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38 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Many of Trumos supporters are strongly aligned with what we scientists and engineers used to call the KKK. I dont think Trump is bright enough to make the link between that and the Aryan supremacists.

Whoever produced this knew exactly what it meant and who it was for. Trump's official page and campaign have paid to sponsor it too

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White supremacist Trump having his 1st rally in Tulsa is not just dog whistle racism, it taps into a deep legacy of murderous racism. 99 years ago one of the worst racist episodes in US history. 

 

In the real world, 74-year-old Donald Shaw is walking on the empty, parched grass slope by Tulsa's noisy crosstown expressway. He is on the other side of the city's historical white-Black dividing line from where President Donald Trump will hold a rally on Saturday with his overwhelmingly white supporters.

But Shaw can conjure stories and images of so much more - the once-thriving Black community that stood on this same ground, destroyed nearly a century ago by white violence and ensuing decades of repression.

"Just imagine, in your mind, all these homes," Shaw said one morning earlier this week, remembering the Black-built, Black-owned houses and churches that covered dozens of blocks where he is walking, the site of Tulsa's 1921 race massacre. "Just picture that."

"Hotels, movie theatre, roller rink," said Shaw, a retired man who spends his mornings sitting in the shade of an engraved stone memorial to the Home Style Cafe, AS Newkirk photography studio, and literally hundreds of other African American-owned bakeries, barbershops, lawyers' offices and businesses razed in the massacre.

Burned bricks and a fragment of a church basement are about all that survive today of the more than 30-block historically Black district. On May 31 and June 1 in 1921, white residents and civil society leaders looted and burned Tulsa's Black Greenwood district to the ground, and used planes to drop projectiles on it.

The attackers killed up to 300 Black Tulsans, and forced survivors for a time to internment camps overseen by National Guard members.

It's been 99 years since the U.S. witnessed one of its most horrific acts of racial violence.
 

Historians said the trouble began after a Tulsa newspaper drummed up a furore over a Black man who allegedly stepped on a white girl's foot. When Black Tulsans showed up with guns to prevent the man's lynching, white Tulsa responded with overwhelming force. A grand jury investigation at the time concluded, without evidence, that unidentified agitators had given Tulsa's African Americans both their firearms and what was described as their mistaken belief "in equal rights, social equality and their ability to demand the same". 

"Everything they had downtown," Shaw said of the white-owned business district where Trump will rally, "we had here."

Trump's choice to resume his giant rallies in Oklahoma, a loyal Republican state, and in Tulsa, an oil centre, has brought a surge of national interest in the Greenwood district once called Tulsa's "Negro Wall Street". His rally at the 19,000-seat BOK Center will be Trump's first since the coronavirus pandemic shut down much of the US by late March.

Trump's initial plan to hold the rally on Friday - Juneteenth, the anniversary of the emancipation of slaves in the US - also sparked interest in the turbulent racial legacy here, although he later pushed back the rally date to Saturday. So has a string of nationwide street protests over police killings of George Floyd and other Black Americans.

Despite the Oklahoma heat, visitors of all races drive up to the site of the destroyed Black community. They take photos of themselves in front of the inscribed memorials to what is now called Black Wall Street. They raise a defiant fist in the air for other photos in front of a mural to Black Wall Street painted on the side of the overpass.

For Shawn-Du Stackhouse, a barber from the Washington, DC area and one of those visiting the Tulsa massacre memorials, the proof that mobile phone videos provide of killings of African Americans today somehow make the killings of the past, like Tulsa's, more real as well.

For Black Americans, the mobile phone videos "show what they have already known", Stackhouse said. "It gives more confidence" to speak up about all the killings, past and present, he said.

The Tulsa rampage was part of a surge of white attacks on Black communities - from Washington, DC to Chicago to the Pacific Northwest - at the time, said Scott Ellsworth, a historian who has worked for decades to bring the Tulsa massacre to light. The Ku Klux Klan was surging, as well, putting many of its members in public office and other influential positions.

In 1915, President, Woodrow Wilson gave a White House screening and praise to The Birth of a Nation, a tremendously influential and viciously racist film.

Today, opponents say Trump's statements and actions embolden white supremacist sentiment in the country. That includes Trump's opposition to renaming military bases named after Confederate Civil War figures, and his emphasis on a tough "law and order" response to recent protests. Trump has denied any racism, and said his administration has been beneficial to African Americans.

Asked Monday about any concerns that Trump's rally may fan racial tensions in Tulsa, Oklahoma Republican Party Chairman David McLain said, "I would like to invite all nationalities into the Republican Party … We are a party of great opportunity for anybody, race, creed or colour."

Tulsa's Republican mayor, GT Bynum, has formed a commission for marking the 100th anniversary of the massacre next year. Although expressing doubts about calls for reparations to Tulsa's African Americans, Bynum has supported the search for unmarked burials of victims of the massacre.

Next month, experts plan painstaking examination and excavations of an existing Tulsa cemetery to look for such unmarked graves, said Ellsworth, who teaches African American history at the University of Michigan.

 

After generations of determined public silence on the massacre - long referred to by white Tulsans dismissively as a race "riot" - Black and white Tulsans increasingly are trying to tell the story of Black Wall Street, including its fiery, deadly end.

Teaching about the massacre is being added to state and city school standards, so that when schools start again this year, third-graders (usually age eight or nine) will learn about it. Even preschoolers in some districts are being told about Black Wall Street - not about how it ended, but what it was, said Danielle Neves, deputy chief of academics for Tulsa public schools.

"Four-year-olds can understand that people like them once owned movie theatres and hotels and ... had a thriving community," Neves said.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-rallies-black-tulsa-revisits-legacy-1921-race-riots-200616194530071.html

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On 6/18/2020 at 1:58 PM, skygod said:

Bolton was a nutter of a hawk who would happily have started wars against Iran and North Korea.

His book might have some titbits which embarrass Trump but I won’t be reading it. 

Bolton is bought and paid for....He is the guy they bring out to get a good war going. Total evil , will say what ever suits the narrative. Book will be full of what ever rubbish they want YOU to believe.....Have an open mind and don't follow without questioning everything.

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7 hours ago, carpetfitter said:

White supremacist Trump having his 1st rally in Tulsa is not just dog whistle racism, it taps into a deep legacy of murderous racism. 99 years ago one of the worst racist episodes in US history. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-rallies-black-tulsa-revisits-legacy-1921-race-riots-200616194530071.html

I don't believe Trump is a White supremacist , But both Biden and Hillary Clinton have pictures taken with KKK leadership at Rallies. 

BEFORE THE COVID DOODAA AND SHUTDOWN:

Today, the national black unemployment rate is at an all-time low of 5.5 percent. Unemployment for black women is even lower, at just 4.4 percent. More importantly, the overall black-white employment gap is smaller than it has ever been. So it was worse under a Black President. 

America is the most corrupt in the Western world. Almost all the Major politicians have been in place for 20/30 years and done nothing but make money from lobbyists and War contracts.

The agenda now is create division in the form of Race war. This is an election year in America. So that normally means trouble. 

The Media is controlled by four people, So they push the narrative and influence the percentage of the population who don't question what they are told. 

Afghanistan 9/11 ....Bad people invade / War .......False

Iraq have WMD ....Invade/War ....False

Russia meddle in USA election, must impeach .....False

Even here Boris and the Tories and lying to us.....100,000 test a day , we have enough PPE , They even told us you could not predict was would happen in a pandemic and yet they ran a major test for a pandemic in October last year......yet won't admit to it.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

 

Sorry went of topic a little......My point is don't follow the narrative , do your research....understand both sides of the story.

Donald Trump might well be a rich x bankrupt bawbag .....If he is a racist white supremacist i don't any evidence to back that up.

Also if Hilary Clinton had got in it would have been even worse. This Family have had so many  associates or people who have worked for her all die.

Its called the Clinton body count. https://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/

They never thought Clinton would lose, The big banks and corporations and the Military Industrial complex were all backing her, So when she lost , THEY LOST out on their millions and funding. So who is invested in the narrative , who wants a Trump out. ?????........How do they get him out ????? 

By the way we are pretty much in the same situation with Buffoon Boris and his friends at the Bullington club. This country is becoming a mirror image of America.

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Donald Trump is a good president … but only for the top 1% 

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Joseph Stiglitz

On all economic measures, from jobs to health to GDP to disposable income, the president has failed America

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 The stock market is booming, that doesn’t benefit most Americans. Photograph: Lucas Jackson/Reuters

As the world’s business elites trek to Davos for their annual gathering, people should be asking a simple question: have they overcome their infatuation with the US president?

Two years ago, a few rare corporate leaders were concerned about climate change, or upset at Donald Trump’s misogyny and bigotry. Most, however, were celebrating the president’s tax cuts for billionaires and corporations and looking forward to his efforts to deregulate the economy. That would allow businesses to pollute the air more, get more Americans hooked on opioids, entice more children to eat their diabetes-inducing foods and engage in the sort of financial shenanigans that brought on the 2008 crisis.

Today, many corporate bosses are still talking about the continued GDP growth and record stock prices. But neither GDP nor the Dow is a good measure of economic performance. Neither tells us what’s happening to ordinary citizens’ living standards or anything about sustainability. In fact, US economic performance over the past four years is Exhibit A in the indictment against relying on these indicators.

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To get a good reading on a country’s economic health, start by looking at the health of its citizens. If they are happy and prosperous they will be healthy and live longer. Among developed countries, the US sits at the bottom in this regard. US life expectancy, already relatively low, fell in each of the first two years of Trump’s presidency and in 2017, midlife mortality reached its highest rate since the second world war. This is not a surprise because no president has worked harder to make sure that more Americans lack health insurance. Millions have lost their coverage and the uninsured rate has risen, in only two years, from 10.9% to 13.7%.

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One reason for declining life expectancy in the US is what Anne Case and the Nobel laureate economist Angus Deaton call deaths of despair, caused by alcohol, drug overdoses and suicide. In 2017 (the most recent year for which good data is available), such deaths stood at almost four times their 1999 level.

The only time I have seen anything like these declines in health – outside of war or epidemics – was when I was chief economist of the World Bank and found out that mortality and morbidity data confirmed what our economic indicators suggested about the dismal state of the post-Soviet Russian economy.

Trump may be a good president for the top 1% – and especially for the top 0.1% – but he has not been good for everyone else. If fully implemented, the 2017 tax cut will result in tax increases for most households in the second, third and fourth income quintiles.

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Given tax cuts that disproportionately benefit the ultra-rich and corporations, it should come as no surprise that there was no significant change in the median US household’s disposable income between 2017 and 2018 (again, the most recent year with good data). The lion’s share of the increase in GDP is also going to those at the top. Real median weekly earnings are only 2.6% above their level when Trump took office. And these increases have not offset long periods of wage stagnation. For example, the median wage of a full-time male worker (and those with full-time jobs are the lucky ones) is still more than 3% below what it was 40 years ago. Nor has there been much progress on reducing racial disparities: in the third quarter of 2019, median weekly earnings for black men working full-time were less than three-quarters the level for white men.

Making matters worse, the growth that has occurred is not environmentally sustainable – and even less so thanks to the Trump administration’s gutting of regulations that have passed stringent cost-benefit analyses. The air will be less breathable, the water less drinkable and the planet more subject to climate change. In fact, losses related to climate change have already reached new highs in the US, which has suffered more property damage than any other country – reaching some 1.5% of GDP in 2017.

The tax cuts were supposed to spur a new wave of investment. Instead, they triggered an all-time record binge of share buybacks – some $800bn in 2018 – by some of the most profitable companies in the US and led to record peacetime deficits (almost $1tn in fiscal 2019) in a country supposedly near full employment. And even with weak investment, the US had to borrow massively abroad: the most recent data show foreign borrowing at almost $500bn a year, with an increase of more than 10% in the country’s net indebtedness position in one year alone.

Likewise, Trump’s trade wars, for all their sound and fury, have not reduced the US trade deficit, which was one-quarter higher in 2018 than it was in 2016. The 2018 goods deficit was the largest on record. Even the deficit in trade with China was up almost a quarter from 2016. The US did get a new North American trade agreement, without the investment agreement provisions that the Business Roundtable wanted, without the provisions raising drug prices that the pharmaceutical companies wanted and with better labour and environmental provisions. Trump, a self-proclaimed master dealmaker, lost on almost every front in his negotiations with congressional Democrats, resulting in a slightly improved trade arrangement.

And despite Trump’s vaunted promises to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, the increase in manufacturing employment is still lower than it was under his predecessor, Barack Obama, once the post-2008 recovery set in, and is still markedly below its pre-crisis level. Even the unemployment rate, at a 50-year low, masks economic fragility. The employment rate for working-age males and females, while rising, has increased less than during the Obama recovery and is still significantly below that of other developed countries. The pace of job creation is also markedly slower than it was under Obama.

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Again, the low employment rate is not a surprise, not least because unhealthy people cannot work. Moreover, those on disability benefits, in prison – the US incarceration rate has increased more than sixfold since 1970, with some 2 million people currently behind bars – or so discouraged that they are not actively seeking jobs are not counted as “unemployed.” But, of course, they are not employed. Nor is it a surprise that a country that doesn’t provide affordable childcare or guarantee family leave would have lower female employment – adjusted for population, more than ten percentage points lower – than other developed countries.

Even judging by GDP, the Trump economy falls short. Last quarter’s growth was only 2.1%, far less than the 4%, 5% or even 6% Trump promised, and even less than the 2.4% average of Obama’s second term. That is a remarkably poor performance considering the stimulus provided by the $1tn deficit and ultra-low interest rates. This is not an accident or just a matter of bad luck: Trump’s brand is uncertainty, volatility and prevarication, whereas trust, stability, and confidence are essential for growth. So is equality, according to the International Monetary Fund.

So, Trump deserves failing grades not only on essential tasks such as upholding democracy and preserving our planet. He should not get a pass on the economy, either.

• Joseph E Stiglitz is a Nobel laureate in economics, university professor at Columbia University and chief economist at the Roosevelt Institute.

As you say Bigdaw the U.K. could be a mirror image of the USA but Trump has little care for the BAME community unless it’s in the top 1% 

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I do believe their is hope for America , Their is a younger generation of politicians of various ethnic backgrounds coming through. Its such a diverse population, It needs all of its population to be represented, Yet mostly rich or white leaders have been in place for to long. But that needs to change ,  they need a higher percentage from the working /middle class.

This younger generation hopefully won't bow down to the lobbyiest. They do need to introduce term limits though,You can't have someone in a position of power for 30+ years .

The president is the billionaire head of a global business empire. His cabinet is mostly millionaires. Most members of Congress are millionaires. Most supreme court justices are millionaires. Millionaires make up less than 3% of the general public, but have unified majority control of all three branches of the federal government. Working-class Americans, on the other hand, make up about half of the country. But they have never held more than 2% of the seats in any Congress since the nation was founded.

So its self interest most of the time. Now where do these people come from, Big bussiness, Banks , Law Firms, Family ties, Colleges like Harvard,Yale,Brown and so on. Candidates from working-class jobs made up just 4% of both Republican and Democratic candidates. Thats because its all controlled.

I was amazed when hidden in the covid stimulus money is $9million that Havard is getting from the federal government. That's America’s Richest University. Pretty sure their are plenty of x pupils from Harvard in congress or at least their backers went there.

What i do find disturbing in America is how their is no conversation between right and left. They just blame each other and its not about finding a solution, Its about making the other side look bad.

They devide between poor and middle class and the rich in American is unbelieveable. Some of the uninformed over here who might go for a Holiday will have no clue

The state of  Calafornia currently has the highest homeless population 151,000 , with almost 25 percent of the total population experiencing some form of homelessness. This figure is attributed to issues with providing affordable and adequate housing opportunities, current drug laws, and the inaccessibility of important mental health resources.

New York City 91.000 the highest levels since the Great Depression in the 1930s

The numbers of people who claim food stamps in 2019 was 38 million , That is staggering. However under Obama it reached as high as 58 million.

The point is American is no longer the the greastest country in the world, As Americans like to claim. Its an Empire on a downward spirial.

 

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4 hours ago, Bigdaw said:

I don't believe Trump is a White supremacist , But both Biden and Hillary Clinton have pictures taken with KKK leadership at Rallies. 

 

I dont believe Trump is a white supremacist either and I don't have much time for Clinton either.

My biggest problem with Trump is that he is not very bright and he doesn't care where he gets support from. He is an extraordinarily divisive character and much of what he has done as president has given validation to people who are white supremacists.

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14 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

I dont believe Trump is a white supremacist either and I dknt gave much time for Ckinton either.

My biggest problem with Trump is that he is not very bright and he doesnt care where he gets suppirt from. He is an extraordinarily divisive character and much of what he has done as president has given validation to people who are white supremacists.

No idea what his IQ is, He does deal in hyperbole. Sometimes people with low IQ and great wealth project themselve in an exaggerated way.

The main issue i have is his religous convictions and how their is no seperation from his job as POTUS. Not sure i think it should be advertised from the White house.

Does this guy ignore his advisors and make policy because God told him to.  But then again Americans are always spouting about God.

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2 hours ago, Bigdaw said:

The point is American is no longer the the greastest country in the world, As Americans like to claim. Its an Empire on a downward spirial.

 

^^^ this is very true and the most worrying aspect . 
The decline of the British empire in the main started before and after 2 world wars , there was a distraction of sorts and it couldn’t afford to fight to hold onto the Empire and in both wars .
It’s how the USA , a gun toting trigger happy country , handles its demise that will be interesting 

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29 minutes ago, Bigdaw said:

The main issue i have is his religious convictions and how there is no separation from his job as POTUS. Not sure i think it should be advertised from the White house.

Does this guy ignore his advisors and make policy because God told him to.  But then again Americans are always spouting about God.

Just as you suggested he is not a white supremacist, I am fairly certain the man has no religious convictions. But there is a lot of support to be had in the US from people who are seriously into a form of "religion" that they call Christianity but I certainly don't recognise it as such.

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2 hours ago, gdevoy said:

Just as you suggested he is not a white supremacist, I am fairly certain the man has no religious convictions. But there is a lot of support to be had in the US from people who are seriously into a form of "religion" that they call Christianity but I certainly don't recognise it as such.

Christianity to Trump is to hold a bible upside down outside a church and get his photo taken like you i dont believe the man has any christian values in the manner he behaves

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19 hours ago, Bigdaw said:

The main issue i have is his religous convictions and how their is no seperation from his job as POTUS. Not sure i think it should be advertised from the White house.

Does this guy ignore his advisors and make policy because God told him to.  But then again Americans are always spouting about God.

Trump? God?! 

I have never heard Trump talk about religion except when he has been confronted with it and it has been clear that he has no obvious religious affiliation. 

His God is golf, judging by how he spends his Sundays. 

Are you thinking of Mike Pence, who is a rabid Christian fundamentalist? 

 

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No problem with Trump enjoying his Golf. He want's to try getting a tee off time in Scotland atm though....Bloody hard.

I know all about Mike Pence and his History as Governor of Indiana and the cover ups of the child trafficking., 

The only reason he is on the ticket was to get the votes from the Christians evangelical's. In fact Trump is surrounded by them. They really do believe in the rapture and a battle between good and evil and the return of Jesus Christ, When the faithful ( THEM ) Will ascend to Heaven and the rest ( non believers ) will go to Hell.

All sounds daft , But that's why you can't trust these people to make sensible decisions . If you understand what they want ( Evangelical Christians) It is scary .

 

(From the Guardian news paper ) Jan 2019

The relationship between evangelicals and the president himself is complicated.

Trump himself embodies the very opposite of a pious Christian ideal. Trump is not churchgoer. He is profane, twice divorced, who has boasted of sexually assaulting women. But white evangelicals have embraced him.

Eighty per cent of white evangelicals voted for him in 2016, and his popularity among them is remains in the 70s. While other white voters have flaked away in the first two years of his presidency, white evangelicals have become his last solid bastion.

Vice President Mike Pence and Pompeo both cite evangelical theology as a powerful motivating force.For Pompeo’s audience, the rapture invoked an apocalyptical Christian vision of the future, a final battle between good and evil, and the second coming of Jesus Christ, when the faithful will ascend to heaven and the rest will go to hell.

These people do not care about us. 

So perhaps you guys are right and Trump is not really that Religous , But the people behind him are and those surrounding him are BIG TIME

Look at whats been happening around us today. Does it feel strange , Is it hard to explain , Its not normal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bigdaw said:

Eighty per cent of white evangelicals voted for him in 2016, and his popularity among them is remains in the 70s. While other white voters have flaked away in the first two years of his presidency, white evangelicals have become his last solid bastion.

 

 

 

 

I believe his popularity with white Christian fundamentalists is founded in the fact he is the only person who does not hold a mirror up to them. Other leaders tell them how delusional they are but Trump allows them to live in their delusions as long as they vote fir him.

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On 6/21/2020 at 5:06 AM, Bigdaw said:

I don't believe Trump is a White supremacist , But both Biden and Hillary Clinton have pictures taken with KKK leadership at Rallies.

If you are referring to Biden's picture with Robert Byrd, you are wrong. He was never 'leadership' and had long since denounced the KKK years before the picture.

Even if it were true, it's interesting that you point to this while suggesting that Trump isn't a White Supremacist,. The Clinton body count is the stuff of Qanon conspiracy. Next you'll be talking about pizzagate and Bill Gates planting tracking chips in COVID vaccines.

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1 hour ago, bute-killiefan said:

If you are referring to Biden's picture with Robert Byrd, you are wrong. He was never 'leadership' and had long since denounced the KKK years before the picture.

Even if it were true, it's interesting that you point to this while suggesting that Trump isn't a White Supremacist,. The Clinton body count is the stuff of Qanon conspiracy. Next you'll be talking about pizzagate and Bill Gates planting tracking chips in COVID vaccines.

I am pretty sure Biden's history as senator reveal his story. Clinton's have a paper trail , Dare i say Email trail that will hopefully one day lead to disaster for them. As for Pizzagate it make me happy that you have heard of the title. So few people are know how many Children go missing every year and that is on us all for not questioning it.

Qanon ....All that stuff who knows , I have an open mind. Can't prove it or disprove it at the moment.

Gates !!!!!!      Well lets ask India if they will allow an vaccine backed by Bill Gates to be used on their population again.

Good to see you question what you see though.

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Haha well this thread has taken a strange turn, emails? Pizzagate? 9_9

Pizzagate has already been debunked as a conspiracy theory spread by the alt-right on 4chan, 8chan, and Twitter to get a prosecution over 'emails'.

After Truth, Disinformation And The Cost is a good documentary if anyone is in any doubt about it.

Watch you don't fall off the edge of that flat earth big chap! xD

 

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19 hours ago, Bigdaw said:

I am pretty sure Biden's history as senator reveal his story. Clinton's have a paper trail , Dare i say Email trail that will hopefully one day lead to disaster for them. As for Pizzagate it make me happy that you have heard of the title. So few people are know how many Children go missing every year and that is on us all for not questioning it.

Qanon ....All that stuff who knows , I have an open mind. Can't prove it or disprove it at the moment.

Gates !!!!!!      Well lets ask India if they will allow an vaccine backed by Bill Gates to be used on their population again.

Good to see you question what you see though.

Wow... Know that people love you, and when you are ready to come back to planet earth, they will be waiting.

Or, keep an 'open mind' to the Qanon theories that Clinton is satanic and eats children. Whatever floats your boat.

There's a difference in questioning what I see and believing, or refusing to disbelieve, bats**t internet conspiracy theories that have been debunked time and again. Facts are facts, nothing can change them.

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