gdevoy Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 With the UK government beginning to lose patience with Hollyrood's insistence that "devolution means devolution" could it be that the United Kingdom has become just too integrated into and evolved with the EU over 40 years to simply withdraw as a unit? Considering the Irish Border issues the Devolved Powers issues and not forgetting some major issues with Gibraltar land border too, could Brexit be the catalyst for the final break-up of the United Kingdom? I see this devolved powers issue turning into the slender edge of the wedge that leads to indyref2. I can see Theresa and chums taking some Scots Tories with her but a very substantial majority of the population of Gods own Country have come to quite like having a parliament of their own. Also Westminster's attempt to sell the fishing communities of the North East down the river to get a financial services deal may well win back some of those SNP seats lost at the last election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 58 minutes ago, gdevoy said: could Brexit be the catalyst for the final break-up of the United Kingdom? Probably not. The Brexit lot will play the victim card when Brexit starts going tits up. Brexit's being bullied by the EU, bullied by the SNP, bullied by the Irish. Load of pish of course, but it's a strong enough narrative to fool enough folk for long enough! IMO is more chance of Ireland uniting than Scotland leaving, because of the prescribed manner in which a united Ireland could happen in the good Friday agreement - it's all laid out in steps. Is no such set out pathway for Scotland to leave the UK. All Scotland has to protect itself is it's legal system, which 300 years of union hasn't managed to dissolve. On that basis, I wouldn't fancy Westminster's chances in a "power grab". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, gdevoy said: With the UK government beginning to lose patience with Hollyrood's insistence that "devolution means devolution" Is that the Scottish film industry? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 Speaking of which, Creative Scotland gave Netflix a million pounds, described by their publicist as " a bonus ". In other news the Scottish Youth Theatre is closing down due to withdrawal of funds from Creative Scotland. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted March 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Mclean07 said: Speaking of which, Creative Scotland gave Netflix a million pounds, described by their publicist as " a bonus ". In other news the Scottish Youth Theatre is closing down due to withdrawal of funds from Creative Scotland. You really seem to see the nationalists as "faux left". I disagree but that's a discussion for another day. What I am really toiling with is how anybody with a socialist agenda can support a party lead by someone committed to a UK outside the EU. The inevitable result of this will be a US style low wage, low tax, zero benefits economy. The only group who can advance their agenda through Brexit are the likes of Liam Fox, IDS BJ and the Alt-right. Why Jezza, clearly a Marxist within a socialist party is keen on embracing a US style economy is totally beyond my comprehension. perhaps you could explain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 4 hours ago, gdevoy said: You really seem to see the nationalists as "faux left". I disagree but that's a discussion for another day. What I am really toiling with is how anybody with a socialist agenda can support a party lead by someone committed to a UK outside the EU. The inevitable result of this will be a US style low wage, low tax, zero benefits economy. The only group who can advance their agenda through Brexit are the likes of Liam Fox, IDS BJ and the Alt-right. Why Jezza, clearly a Marxist within a socialist party is keen on embracing a US style economy is totally beyond my comprehension. perhaps you could explain. Don't you see, NETFLIX WAS GIVEN SOME MONEY. All this Brexit stuff is just trivial in comparison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, bute-killiefan said: Don't you see, NETFLIX WAS GIVEN SOME MONEY. All this Brexit stuff is just trivial in comparison They also got a good return for the money spent - at least according to the BBC. If they had given it all to the Youth Theatre, the SNPBAD brigade would the be first to complain it wasn't given to more mainstream outfits like Netflx shooting a Robert the Bruce thing that would offer a better financial return. Either way, it's better than before devolution, when Braveheart got shot on location, in the Republic of Ireland, because the Irish gave grants to film there.. New Netflix historical drama Outlaw King is boosting Scotland's economy by more than 10 times what was spent on it. The Scottish government says the film has already generated £17.5m and increased employment opportunities. The production was awarded £500,000 from the Production Growth Fund and another £500,000 from the National Lottery, through Creative Scotland. It was shot in locations including Craigmillar, Aviemore and Glencoe. Principal photography is now complete on the feature film which was produced by Glasgow-based Sigma Films and backed by streaming service Netflix. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42307677 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, RAG said: They also got a good return for the money spent - at least according to the BBC. If they had given it all to the Youth Theatre, the SNPBAD brigade would the be first to complain it wasn't given to more mainstream outfits like Netflx shooting a Robert the Bruce thing that would offer a better financial return. Either way, it's better than before devolution, when Braveheart got shot on location, in the Republic of Ireland, because the Irish gave grants to film there.. New Netflix historical drama Outlaw King is boosting Scotland's economy by more than 10 times what was spent on it. The Scottish government says the film has already generated £17.5m and increased employment opportunities. The production was awarded £500,000 from the Production Growth Fund and another £500,000 from the National Lottery, through Creative Scotland. It was shot in locations including Craigmillar, Aviemore and Glencoe. Principal photography is now complete on the feature film which was produced by Glasgow-based Sigma Films and backed by streaming service Netflix. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42307677 yeah but, yeah but, yeah but 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 59 minutes ago, bute-killiefan said: yeah but, yeah but, yeah but The Gower Prab - getting back on topic. Now detail on BBC website with a weird interview that seems almost completely unrelated to the matter in question. Make of that what you will! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43343716 24 Areas in dispute.. Agricultural support - Policies and regulations relating to income, market support, agriculture, productivity and maintenance grants. Agriculture, fertiliser regulations - Common standards for compositional ingredients, labelling, packaging, sampling and analysis of fertilisers. Agriculture, GMO marketing and cultivation - Standards for marketing and cultivation of genetically modified organisms. Agriculture, organic farming - Regulations setting out standards for organic production certification. Agriculture, zootech - Rules on breeding and trade in pedigree animals and germinal products in the EU and the treatment of imports from third countries. Animal health and traceability - EU rules and standards that aim to maintain animal health and allow their movement, including policies covering prevention of disease, control of disease surveillance movement of livestock, pet passports and veterinary medicines. Animal welfare - On-farm issues, movement of livestock and slaughter. Chemicals regulation (including pesticides) - Classification, labelling and packaging of substances and mixtures; the placing on the market and use of biocidal products; the export and import of hazardous chemicals; the registration, evaluation, authorisation and restriction of chemicals and plant protection products. Elements of reciprocal healthcare Environmental quality, chemicals - Regulation of the manufacture, authorisation and sale and use of chemical products . Environmental quality, ozone depleting, substances and F-gases - The UK has international obligations under the Montreal Protocol to phase out the use of ODS, phase down hydrofluorocarbons by 85% by 2036, licence imports and exports and report on usage to the UN. Environmental quality, pesticides - Regulations governing the authorisation and use of pesticide products and the maximum residue levels in food, and a framework for action on sustainable use of pesticides. Environmental quality, waste packaging and product regulations - Product standards including for packaging (e.g. ROHS in Electrical and Electronic Equipment, Batteries and Vehicles) in order to manage waste. Fisheries management and support - Rules relating to the sustainability of fisheries (quotas), access to waters, conservation measures, enforcement and financial support. Food and feed safety and hygiene law - Food and feed safety and hygiene; food and feed law enforcement (official controls); food safety labelling; risk analysis; and incident handling. Food compositional standards - Minimum standards for a range of specific food commodities such as sugars, coffee, honey, caseins, condensed milk, chocolate, jams, fruit juices and bottled water. Food labelling - Requirements on provision of information to consumers on food labels. Hazardous substances planning - Land-use planning, including: planning controls relating to the storage of hazardous substances and handling development proposals for hazardous establishments. Implementation of EU Emissions Trading System - This directive area establishes the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme for greenhouse gas. The Scheme sets a maximum amount of greenhouse gas that can be emitted by all participating installations and aircrafts; these operators then monitor, verify and report their emissions, and must surrender allowances equivalent to their emissions annually. Mutual recognition of professional qualifications - Directives that create systems for the recognition for professional qualifications and professional experience throughout the EU. Allowing EU professionals to work in regulated professions in other EU states on either a permanent or temporary basis. Nutrition health claims, composition and labelling - Nutrition and health claims made on food; food for special medical purposes and weight control; food intended for infants; the addition of vitamins and other substances to food; and food supplements. Plant health, seeds and propagating material - Import and internal EU movement of plants and plant products, risk assessment of new plant pests and outbreak management. Assurance and auditing of policies across the UK to protect plant biosecurity. Requirements for plant variety rights, registration of plant varieties and quality assurance of marketed seed and propagating material. Public procurement - The regime provided by the EU procurement Directives, covering public procurement contracts for supplies, services, works and concessions above certain financial thresholds awarded by the public sector and by utilities operating in the energy, water, transport and postal services sectors. Services Directive - Directive that seeks to realise the full potential of services markets in Europe by removing legal and administrative barriers to trade by increasing transparency and making it easier for businesses and consumers to provide or use services in the EU Single Market. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted March 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RAG said: The Gower Prab - getting back on topic. I am surprised how slow the SNP have been to respond to the Westminster statement that they are, in effect, for the purposes of Brexit, going to just ignore devolution. What ever happened to the "more powers" commitment in 2014? Oh, and when it comes to ignoring things for the purpose of Brexit, there is also Ireland, Business leaders concerns, Gibraltar, etc. etc.............. Edited March 9, 2018 by gdevoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, gdevoy said: I am surprised how slow the SNP have been to respond to the Westminster statement that they are, in effect, for the purposes of Brexit, going to just ignore devolution. What ever happened to the "more powers" commitment in 2014? Things is, its not how the SNP or I respond to it - its the people like yourself. Remain voting No Voters, annoyed by this Tory Brexit. Were May to behave like Thatcher in the 80s over this, it could tip balance among Labour voters on independence - well maybe.. Times change, as do opinions. How it all pans out we'll see in due course. My guess is SNP will see the Tories in the courts over this. Seems to be 2016 Brexit bill v 1997 devolution settlement. They always said the 97 devo bill was botched - we'll soon find out! Edited March 9, 2018 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted March 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, RAG said: Remain voting No Voters, annoyed by this Tory Brexit. That's me. And the current Tory arrogance over this is pushing this No voter very defiantly in the Mibbe direction right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, gdevoy said: That's me. And the current Tory arrogance over this is pushing this No voter very defiantly in the Mibbe direction right now. Some SNP dude explained it in 2014 along the lines of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Unthinkable Radical Acceptable Sensible Popular Policy It's an insult to suggest it's a binary YES/NO choice like ticking a box. A lot of thought goes before the simple box ticking!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 Why are people who want to cut ties with their biggest market worry about cutting ties with a smaller market. At least No/Remsin voters are consistent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: Why are people who want to cut ties with their biggest market worry about cutting ties with a smaller market. At least No/Remsin voters are consistent. Because that so-called bigger market is determined to ensure the utter ruination of the whole island to suit an internal faction of ultra right wing lunatics. But hey you go on supporting it ya utter bellend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 Thought this was about someone trying to sign Power 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman396 Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) On 10/03/2018 at 12:47 PM, Beaker71 said: Because that so-called bigger market is determined to ensure the utter ruination of the whole island to suit an internal faction of ultra right wing lunatics. But hey you go on supporting it ya utter bellend. You are right that ruining a whole island for spurious "local laws for local people" reasons is far worse than ruining a smaller constituent part of that island for spurious "local laws for local people" reasons. The question now is not which is better for Scotland but which is less worse. Is staying with a Brexited UK worse than leaving the EU as part of the UK and then leaving the UK and hoping to gain entry back into the EU. I honestly don't know and probably in all honesty no one else does at this stage. Only those to whom facts are a distraction are certain. Looking at the Brexit negotiations I have come to realise the wrong people are negotiating and I am not talking about the obvious hopeless personalities involved. I am talking about it should be being negotiated by Remain supporters because at least they would try and retain good links with the EU and are not out to destroy the country for the sake of their racial purity ideology. If we ever leap off the cliff into the maelstrom of an iScotland the Scexit should be negotiated by those who don't have a vested interest in making it a conflict. p.s. McLean, please don't agree with me Edited March 23, 2018 by Sandman396 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 It just gets sillier ànd sillier every single day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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