Brexit

[RAG]

4 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

A no deal.will close businesses within weeks.  The English site of my work makes pressure equipment which is CE marked.  Weve been told that ALL certification,  welding,  NDE, Materials etc. Are null and void instantly in a no deal scenario.

Standardisation or equivalence of standards was an important part of the initial debate post Brexit deal chat.    Industrially, they'll need to keep accepting CE or just accept the American standard, although with differences in voltage and hz for electrical stuff, that might not be possible.

[Squirrelhumper]

This clown was in parliament asking for childcare to be paid as he has to work tomorrow!!!!!

[Beaker71]

37 minutes ago, RAG said:

Standardisation or equivalence of standards was an important part of the initial debate post Brexit deal chat.    Industrially, they'll need to keep accepting CE or just accept the American standard, although with differences in voltage and hz for electrical stuff, that might not be possible.

Equivalence of standards isnt necessarily the issue to start with, it's the notified body situation with things which you cannot self certify.  In effect in a hard brexit all notified bodies in the UK for everything cease to be recognised in the EU, which literally f**ks everyone and everything.

[RAG]

4 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

Equivalence of standards isnt necessarily the issue to start with, it's the notified body situation with things which you cannot self certify.  In effect in a hard brexit all notified bodies in the UK for everything cease to be recognised in the EU, which literally f**ks everyone and everything.

Interesting point.  Although TBF, fecks only 10-12% of EU's single market and exactly 100% of the UK's future exports.

[gdevoy]

4 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Your leader acts as if not one of her supporters voted for Brexit. One third did, as did some MSPs. Ocht, jings, crivens, help ma boab, I’m forgetting all votes are 100% for the Leader in the SNP. No dissent allowed. She also acts as if no Scots voted Brexit. More did than have ever voted for the Nats. 

These Labour MPs are effectively voting to give Johnson a mandate for the Tories to run the country and Brexit. Alleged socialists voting to empower an extreme right wing government. No wonder they have been hunted out of Scotland. Bevan's would be burling in his grave.

[RAG]

25 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

These Labour MPs are effectively voting to give Johnson a mandate for the Tories to run the country and Brexit. Alleged socialists voting to empower an extreme right wing government. No wonder they have been hunted out of Scotland. Bevan's would be burling in his grave.

TBF Thatcher, maybe even Churchill ,will be turning in their graves with the Brexit madness of isolating the UK out-with a dominant (since reunification) Germany in Europe.  Rot probably set in in ERM in 1992 or not joining single currency - given £'s fall since the euro vs dollar or euro itself.

Is classic psychology really in the end.  Fight or flight. Brexit is a legging it, flight strategy. 'Germany has too much power in EU, for us to take them on effectively' so say the leavers. Is a BS, inward looking, island mentality.  One Bevan would not have approved of in a more globalised, interconnected world.  Unlike Thatcher, Churchill, Salmond or Sturgeon, we already know BoJo isn't a conviction politician and needs 2 sets of last minute lists to determine his final opinion on the EU and Brexit.

Edited October 18, 2019 by RAG

[gdevoy]

43 minutes ago, RAG said:

TBF Thatcher, maybe even Churchill ,will be turning in their graves with the Brexit madness of isolating the UK out-with a dominant (since reunification) Germany in Europe.  Rot probably set in in ERM in 1992 or not joining single currency - given £'s fall since the euro vs dollar or euro itself.

Aye, 'cause the rUK (minus NI) leaving the EU is really going to disempower Germany  gobally. And that wee island just off the European coast that used to run everything 200years ago is really going to be calling the shots. Dreams of Empire when the UK ran everything because they were more educated than everybody else will count for hee haw in the real world.

[Squirrelhumper]

Surely to f**k Labour aren't going to vote this through.

 

[gdevoy]

24 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Surely to f**k Labour aren't going to vote this through.

 

Just rejoice at the news as Hilda once said. It certainly looks like BoJo has"united" the country. Well if you ignore the fact he has thrown the ever loyal DUP under a bus and probably made both Labour and the Tories unelectable in Scotland.

He then calls a GE, gets a landslide based on Getting Brexit Done, despite 50 odd SNP MPs, tells wee Nicola te eff off with her referendum and spends the next 5 years selling the NHS off to American corporations.

Or you think Corbyn will emerge as the next PM? Really?

[Beaker71]

5 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Just rejoice at the news as Hilda once said. It certainly looks like BoJo has"united" the country. Well if you ignore the fact he has thrown the ever loyal DUP under a bus and probably made both Labour and the Tories unelectable in Scotland.

He then calls a GE, gets a landslide based on Getting Brexit Done, despite 50 odd SNP MPs, tells wee Nicola te eff off with her referendum and spends the next 5 years selling the NHS off to American corporations.

Or you think Corbyn will emerge as the next PM? Really?

Live how this voluntary union isnt voluntary tor unionists who appear to think scotlsnf is owned by the English parliament.

[Mclean07]

Just seen SNP spokesperson saying “Downing Street doesn’t care about Scotland”. They make you cringe for our proud nation with their diet of grievance for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 

[Beaker71]

Just now, Mclean07 said:

Just seen SNP spokesperson saying “Downing Street doesn’t care about Scotland”. They make you cringe for our proud nation with their diet of grievance for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 

Away and take your face fir a s**te.  Have you ever actually looked at what has happened since 2014 and even before that????

You'd be ad well at ibrox for your union blinkers are always in full flow.  Absolutely fuxking clueless.

[Beaker71]

1 minute ago, Mclean07 said:

our proud nation

That's right nation, country, older than our neighbours by 1000 years.  Were not a region,  we are not an annex we are a proud nation.  Only you wish us to continue being ruled by someone else for their benefit.

The hypocrisy in your posts is astounding.

[gdevoy]

3 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Just seen SNP spokesperson saying “Downing Street doesn’t care about Scotland”. They make you cringe for our proud nation with their diet of grievance for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 

Which part of "Downig street doesn't care about Scotland" is it you disagree with?

I agree the SNP play on the grievance but in this case they are 100% right.

[Mclean07]

1 minute ago, Beaker71 said:

Away and take your face fir a s**te.  Have you ever actually looked at what has happened since 2014 and even before that????

You'd be ad well at ibrox for your union blinkers are always in full flow.  Absolutely fuxking clueless.

You should try a post without shouting crudities like s**te all the time. It’s no substitute for debate. Not sure why a centre left, Killie fan would go to Ibrox. Grow up and get some nuance in your life.

[Mclean07]

Just now, gdevoy said:

Which part of "Downig street doesn't care about Scotland" is it you disagree with?

I agree the SNP play on the grievance but in this case they are 100% right.

I don’t think they care about anyone, not just Scotland. I just get embarrassed with the constant special case whining.

[Beaker71]

1 minute ago, Mclean07 said:

You should try a post without shouting crudities like s**te all the time. It’s no substitute for debate. Not sure why a centre left, Killie fan would go to Ibrox. Grow up and get some nuance in your life.

Centre left.... YOU, who support the right wing UK over a centre left Scotland....

Aye very good.  You need to come into the real world instead of the 1970s.

[Beaker71]

Just now, Mclean07 said:

I don’t think they care about anyone, not just Scotland. I just get embarrassed with the constant special case whining.

You should be embarrassed, for yourself and your posts.  The SNP at least try and stand up for Scotlsnd and as fat as they are concerned we are a special case.  This is what's wrong with you, you accept the unionist mantra that we are just another region,  you can post about nation all you like but as long as you accept being ruled by another country  and don't see us as special then you will be part of the problem and not the solution 

[Mclean07]

Just now, Beaker71 said:Centre left.... YOU, who support the right wing UK over a centre left Scotland....

Aye very good.  You need to come into the real world instead of the 1970s.

No I support a centre left UK. I support the only party that has introduced meaningful social change in the last hundred years. I know you think each country should be a one party state but that’s not how it works. Unlike inside your own party, people in general are allowed to chose. Now, way and put on your Jimmy hat and wave your flag.

[Mclean07]

Just now, Beaker71 said:

You should be embarrassed, for yourself and your posts.  The SNP at least try and stand up for Scotlsnd and as fat as they are concerned we are a special case.  This is what's wrong with you, you accept the unionist mantra that we are just another region,  you can post about nation all you like but as long as you accept being ruled by another country  and don't see us as special then you will be part of the problem and not the solution 

The SNP are ruining Scotland, not least kids education. The SNP are not Scotland, they are a minority of the population. The patriots are those of us who don’t want to bankrupt our nation by leaving the EU or the UK.

[Beaker71]

1 minute ago, Mclean07 said:

No I support a centre left UK. I support the only party that has introduced meaningful social change in the last hundred years. I know you think each country should be a one party state but that’s not how it works. Unlike inside your own party, people in general are allowed to chose. Now, way and put on your Jimmy hat and wave your flag.

One party state, you mean when labour were in power and mismanaged and too Scotland for granted????

You've bo idea about the inner workings if the SNP, beyond what aunt been tells you.

You are also delusional about a centre left UK.  There is no such thing, never was and never will be.  England is way too right wing for this.

As for your last comment, its insulting in the extreme and shows us your true feeling for Scotlsnd.  Now away you and enjoy your british nationalist day waving your byron flag and tha king god  for a monarch to rule over you.

[Mclean07]

1 minute ago, Beaker71 said:

One party state, you mean when labour were in power and mismanaged and too Scotland for granted????

You've bo idea about the inner workings if the SNP, beyond what aunt been tells you.

You are also delusional about a centre left UK.  There is no such thing, never was and never will be.  England is way too right wing for this.

As for your last comment, its insulting in the extreme and shows us your true feeling for Scotlsnd.  Now away you and enjoy your british nationalist day waving your byron flag and tha king god  for a monarch to rule over you.

I’ve read your constitution. No internal dissent allowed. Also two thirds majority required for any change. Should be the same of Indy.

Answer this. Do the SNP intend to retain the Monarch? 

[Beaker71]

2 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

I’ve read your constitution. No internal dissent allowed. Also two thirds majority required for any change. Should be the same of Indy.

Answer this. Do the SNP intend to retain the Monarch? 

At the moment yes, person Amy I wouldn't but that is my opinion.

As for the constitution, where does it say no dissent allowed?

Just because labour is a s**tfest of antisemitic mysoginists on one side, public schoolboy play Tories on another, rabid feminists on another and bloody communists thrown in for good measure, who couldn't agree that uo was up and down was down, doesn't mean another group cannot agree the common goal is a higher priority then individual wishes. 

Your embitterment lets you down massively.  Perhaps you need to see a stone Mason to get rid of the mountain of chips on both shoulders about how well the SNP run themselves and Scotland.

[Jedi2]

So, looks like the vote isn't going to even happen, with the Letwin Ammendment likely to go through and trigger a 3 month (at least) extension, and a GE. Don't think Johnson's deal will ever reach the stage of a Commons vote now, as he would have to try and bring it back after a GE (whenever that is held)

[Squirrelhumper]

1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

Just seen SNP spokesperson saying “Downing Street doesn’t care about Scotland”. They make you cringe for our proud nation with their diet of grievance for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 

They don't, don't see how you can disagree with that.

You make me cringe with you're desperation to dislike Scotland and those elected to represent Scotland.

Hope you've plenty of cringe left for Labour later.