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25 minutes ago, Shropshire_killie said:

Stop lying to people, Grant Shapps ! Yes there are shortages of drivers in the EU too but it's not leading to empty shelves or petrol stations closing because drivers work freely all over the continent And to say Brexit is making things better is just mind-boggling

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Gaun Yersel Kay! 

Interesting anecdote from our Amazon delivery driver , he used to be an HGV driver yet said he’s earning more or less the same but the hours are better . Is this the accepted norm ? 

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1 hour ago, Bonbon19 said:

Interesting anecdote from our Amazon delivery driver , he used to be an HGV driver yet said he’s earning more or less the same but the hours are better . Is this the accepted norm ? 

Prob long cold nights parked up at a miserable services with s**t facilities isn't very appealing,  coupled with many hours sat on your arse with little exercise aint the most attractive of jobs for the long distance HGV lads n lasses. 

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It is becomming completely farcical the way the BBC avoid metioning how much Brexit is negatively impacting everybody's life.

The wholesale price of natural gas has gone through the roof. It has gone up globally but it has seriously collapsed the UK market because we are no longer part of the EU bargining group. 

Lorry drivers are in short supply all over Europe but the situation is only causing panic in the UK because of Brexit.

But the BBC simply wont go there because the are terrified to criticise the Tory clusterf**k in case they have their funding cut. The rest of the Meeja are controlled by the right wing bats**t nutters who think Brexit is worth whatever pain it causes.

Whatever is going south in the UK right now it is generally a result of leaving the EU but nobody will say the King has no clothes.

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39 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

It is becomming completely farcical the way the BBC avoid metioning how much Brexit is negatively impacting everybody's life.

The wholesale price of natural gas has gone through the roof. It has gone up globally but it has seriously collapsed the UK market because we are no longer part of the EU bargining group. 

Lorry drivers are in short supply all over Europe but the situation is only causing paning in the UK because of Brexit.

But the BBC simply wont go there because the are terrified to criticise the Tory clusterf**k in case they have their funding cur. The rest of the Meeja are controlled by the right wing bats**t nutters who think Brexit is worth whatever pain it causes.

Whatever is going south in the UK right now it is generally a result of leaving the EU but nobody will say the King has no clothes.

Tesco petrol forecourt shut, Morrisons shut too . big queques at Shell ripped off at Burnpark garage as only last week was the cheapest in town welcome to Brexit land.

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52 minutes ago, killie1961 said:

Tesco petrol forecourt shut, Morrisons shut too . big queques at Shell ripped off at Burnpark garage as only last week was the cheapest in town welcome to Brexit land.

Was being reported this am that 8t was only affecting the South east of England. You can't blame folk for topping up I guess given the shambles of who is running this country and the confidence we should place in them.

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1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

It is becomming completely farcical the way the BBC avoid metioning how much Brexit is negatively impacting everybody's life.

The wholesale price of natural gas has gone through the roof. It has gone up globally but it has seriously collapsed the UK market because we are no longer part of the EU bargining group. 

Lorry drivers are in short supply all over Europe but the situation is only causing panic in the UK because of Brexit.

But the BBC simply wont go there because the are terrified to criticise the Tory clusterf**k in case they have their funding cut. The rest of the Meeja are controlled by the right wing bats**t nutters who think Brexit is worth whatever pain it causes.

Whatever is going south in the UK right now it is generally a result of leaving the EU but nobody will say the King has no clothes.

The gas price has nothing to do with not being part of the EU bargaining group according to S&P global who look at these things . See below .

The fact that we’re rushing headlong into a “greener future “ without having a backup system of let’s say

Gas ( nope that’s controlled by Russia in the main so price increases will be the norm for all of Europe , and Norway have just found excess capacity to export gas and oil , but at the increased price , that’s capitalism for you ) 

Wind  power ( nope that’s controlled by the weather , last week only 50% of the turbines were working )

Oil ( nope that’s either running out , or it’s too difficult to extract , or we won’t grant the extraction rights see Cambo )

Coal ( nope that’s just too dirty, China won’t build anymore abroad but india will ) 

Fracking despite sitting on enough to power the whole of the UK for 51 years ( nope that’s too controversial and nimby applies ) 

Tidal energy is in its infancy and estimates that the largest machines can supply 2000 homes , but only for 15 years and the capital costs at the moment are substantial . 

All in all it’s not always Brexit to blame 

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28 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

The gas price has nothing to do with not being part of the EU bargaining group according to S&P global who look at these things . See below .

The fact that we’re rushing headlong into a “greener future “ without having a backup system of let’s say

Gas ( nope that’s controlled by Russia in the main so price increases will be the norm for all of Europe , and Norway have just found excess capacity to export gas and oil , but at the increased price , that’s capitalism for you ) 

Wind  power ( nope that’s controlled by the weather , last week only 50% of the turbines were working )

Oil ( nope that’s either running out , or it’s too difficult to extract , or we won’t grant the extraction rights see Cambo )

Coal ( nope that’s just too dirty, China won’t build anymore abroad but india will ) 

Fracking despite sitting on enough to power the whole of the UK for 51 years ( nope that’s too controversial and nimby applies ) 

Tidal energy is in its infancy and estimates that the largest machines can supply 2000 homes , but only for 15 years and the capital costs at the moment are substantial . 

All in all it’s not always Brexit to blame 

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I never said it was all Brexit. Some of it is down to trying to "save the planet" without a viable plan. The politics of pandering to the Home Countues middle classes who think they are well informed but in reality are nice but dim. The only way to reduce emissions is to throttle back the economy and the only way to do that while protecting Home Counties South is to hammer those on low incomes.

And I dont accept the proposition that absolutely none of the price hike is a consequence of not being part of the EU. That was the deal with the vaccines. We were paying over the odds to get delivery before the EU so BoJo could do a bit of grandstanding. Other EU countries had to wait because of the EU negotiating a cheaper deal.

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15 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

I never said it was all Brexit. Some of it is down to trying to "save the planet" without a viable plan. The politics of pandering to the Home Countues middle classes who think they are well informed but in reality are nice but dim. The only way to reduce emissions is to throttle back the economy and the only way to do that while protecting Home Counties South is to hammer those on low incomes.

And I dont accept the proposition that absolutely none of the price hike is a consequence of not being part of the EU. That was the deal with the vaccines. We were paying over the odds to get delivery before the EU so BoJo could do a bit of grandstanding. Other EU countries had to wait because of the EU negotiating a cheaper deal.

What part of gas price increases replicated across Europe is hard ? S&P global have said it was universal . 
Vaccine and gas prices aren’t comparable . 

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47 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

What part of gas price increases replicated across Europe is hard ? S&P global have said it was universal . 

It would appear my understanding of the issues here was not good. I believed that the EU negotiating as a block could get a better price but that does not appear to be the case. It would appear that the whole of Europe is affected by increased demand from Asia and the Russians playing silly buggars. However the EU can protect themselves from some of the s**t having better storage facilities, an internal market to trade gas around and many EU countries not nearly as dependent on gas as the UK. The UK has just decomissioned much of its storage and cut itself off from the EU system. We seem to be much more dependent on gas than any other part of the EU but that is just down to mismangement by the Tory government in general rather than Brexit specifically. 

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15 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

It would appear my understanding of the issues here was not good. I believed that the EU negotiating as a block could get a better price but that does not appear to be the case. It would appear that the whole of Europe is affected by increased demand from Asia and the Russians playing silly buggars. However the EU can protect themselves from some of the s**t having better storage facilities, an internal market to trade gas around and many EU countries not nearly as dependent on gas as the UK. The UK has just decomissioned much of its storage and cut itself off from the EU system. We seem to be much more dependent on gas than any other part of the EU but that is just down to mismangement by the Tory government in general rather than Brexit specifically. 

The storage capacity decrease as you say was mishandled , nothing new there . Our rush to make everything greener will back fire if the appropriate plans aren’t in place . 

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1 hour ago, Bonbon19 said:

 Our rush to make everything greener will back fire if the appropriate plans aren’t in place . 

I am  certainly no climate change denier but for me the causes of global temperature change are far from well understood. A link has been shown in modelling but the models are far from validated to the level which would justify the current panic. 

There is cause for concern but any mitigation put in place to reduce emissions needs to be viable and as you point out  the strategies adopted by the UK may result in the cure being worse than the problem.

We need good science rather that political rhetoric on global temperature fluctuations. We also need good leadership in setting out mitigations which are sustainable rather than public school boy  high jinks which is what we have.

That's what I think.

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Just now, Killiepies said:

We had to import electricity from France recently who fired up there coal power stations again to keep there supply going.You couldn’t make it up ,shut ours down but import it from elsewhere 

https://www.thegwpf.com/france-restarts-coal-power-plants-to-keep-the-lights-on/

Ours.....  Scotland is a net exporter to the rUK, and is by far the highest exporter into the rUK.

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Boris showing Brexit failed like we all knew it would.  He allowing temp visas for EU drivers. Kwarteng  disagrees saying pay drivers more. Schapps smilingly says Brexit shows this latest fiasco is a good thing to address. If you were an EU driver would you come over here with risk of getting stuck? What an absolute farce. We will all prosper mightily my arse. 

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1 hour ago, Shropshire_killie said:

Boris showing Brexit failed like we all knew it would.  He allowing temp visas for EU drivers. Kwarteng  disagrees saying pay drivers more. Schapps smilingly says Brexit shows this latest fiasco is a good thing to address. If you were an EU driver would you come over here with risk of getting stuck? What an absolute farce. We will all prosper mightily my arse. 

Best of luck trying to get EU drivers there is a shortage there to.Average age of a UK driver is 57 and there are over 200k valid HGV license holders in the UK.A lot just keep them to do the odd shift or as a fall back if the get paid off.Firms were at one time very picky on who they started as drivers and demanded experience.The better paying firms wouldn’t start anyone without at least 2 years experience and certainly wouldn’t touch anyone just past there test.Agency work would be all a new driver would get.Filling in for holidays and weekends that’s why a lot of them jacked it.There has always been a shortage of experienced driver long before Brexit.Would you let someone who has just past there test drive a £100k plus vehicle and cargo all over the country?  

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26 minutes ago, Killiepies said:

There has always been a shortage of experienced driver long before Brexit.Would you let someone who has just past there test drive a £100k plus vehicle and cargo all over the country?  

But the Brexit you appear to support Killiepies has made the situation worse, a whole lot worse.

"The driver shortage predates the coronavirus but it has been aggravated by govt policy. First Brexit has increased bureaucracy and custom regulations for lorries entering the UK. Second the govt wish to curtail net immigration has led to shortages across many sectors not just lorry drivers"

On your last point, of course I wouldn't but I fully expect the UK govt to go down that path to some degree in their desperation.

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44 minutes ago, Killiepies said:

Would you let someone who has just past there test drive a £100k plus vehicle and cargo all over the country?  

This is what gets me. It's not like there is a shortage of labourers on building sites. Driving an HGV is a skilled job. In the case of fuel tankers it requires sombody responsible and skillfully. If there was a shortage of GPs (which there is but that's another story) would folks respond by saying there's tens of thousands on benifits let's just shorten the training required and get these people off the dole?

This is a a long term demographic problem which Tonee addressed by importing labour from Poland and Romania. That is no longer an option for several reasons, let's see what Boris can come up with. My own solution would be a combination of reconfigured dustribution networks, which will cost money combined with reduced customer expectations. None of these is a particular vote winner so good luck with that and the increasing domestic fuel costs. Levelling up may mean it costs as much to live in Huddersfield as it does to live in London while you now get as much choice in Lobdon as you do in Huddersfield.

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7 hours ago, KenVaagen1984 said:

I am thinking about nipping over to Latvia to pass my HGV licence. A few years of £100k per annum to retire with a few bob would be worth the odd night sleeping in lay bys.

 You need more than just an HGV licence to drive here and you won’t get anywhere near £100k driving for an agency.Thats all the work you will get in the 1st 2 or 3 years  plus the fact you got your license in Eastern Europe means less pay.Do you think the companies offering £1.5 k to sign on would pay that if they could still tap into the cheap Eastern European market ? Best of luck anyway I am sure you will love a 15 hr day and sleeping in your workplace not to mention being a target for thieves ,illegals and traffic cops.Never to mention trying to reverse a rig and trailer up a street with cars parked on either side.

 

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I see Olaf Scholz saying the fuel shortage crisis here is down to Brexit. There are no fuel shortages or empty shelves in the EU apparently as they are all helping each other out. Yes there are driver shortages in the EU as Killiepies rightly pointed out but the fact they can all help each other, unlike us now we have chosen our solitary path, the problem for them is mitigated.

It's just a shame there is no powerful anti Brexit party/personality to get over to all of you Brexiteers  that we are not going to all prosper mightily, that lorry driving will not suddenly become a highly desirable job, and what a bad decision Brexit actually is.

UK is a state/media controlled s**tshow. 

 

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Brexit is a really stupid idea guaranteed to crash the UK economy with no upside. Unfortunarely several nationalist zealots and power hungry lowbrows have hitched their wagons to this ideology and managed to chase all the adults out of the room. Things have got so bad that even the gutless  leader of her majesty's opposition is terrified to call a spade a spade and criticise the lunacy.

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