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Anyone want to discuss?

As a movie, it was awright, some exceptional bits, however, as someone who has grown up watching these films, and having some fairly deep ties to it(!), I have some fairly major issues with it. For those of you who are willing to humour me on this, read on....

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1. Tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder - I was deeply offended by this!! I get that Luke has rejected the way of the Jedi and all that, but I just dont think he would be so callous as to throw it that way. I'm aware im sounding somewhat sad, but it's important to me. I hated the comedic element to this massively important part in the story. 

2. Leia Poppins - need I go on?

3. Carrie Fisher - In my opinion, they had a prime opportunity to handle the loss of Carrie Fisher...nicely. But they played it, they played a game with it. Aside from the ridiculous flying back into the ship, Rian Johnson teased the audience with the there-she-is-this-is-our-tribute....oh no, it's not, she's still here. I found it utterly misguided. Furthermore, I'm not sure what more she added to the film which actually makes it more difficult because they'll need to try to find a sympathetic way to handle her not being able to be part of IX. Also, Kylo Ren is surely going to be a massive part of IX, and his decent even further (at least initially surely) into the Dark Side, and with his mother still alive at this point, they're going to find it difficult to shoehorn something about that emotional tie into IX. If Leia had died in the attack on her ship, it would've brought a bittersweet closure to her character and would've been able to weave that easier into Kylo's developing conflict. 

4. Language/Script - Now, I get on my high horse often about language in kids' movies. I dont believe I should expose my kid to swearing and sexualised content, and yet, the movies that he should be able to see such as Transformers, Iron Man, pretty much any action hero, superhero stuff contains all this nowadays. Now, you've got Finn saying, "bastard", and Poe saying "Big-ass" - and before I get accused of being Amish or something, I realise that they are really really mild examples of 'bad words', but I just thought they were really unnecessary. Also, 'big-ass', I mean, who a long time ago in a galaxy far far away would say such a phrase? Then you've got Admiral Addo saying 'Godspeed', sorry, what? Who is God in aforementioned Galaxy?

5. 'Battle' on Krate(sp?) - felt very rushed to me. I, at no point felt any great tension. Think the trench run, the assault on Hoth, Starkiller assault. Even Rey and Finns falcon escape in TFA against 2 tie fights had more tension. The new Walkers got no attention at all. It felt weak. 

6. Another misguided piece of writing/direction for me was Luke's little shoulder-brush after Kylo rains all that his fleet has to offer at him. Again, totally misguided tone imo. That moment should be about celebrating and being in awe at Luke's power, not going for a cheap laugh which diffused any tension or suspense to that face off. 

7. Maz Kanata/Casino - Totally pointless element to the storyline, the rose plume was mentioned about 5 times, and then it just didnt matter one iota. Over long horse thing chase thing. The only saving grace element to this section was the introduction of the slave kids. 

8. Poe's humiliation - Is there any need to make him look totally stupid? He's a great new character, and his treatment at the hands of Addo and Leia was OTT.

9. WHY KILL LUKE?!!??! - Presumably he'll be back as some sort of force ghost, but that aint enough for me!?

I think that's me. I'll go see it again this week, and maybe my feelings will change

Hings I liked,

Poe's attack on the starship. I love Poe as an x-wing fighter, and after some amazing scenes in TFA, (my favourite being him totalling battering various stormtroopers and Tie fighters at Maz's castle), I was glad he got another quality attack. Although, no need to destroy his x-wing, which is one of my son's favourite pieces of Lego!!

I thought the acting from al the main characters, Luke, Rey and Kylo was excellent. 

Kylo and Rey's fight against the guards was quality. 

The reveal about Luke and how he managed to aid the rebel's escape. 

 

 

Thanks for reading if you did. N.B I am actually 36 and believe it or not am quite a normal person. 

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3 hours ago, Sandman396 said:

To be honest I thought it was very bad.

I would put it on a par with Batman V Superman in terms of quality. It did nothing well and loads of things very badly.

It is by far the worst Star Wars movie of all time. Even worse that Rogue One, the previous title holder.

 

That’s quite a preposterous claim. To rate Rogue One (and this one for that matter) behind the prequels....deary me

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I've not had anyone to vent about the film to so here seems as good a place as any.  

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Good parts (struggling):

  • Mark Hamill's performance.
  • Finally getting to see someone killed by a lightsaber being turned on on their face.
  • Kylo Ren's development.
  • The visuals - especially on Krate.

 

Bad parts:

  • Mary Poppins/Leia
  • Really jarring, out of tone "comedy" parts - Poe's "am I on hold?", the space leprechaun, Luke chucking the lightsaber, Yoda.
  • Absolutely zero character development with Finn - what is the point of him now?
  • Rose - another character that I just couldn't care for.
  • The entire cartoony Casino planet sequence. That was 45 minutes that could have been used for anything else.
  • Cryptic video game commando Maz Kanata.
  • Snoke. So much hype and then such a disappointing death with so many questions unanswered. Palpatine had lightning shooting out his hands and all Snoke can do is bop Rey on the face.
  • To quote Han Solo in TFA, "That's not how the Force works!". 
  • Killing off Luke seemed very unnecessary given there'll be no Leia in IX.
  • Pink Hair woman and Poe's bizarre lack of communication - there was no need for all that nonsense!
  • Killing off Tallie, the A Wing pilot - this series needs a Wedge!
  • Porgs. 
  • Frog maids.
  • BB-8 as Rambo.
  • The staying-just-out-of-range-of-lasers plot device.
  • Phasma hype and then pathetic death.
  • Rey. She was great in TFA - an exciting, energetic character. Boring and moody in this. 
  • "Uh, do we have to do this now?" Force Skyping.

 

Despite all that, I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

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I was disappointed. Enjoyed Rogue One and The Force Awakens, but this one was too long and Adam Driver as Kylo Ren isn't strong enough for the role. My son was nearly five when he saw the original Star Wars and it held his attention for nearly all of the film but I can't imagine a five-year old sitting through the two and a half hours of The Last Jedi without being bored squint.

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I enjoyed it. I though it was totally different to any other Star Wars film, and after The Force Awakens this was a good thing.

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Things I liked...

I sat for the first half of the film hoping that Rey wasn't going to be a member of the Skywalker family. After her parents were revealed I could enjoy it more. Although there's every chance that Kylo was lying about that and there will be another reveal in the next 1.

Killing Snoke was a good twist, although I would have liked to have found out more about him.

Mark Hamill was excellent

I mainly liked that they changed things up a bit. Were the people who are disappointed just wanting an Empire Strikes Back remake?

 

Things that annoyed me...

Phasma has been a total waste of space in both films.

Kylo and Hux are not good enough baddies (if that makes sense). The 2 of them aren't strong enough characters to lead the galaxy.

Leia's flying

The whole part about the codebreaker could have been taken out. I've seen a lot of people rave about Del Toro's performance in it but I thought he was very poor.

"God speed". Really???

Finn should have died in his Independence Day-esque charge at the battering ram gun. I don't really see the point in him any more. Or Rose for that matter.

Rey has went from being an interesting character to being a bit boring and moany.

 

I was hoping that Rey and Kylo were going to team up as grey Jedi's and unite the First Order and the rebels. If Episode IX just builds up to a fight between them I think I'll be disappointed.

 

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Saw it again without the nervous weight of expecatation; enjoyed it a fair bit more as a result.

I disagree with the above comment about Adam Driver, I think he plays Ren well. When he faces nahdvsj najdbdjs at the end, the way he shrugs off his cape and ignites his lightsabre, it’s like he’s using his whole body to do it, using all his hate, I liked that a lot. I still can’t understand why they did what they do with Leia and I think her role in this movie has been overstated a tad. I timed a toilet break perfectly to coincide with the chase in the middle so that helped my enjoyment! Will need a couple more watches before I can really make up my mind about it overall. 

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23 hours ago, fmcc said:

Rogue One I love, aside from the stuff in Saw's cave. I think it's a wonderful film, the final act is electrifying. 

Electrifying?

The whole film is an exercise in "it doesn't matter what the characters do since we all know how it must end". To my mind that kills any tension or drama.

When you couple that with poor character development because you know you are going to kill them all anyway to my mind it all adds up to a major missed opportunity. The battle scenes are pretty but I can get that on the X-Box.

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7 minutes ago, Sandman396 said:

Electrifying?

The whole film is an exercise in "it doesn't matter what the characters do since we all know how it must end". To my mind that kills any tension or drama.

When you couple that with poor character development because you know you are going to kill them all anyway to my mind it all adds up to a major missed opportunity. The battle scenes are pretty but I can get that on the X-Box.

If you can get visuals like that on your X-Box it must be some machine. Rogue One had good actors in it, excellent battle scenes, and was back to what Star Wars originally was, an adventure story. That's why The Last Jedi was so disappointing.

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16 minutes ago, Sandman396 said:

Electrifying?

The whole film is an exercise in "it doesn't matter what the characters do since we all know how it must end". To my mind that kills any tension or drama.

When you couple that with poor character development because you know you are going to kill them all anyway to my mind it all adds up to a major missed opportunity. The battle scenes are pretty but I can get that on the X-Box.

Your film collection must be pretty thin if you only watch movies that you don't know how they'll end. A ridiculous argument tbh.

'Character development'? What do you mean? You get a collective of rebels (the guys who go on Rogue One) who have never been credited or addressed before, rebelling and setting in motion one of the greatest sci-fi stories; Jyn's, Cassian's, Galen's, Saw's, hell, even Vader's characters are all developed during the film, so I dont know how many of the characters you want developed to satisfy you.

I know, and have known for 30 years that he wasnt going to stop the plans falling into rebel hands but the tension when Vader is chasing the plans had me gripped like not many other things I've seen recently, especially when he boards and emerges from the darkness. Give me that any day over any horror or villian. The beach assault, the fire fight, the walkers coming out the mist, the death troopers walking through he water, the scene where they're evading Krennick from the vault. It is stunning. 

*insert standard internet caveat just to annoy you!?*

in my opinion

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3 minutes ago, fmcc said:

Your film collection must be pretty thin if you only watch movies that you don't know how they'll end. A ridiculous argument tbh.

This has to be close to the stupidest post I have seen in here and considering the existence of McLean and Hyperbob that is quite an accolade.

Expecting to watch a fictional film where you are unaware of the ending when you start watching is pretty bog standard.

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22 minutes ago, Wrangodog said:

If you can get visuals like that on your X-Box it must be some machine. Rogue One had good actors in it, excellent battle scenes, and was back to what Star Wars originally was, an adventure story. That's why The Last Jedi was so disappointing.

I agree to a point. I feel that they spent too much time on the tamer parts of the film that when the end battle scene comes, to me it feels a bit...thin. It doesn't have the scale that a trench run; Hoth or Endor battles; Starkiller assault, or Scarif does. And I'm annoyed that the Walkers very pretty much redundant. It feels small. I think it's as a result of them being at pains to really decimate the resistance.  

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6 minutes ago, fmcc said:

Your film collection must be pretty thin if you only watch movies that you don't know how they'll end. A ridiculous argument

I know, and have known for 30 years that he wasnt going to stop the plans falling into rebel hands but the tension when Vader is chasing the plans had me gripped like not many other things I've seen recently, especially when he boards and emerges from the darkness. Give me that any day over any horror or villian. The beach assault, the fire fight, the walkers coming out the mist, the death troopers walking through he water, the scene where they're evading Krennick from the vault. It is stunning. 

I guess some are easily pleased.

The troopers in the Vader scenes might as well have been wearing Star Trek redshirts.

At no point was there a sense of drama for the two-dimensional characters.

What would have been more dramatic was have some live and some die in the same vein as the Magnificent Seven which even in its remake was more dramatic than Rogue One.

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Haven't seen "The Last Jedi" but was put off by watching "The Force Awakens" last weekend. It was basically the Original "Star Wars" film with a different name. Droid had a map for finding Luke. Original had a map. Yon wee bird is the new Jedi (Luke in original) Hans Solo & the big hairy one appear with the Millenium Falcon. X Wing fighters take down the new giant Death Star or planet whatever they call it just before it obliterates the rebels. Turned round the "I am your father" part as well except this time the bad guy is the son.

Not really very original or was it meant basically to be a remake. Doesn't bode well for any originality in the latest film.   

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22 hours ago, harley said:

Haven't seen "The Last Jedi" but was put off by watching "The Force Awakens" last weekend. It was basically the Original "Star Wars" film with a different name. Droid had a map for finding Luke. Original had a map. Yon wee bird is the new Jedi (Luke in original) Hans Solo & the big hairy one appear with the Millenium Falcon. X Wing fighters take down the new giant Death Star or planet whatever they call it just before it obliterates the rebels. Turned round the "I am your father" part as well except this time the bad guy is the son.

Not really very original or was it meant basically to be a remake. Doesn't bode well for any originality in the latest film.   

I think even the people who don't like The Last Jedi will agree that it is different to all the other films. I was a bit nervous before watching it that it was going to be a remake of Empire, but it has it's own storyline

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