Zorro Posted May 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 I thought @Mclean07 would have been back on to explain why he thinks Brexit, fracking and ripping up Labours devolution settlement are good things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Jim Sillars is a moon unit, McLean trying to claim his views show the SNP are starting to agree with his is f**king hilarious. Proves just how utterly deluded he really is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Ah, old Zorro diverting again. Jim Sillars referred to Indy 2, which I would say was a bad decision for the Nats and fracking, which is perfectly fine with me if done properly. The Nats haven't really banned it anyway I'm still waiting for McIroy's list of achievements, but I don't blame him for not producing it, as it doesn't exist. Sure, apart from the middle Scotland welfare benefits, they've tried a few things round the edges, but even those would be impossible without poorer parts of the UK subsiding us by ten billion pound a year. Anything they have achieved has been swept away by their disasterous handling of the economy, education and increasingly, the NHS. A pitiful record for ten years in Government. Anyway, I'll sign off now for the close season. Looking forward to ten days at Lake Annecy in France then taking Mrs Mclean07 to see James Taylor in Leeds followed by a couple of nights at the Edinburgh Festival. Ta ta for now..... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Anyway, I'll sign off now for the close season. Looking forward to ten days at Lake Annecy in France then taking Mrs Mclean07 to see James Taylor in Leeds followed by a couple of nights at the Edinburgh Festival. Enjoy your holiday as much as we will PS, the close season will be over by the time the Edinburgh Festival rolls around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Looking forward to ten days at Lake Annecy in France..... You do know they have never found the murderer?! Have a good 'un! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Ah, old Zorro diverting again. Jim Sillars referred to Indy 2, which I would say was a bad decision for the Nats and fracking, which is perfectly fine with me if done properly. The Nats haven't really banned it anyway I'm still waiting for McIroy's list of achievements, but I don't blame him for not producing it, as it doesn't exist. Sure, apart from the middle Scotland welfare benefits, they've tried a few things round the edges, but even those would be impossible without poorer parts of the UK subsiding us by ten billion pound a year. Anything they have achieved has been swept away by their disasterous handling of the economy, education and increasingly, the NHS. A pitiful record for ten years in Government. Anyway, I'll sign off now for the close season. Looking forward to ten days at Lake Annecy in France then taking Mrs Mclean07 to see James Taylor in Leeds followed by a couple of nights at the Edinburgh Festival. Ta ta for now..... At least James Taylor's got a friend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 Ah, old Zorro diverting again. Jim Sillars referred to Indy 2, which I would say was a bad decision for the Nats and fracking, which is perfectly fine with me if done properly. The Nats haven't really banned it anyway I'm still waiting for McIroy's list of achievements, but I don't blame him for not producing it, as it doesn't exist. Sure, apart from the middle Scotland welfare benefits, they've tried a few things round the edges, but even those would be impossible without poorer parts of the UK subsiding us by ten billion pound a year. Anything they have achieved has been swept away by their disasterous handling of the economy, education and increasingly, the NHS. A pitiful record for ten years in Government. Anyway, I'll sign off now for the close season. Looking forward to ten days at Lake Annecy in France then taking Mrs Mclean07 to see James Taylor in Leeds followed by a couple of nights at the Edinburgh Festival. Ta ta for now..... You’ve gotta love McLean. He turns a topic about the Labour leader, pointing the finger of blame at the tories, for the growth of food banks, into an attack on the Snp. Rolls out the “too wee, too poor, too stupid” mantra. Rambles on for a bit in the hope everyone falls asleep before they realise they’ve read it all before. Then closes with the worst holiday itinerary ever. All this after accusing me of “diverting again”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 At least Sillars believes in true independence for his country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 At least Sillars believes in true independence for his country. I left a job with decent prospects near London to live and work here in God's Own Country. I love Scotland and think it is the best small county in the world ... but... I kinda like the idea of being able to afford eat and to heat my house in winter and to afford fuel to run a motor car. I like the idea of a health service that provides medical care independent of ability to pay and can look after it's elderly population. So Jim can believe in whatever image of independence he thinks is "true" but I'm not interested in buying what he is selling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I left a job with decent prospects near London to live and work here in God's Own Country. I love Scotland and think it is the best small county in the world ... but... I kinda like the idea of being able to afford eat and to heat my house in winter and to afford fuel to run a motor car. I like the idea of a health service that provides medical care independent of ability to pay and can look after it's elderly population. So Jim can believe in whatever image of independence he thinks is "true" but I'm not interested in buying what he is selling. I can just never get my head round wanting independence from London but not Brussels. Sillars believes in proper independence, not having decisions made many miles away from base camp from people who we have even less in common with than our current "imperial masters". -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I can just never get my head round wanting independence from London but not Brussels. No country on the globe to day is ever completely "independent". Every nation on the planet has a number of alliances and give and take arrangements with multiple other countries. Scotland is dependent on the rest of the UK and on many countries in the EU. What disturbs me right now is the mind-set which seems to have taken hold within the UK, but particularly in Engerland, that the best way forward for us is to cut ourself off from the rest of Europe. The idea seems to be that the only reason we don't have multiple, bounteous trade deals with China, India and the USA is them pesky Europeans. Actually the reason we don't have such deals is that they don't exist. China and the USA drive a bloody hard bargin with anybody they do business with and our best position is as part of the EU trading block, otherwise we would just get trampled on. Substitute Scotland for the UK and you have the Jim Sillars position. I think if the UK does cut itself of from the EU, it is possible but not certain that our best option would be to be part of the EU rather than the UK. I await Nicola's "recalibration". But any way you dice it up after Brexit is sub-optimal for everybody in the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 I can just never get my head round wanting independence from London but not Brussels. Have you actually had a look around and seen what Westminster policies over the past 50-odd years have done to this country...? How about he decimation of industry and production for starters? How about the selling off of all our national assets to the highest bidder? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Fudger your comment shows that you are ether trolling or wilfully ignorant of what the constitutional arrangements of Scotland in the UK (control 15% of our nation with the remaining 85% being run by and for London’s elite, and The member states and the EU is (control 90% as a fully fledged independent nation and member of the UN, with 10% controlled with your input being pivotal to decisions which are shared with the other 26 and soon to be 25 member states). Both situations are so different that to try and claim they are the same is nonsensical at best and downright malicious at worst. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Independence is in your head. It’s a state of mind. It’s not waving a f**king flag and hating c**ts who you’ve convinced yourself are oppressing you. Reasoned argument as usual, full of insightful and well thought out debate! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Stop being malicious Fudger. Yawn, most of the time you’re as bad as McLean only with more profanity. both of you deflect with different types of pish, but it’s atill deflection. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted September 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 Jezza actually coming across quite well at PMQ’s today. May looking weak and rattled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zorro said: Jezza actually coming across quite well at PMQ’s today. May looking weak and rattled. Agreed. When he made the dancing joke her face changed mid expression as she got confused as to what her expression should be. Edited September 5, 2018 by Mclean07 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 If Corbyn and his party had got behind "Remain" with some enthusiasm instead of his usual wishy-washy performance we wouldn't be in this mess now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: ........... she got confused as to what her expression should be. That happens quite a lot with Teresa. She might be very academically and politically sharp bur she really struggles socially when it comes to thinking on her feet. Think if how she handled her meet the people trip to Grenfell Tower. Or, indeed, how she handled the bouncing spinner "what's the naughtiest thing you've ever done?" For a high status politician on a public forum there is no right answer to that one. It's a "when did you stop beating your wife ?" type question. She should have known that. Her best escape strategy would have been something along the lines of, smiling, "well I could tell you but then I'd have to shoot you." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Wrangodog said: If Corbyn and his party had got behind "Remain" with some enthusiasm instead of his usual wishy-washy performance we wouldn't be in this mess now. As all of the North of England voted leave, they'd be screwed in their traditional Northern heartlands. After losing Scotland, Labour can't risk annoying the British nationalists that want a hard Brexit, taking back control of sovreignty. Self preservation over the national interest. They got their fingers burnt in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, RAG said: As all of the North of England voted leave, they'd be screwed in their traditional Northern heartlands. After losing Scotland, Labour can't risk annoying the British nationalists that want a hard Brexit, taking back control of sovreignty. Self preservation over the national interest. They got their fingers burnt in Scotland. Sounds like, just like the Tories, they are totally daffy ducked. They know bailing out of the EU is just daft but are terrified of getting a kicking from the electorate if they say this. Perhaps the strategy is to let the Tories take us out and then let them take the kicking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Sounds like, just like the Tories, they are totally daffy ducked. They know bailing out of the EU is just daft but are terrified of getting a kicking from the electorate if they say this. Perhaps the strategy is to let the Tories take us out and then let them take the kicking. It's party politics over the national interest IMO, just what happens at WM. Brexit will be chaos, saw a poll saying there's 60% wanting a united Ireland should Hard Brexit go ahead, marginally in favour of Scotland independence too. With the Brexit impact being estimated as almost as large on the Republic of Ireland as the UK, will be a lot of pissed off people on the Island of Ireland. A majority in the North that didn't vote for it and not a soul in the South who even got a say in the matter - unless they were resident in the UK - Irish being only EU nationals that could vote for Brexit. If that scenario happens and Corbyn's in power or opposition, as a well known Irish republican, Labour really are finished. Corbyn 100% would have to be replaced IMO. Leaving the rest of the UK to be governed by Boris probably. The futures bright! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, RAG said: The futures bright! DUP taking over? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 43 minutes ago, RAG said: The futures bright! In the context of Ireland that could be the semtex exploding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 It's a shame JC doesn't want to be PM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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