KillieFanInToon Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, gdevoy said: The US electorate seem to suffer from some kind of mass hysterical failure of cognitive reason. 1) They have the worst problem with gun crime in any developed country in the world and possibly quite a few 3rd world countries also but very, very few of them are able to associate this problem with the fact that anybody, regardless of their state of mental health can simply walk into a Walmart and walk out with an array of semi-automatic assault weapons. 2) They seem to have some issue with healthcare being free at the point of need. It seems to be beyond simply undesirable and in some way indicative that their community is being poisoned with communism. They don't seem bothered about folks getting their arms and legs shot off by nutters but heaven forefend that anybody gets medical aid without paying. But this is the society that many in the UK seem to look up to with reverence. You are wrong about Walmart. They stopped selling semi-automatic weapons in 2015 (I think) and you couldn't just walk out with a gun anyway, they have really stringent checks. Also, not all Walmart's sell guns, and they don't advertise which ones do, so it is not as easy as people seem to think. That's not to say America doesn't have a massive gun crime problem, it does, but I don't think making stuff up about it is helpful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, KillieFanInToon said: That's not to say America doesn't have a massive gun crime problem, it does, but I don't think making stuff up about it is helpful. Fair point. It appears that Walmart themselves have decided not to make gun purchase that easy since about 2015. So, it depends how determined you are and how legal you want to keep things. It also depends where you are. I know that in some places like New York it is actually quite difficult to own a gun legally while in other places like Texas it is much less regulated. I still think the "black people being shot by police" issue is as much down to the police having a real fear and expectation that the person they are trying to interview /arrest / subdue has a gun as it is down to white police hating black civilians. And that expectation is born out of the availability of guns on the streets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 3:15 PM, gdevoy said: Fair point. It appears that Walmart themselves have decided not to make gun purchase that easy since about 2015. So, it depends how determined you are and how legal you want to keep things. It also depends where you are. I know that in some places like New York it is actually quite difficult to own a gun legally while in other places like Texas it is much less regulated. I still think the "black people being shot by police" issue is as much down to the police having a real fear and expectation that the person they are trying to interview /arrest / subdue has a gun as it is down to white police hating black civilians. And that expectation is born out of the availability of guns on the streets. When are those dumb americans going to wake up to that arsehole trump defending that 17 year old murderer and the publicity stunt of talking to the local police but not the poor guy shot by the police and finally taking the praise for sending the national guard to stop the town getting burned down in his words when it was the state Governer who called them in . This is the arse hole who is fanning all this racial trouble do the world a favour and vote this racist dick head into oblivation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, killie1961 said: This is the arse hole who is fanning all this racial trouble ............................ 100% this and it is going to get him re-elected and he doesn't care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, killie1961 said: When are those dumb americans going to wake up to that arsehole trump about the same time the sheep who believe were in an equal union and its a force for good realise neither it remotely accurate. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: about the same time the sheep who believe were in an equal union and its a force for good realise neither it remotely accurate. That’s some comparison, even by your standards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fudger said: That’s some comparison, even by your standards. Made you bite. But lets be honest, we have the Mcleans who beleive every single thing wm says about Scotland, every single thing that any unionist broadcaster says about the SNP. He is no different from the sheep in the US who live Trump. He is abaolutely MTEGA. Most normal people accept that Trump is a mysoginistic nut job who dribbles whatever pish appears in his tiny brain. Likewise the vast majority if the SNP baad nonsense, which is broadcast and posted, in the media. There is soo much fake news around and most of it comes from 'official' sources unfortunately and on both sides of the Atlantic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 12 hours ago, Beaker71 said: Made you bite. But lets be honest, we have the Mcleans who beleive every single thing wm says about Scotland, every single thing that any unionist broadcaster says about the SNP. He is no different from the sheep in the US who live Trump. He is abaolutely MTEGA. Most normal people accept that Trump is a mysoginistic nut job who dribbles whatever pish appears in his tiny brain. Likewise the vast majority if the SNP baad nonsense, which is broadcast and posted, in the media. There is soo much fake news around and most of it comes from 'official' sources unfortunately and on both sides of the Atlantic. How did we divert even a US politics thread into the oppression of the noble Scottish people ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, gdevoy said: How did we divert even a US politics thread into the oppression of the noble Scottish people ? Because that's where we are at in Scotland now. Dairy milks have shrunk in size but are still the same price........must be some blame we can attach to being part of the union OR maybe they would be more expensive if we were independent. I'm sure there's a debate to be had in there.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, gdevoy said: How did we divert even a US politics thread into the oppression of the noble Scottish people ? We didn't divert it I used this to show a comparison between trumpites and Sxots who still.think the UK is a union of equals. Their delusion is universal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fudger said: Because that's where we are at in Scotland now. Dairy milks have shrunk in size but are still the same price........must be some blame we can attach to being part of the union OR maybe they would be more expensive if we were independent. I'm sure there's a debate to be had in there.... that's mclean levels of childishness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Fudger said: Because that's where we are at in Scotland now. Dairy milks have shrunk in size but are still the same price........must be some blame we can attach to being part of the union OR maybe they would be more expensive if we were independent. I'm sure there's a debate to be had in there.... Good point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Bonbon19 said: Good point it really really isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: that's mclean levels of childishness. You and McLean have a very similar style 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just now, Beaker71 said: it really really isn't. It really really is , you don’t have to compare what happens in every other country or state with what’s happening in the U.K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said: It really really is , you don’t have to compare what happens in every other country or state with what’s happening in the U.K. I was comparing the unionist SNP baad mentality to the trumpites. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: We didn't divert it I used this to show a comparison between trumpites and Sxots who still.think the UK is a union of equals. Their delusion is universal. Trump encourages his followers to believe in mysterious malevolent dark forces pulling the strings of the mainstream meeja. Suppose now we were to bring in an independent arbitrator, which side of the independence debate do you think they might say that was closest to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, gdevoy said: Trump encourages his followers to believe in mysterious malevolent dark forces pulling the strings of the mainstream meeja. Suppose now we were to bring in an independent arbitrator, which side of the independence debate do you think they might say that was closest to? Seeing as there were breaches of purdah, and admission on live TV of postal votes being opened and shared with the better together side. Thats before the also potential breaches of the BBC charter after it was found to have shown clear bias (by its won watchdog) and assisted one side with free studio space to create a fake unionidt grass roots group, is also considered. I would say that an independent arbiter was potentially a good thing. Ensuring both sides play by the rules jo matter how loose or tight those rules may be. Don't remember any potential electoral breaches by or the BBC handing free studio and editing space to the YES side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: Don't remember any potential electoral breaches by or the BBC handing free studio and editing space to the YES side. I agree the BBC is definitely not an independent arbitrator. They have a clear duty to suppirt the establishment and the rulling intelectual elite's pet cult projects. But .... I seem to remember Alex telling us it was all agreed we could walk straight into the EU. He had legal advice ... and then he hadnae. Then we would get a currency union ... the we couldnae. Just a couple of the works of fiction behind the YES campaign. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, gdevoy said: I agree the BBC is definitely not an independent arbitrator. They have a clear duty to suppirt the establishment and the rulling intelectual elite's pet cult projects. But .... I seem to remember Alex telling us it was all agreed we could walk straight into the EU. He had legal advice ... and then he hadnae. That one I might concede to 33 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Then we would get a currency union ... the we couldnae. Sorry but this one is bollocks even Mark Carney who was governor for the BoE said this was what would be the case as rUK couldn't afford to lose 10% of its GDP ehich backed sterling. Youve gon e all lets just beleive wm here. 33 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Just a couple of the works of fiction behind the YES campaign. So perhaps one... none of those are in anyway equivalent to the electoral breaches perpetrated by the NO side. Report card says capable of better based on thisnoke Devoy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Beaker71 said: Sorry but this one is bollocks even Mark Carney who was governor for the BoE said this was what would be the case as rUK couldn't afford to lose 10% of its GDP ehich backed sterling. Youve gon e all lets just beleive wm here. I'll concede the eventual outcome may well have been a currency union after some horse trading but Osborne burst Salmond's baw politically by "ruling it out". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, gdevoy said: I'll concede the eventual outcome may well have been a currency union after some horse trading but Osborne burst Salmond's baw politically by "ruling it out". Salmond was daft to allow, or the media were clever (and quick) to prey on, Osbourne refusing a currency union. If they'd used another word apart from union, (eg partnership) it would have been less of a psychological sticking point for wavering No Voters backing the union in 2014. Are clever them Tories, but Sterling is a convertible currency so anybody can use it. Whether, in the last 6 years, use of the £ was actually better than using the $, or €, in a strictly financial sense, is highly debatable, with Ireland now having an economy 68% bigger than Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Trump Latest thread or Indy Ref 2014 debate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 4 hours ago, casual observer said: Trump Latest thread or Indy Ref 2014 debate? Take a look at the majority of the threads on here and it reverts to the 2014 debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, Fudger said: Take a look at the majority of the threads on here and it reverts to the 2014 debate. Correction, it reverts to the 2021 IndyRef! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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