based on actual facts rather than this happyclappy, Jamie is pure dead brilliant nonsense, I’d take you more seriously. For whatever reason you’re unable to see his many weaknesses and I’m no longer interested in your attention seeking behaviour. We both know it’s all about the likes for you. I’m sure this latest nothing post will gain you some more. I asked you what you felt your chart showed, you replied it was meaningless. For me, our discussion ended there. -5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Do you have a chart or statistics to enlighten us all to your reasons why Jamie MacDonald is so s**t in your opinion purely for information purposes you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) He may be good at one on ones but I read a similar stat the other month that shots per goal, he was far and away the worst keeper in the league. Not sure if this is still the case Edited December 30, 2017 by bute-killiefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, bute-killiefan said: He may be good at one on ones but I read a similar stat the other month that shots per goal, he was far and away the worst keeper in the league. Not sure if this is still the case To me, it's a meaningless argument when we're now playing superbly after a low confidence start to the season! I'd concentrate on getting a defence that snuffs out all shots on goal - rather than singling out the keeper. The GK is good enough. If McDonald wasn't at the absolute top of his game, a cup winning keeper like Bell would have started at least one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabunias Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I know that there is a new statistic being used within OPTA for expected goals and a newer one being trialled which is for expected assists I would love to know how Jamie stands up to the chances that teams are expected to create and to score due to this new data being collected and assessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bolland Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Zorro said: Perhaps if you had valid opinions based on actual facts rather than this happyclappy, Jamie is pure dead brilliant nonsense, I’d take you more seriously. For whatever reason you’re unable to see his many weaknesses and I’m no longer interested in your attention seeking behaviour. We both know it’s all about the likes for you. I’m sure this latest nothing post will gain you some more. I asked you what you felt your chart showed, you replied it was meaningless. For me, our discussion ended there. Give it a rest and change the record please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Here’s hoping Jamie justifies everyone’s faith in him today. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 10 hours ago, Zorro said: We both know it’s all about the likes for you. I’m sure this latest nothing post will gain you some more. Yet another opinion and a extremely foolish, uninformed and unsubstantiated one at that. One thing we can agree on is that our 'discussion' ends here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 36 minutes ago, historyman said: Yet another opinion and a extremely foolish, uninformed and unsubstantiated one at that. One thing we can agree on is that our 'discussion' ends here. I disagree. Our discussion ended pages ago. You’re just here for the likes now. -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Zorro said: Here’s hoping Jamie justifies everyone’s faith in him today. And every other player selected to play for us today as well! 22 minutes ago, Zorro said: I disagree. Our discussion ended pages ago. You’re just here for the likes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal Clegg Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I'm afraid I cannot remember the source but recall an interesting quote that comes to mind after reading this thread. "What purpose does tolerance serve toward others if you are convinced that you are right whilst those who disagree with you are wrong? That isn't tolerance but condescension." Just for the record, I would take the view that stats are a useful factual tool. However, I am always wary of their interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Wow what a post even a certain poster known to like a reply or two on here can't disagree with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye the Gnu Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Come on lads, stop this pish. Jamie is nowhere near the best goalie we've had, but equally, he's been solid and dependable over the past few years, as well as being the only thing stopping absolute hammerings when we were crap all over the park. I like Jamie and would be comfortable for him to continue as our number 1.for now. Whats the point in the childish tit for tat that's going on here? He's the best goalie we've got so get behind him FFS!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) I prefer “ the test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority”. Sage advice for the herd. Edited December 30, 2017 by Zorro -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 As far as I'm concerened the p**h and the tit for tat are now finished zorro I declare you the winner ta ta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Neilly said: ....he cost us all 3 points today.... I thought we got a point for a draw? Edited December 30, 2017 by skygod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I AM ZORRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye the Gnu Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Hawkeye the Gnu said: Come on lads, stop this pish. Jamie is nowhere near the best goalie we've had, but equally, he's been solid and dependable over the past few years, as well as being the only thing stopping absolute hammerings when we were crap all over the park. I like Jamie and would be comfortable for him to continue as our number 1.for now. Whats the point in the childish tit for tat that's going on here? He's the best goalie we've got so get behind him FFS!!!!!!!!!!! OK, hands up. Two howlers in a row........time for the other guy to get his chance. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I’ve been critical of MacDonald but now isn’t the time to simply hand Bell the jersey. What mistakes in the last couple of games have done is highlight weaknesses in MacDonalds game. We have three weeks until our next match and it should be a level playing field for all keepers in training. No more Jamie’s got the jersey and doesn’t deserve to lose it. The spot is up for grabs for MacDonald, Bell, Dev or any keeper Clarke decides to bring in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 All keeper make mistakes and cost their team goals, thats never been the issue for me. Today’s equaliser happened because MacDonald doesn’t command his area. Teams know they can put the ball in our six yard box and it will cause panic. Today the goal was the result of him flapping at a ball, on another day it could be a glanced header from the opposition striker or a ricochet of a defender. The result is the same. Teams don’t get this easy option against better keepers. They have to work harder for their goals. Surely that’s what we all want? Teams having to work really hard to score against us. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigYin Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 It was a poor error from MacDonald today escpecially as he wasn’t really being heavily pressured and it should have been a routine take. I’ve always thought he’s been a good keeper for us at our level. Could we do better than Jamie? Course we could but at the same time we could still have the likes of Craig Samson in goal. So until such time SC decides to replace him, he’ll have my support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcQ Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Jamie sold one today from a corner. It happens. He also defended another fifteen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktid1869 Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Keepers makes mistakes, fact. Name a keeper that hasn't made a mistake this season. The fact remains Jamie has won us more points with his saves than he's cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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