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What a poor record we seem to have with these and some of those seen last night were abysmal .

....though SC was his typical self in the interview afterwards "we practised them in training , they were a lot worse", . Little surprised with one or 2 of the players selected or more was it who volunteered ....with likes of Power and Kiltie not involved  

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7 minutes ago, Isle of Wight Exile said:

Can you make a team good at penalties? Or does the players shooting ability mean you'll always be doomed to failure regardless how many times you practice? 

 

I think you can make a team better at penalties.  Such as not picking players who expect to score 5 goals between them in a season to take one.  

Beyond that, I would consider it basic technique to be able to hit a football no more than half a foot above the ground with pace.  If the keeper saves them, fair enough.  However, chipping a ball at keeper height nowhere near a corner is combination of stupid thinking with s**te technique.  Then you have Dicker's 'effort'.  He absolutely responded to Samson's dive and made an arse of it.  

Completely bizarre selection of penalty takers.  When Broadfoot put his hand up, SC should have told him to 'sit down son'.  

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3 minutes ago, virtuocity said:

I think you can make a team better at penalties. 

There was a few interesting wee bits on radio 5 over the WC with Klinsman and some of the England 1990 team, then of course Harry Kane.

They repeat them 50 times a day, same breathing, run up, kick etc, like you get in rugby goal kicking - sounds like a lot of training for a very specialist situation, unless you're at a WC or Euros.

In 1990 the Germans practiced them and had to tell the keeper where it was going before the hit it. If the hit it elsewhere in the goal and scored it still counted as a miss.

Apparently Klinsman was meant to take one in the 1990 final but told the Kaiser he didn't feel mentally right.  In the England camp, gazza was meant to take one but was in tears so Waddle who'd never taken one in his life but had played well stepped up..

Practice makes perfect, but it's a test of nerve beyond that,

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11 minutes ago, Mojike and Bod said:

Kilmarnock have won 2 of their 12 penalty shoot-outs (16.7%), which is the worst record of any team in Scotland (min 2 shoot-outs).

Who were the two wins against? In the past 30 years I can’t recall any! 

Brighton and Rangers in the TC cup 1979?

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13 minutes ago, Waverley said:

Brighton and Rangers in the TC cup 1979?

Early-mid 80s in the league cup rings a bell. Dundee maybe? I'm just about to fire up the big PC to start on the october videos. I'll double check the books while I'm there

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Shootout wins since 1979/1980:

4-3 v Cowdenbeath. League cup group 8 playoff 08/09/82

3-2 v Alloa league cup 22/08/84...

 

Losses since 1979/1980:

5-3 v Morton league cup q/f 24/11/1979

5-3 Dundee league cup 24/09/80

3-2 Dundee lc 29/08/84

4-3 Stranraer Scottish cup (1st time in the cup) 06/01/90

4-3 meadowbank cup 04/02/92

5-3? Them lc 01

Airdrie lc 02

5-3 albion rovers lc 2016

3-2 sheep cup last season

3-2 junkie xi last night

5-4 hibs lc 25/09/19 

5-4 junkie XI 26/04/2021

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15 minutes ago, casual observer said:

Technique and mental strength is what it comes down to, and a bit of luck never goes amiss either! 

That's the kicking side of it.  The best penalty shoot outs are also displays of exceptional goalkeeping.  For example, Denmark v Croatia at the World Cup, where both goalies psyched out and completely intimidated the penalty takers before they even placed the ball.  Kasper Schmeichel seemed to have his own routine to disrupt the penalty takers routine, he must have known face to face with them if they looked genuinely frightened, which a few taking penalties do!.  At which point I reckon the keeper goes for a reactionary save rather than picking a side, assuming the kickers gonna bottle it.  Not sure you'd put McDonald v Samson without even playing extra time in that bracket though! haha

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As a keeper they will normally be looking at three things. 

1. The walk up. As a player walks towards the goal they will normally give notice of which way the are going to be hitting the ball as an unconscious bodily gesture 

2. Shoulder position, if they are closed off they will be hitting to the side that their kicking foot is (left footed goes to keeper left)

3. Waist position, this is the final check as the player runs up as if the player is going to open or close their body position as it will point towards the way the ball is going to be hit.

Most strikers will not change the direction as they run up and if you have ever tried to open your body up while running up closed shoulder it is very difficult.

Penalty saving is mostly about goalkeepers looking at player psychology in the moment and matching it up to the homework they have done on their penalty taking past.

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59 minutes ago, Dabunias said:

As a keeper they will normally be looking at three things. 

1. The walk up. As a player walks towards the goal they will normally give notice of which way the are going to be hitting the ball as an unconscious bodily gesture 

2. Shoulder position, if they are closed off they will be hitting to the side that their kicking foot is (left footed goes to keeper left)

3. Waist position, this is the final check as the player runs up as if the player is going to open or close their body position as it will point towards the way the ball is going to be hit.

Most strikers will not change the direction as they run up and if you have ever tried to open your body up while running up closed shoulder it is very difficult.

Penalty saving is mostly about goalkeepers looking at player psychology in the moment and matching it up to the homework they have done on their penalty taking past.

Do u work for Gareth Southgate by any chance.. 

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His second name is Russell...

Jens Lehman pulled off the best penalty phsyc out...

The killer combination of preparation and spontaneityScreen Shot 2014-04-14 at 11.21.25 AM

At the 2006 World Cup, the semi-final between Argentina and Germany ended 1-1 and went to penalties. The Germans, with their steely resolve and ice cool composure, obviously have a reputation for winning penalty shoot-outs. But going into the penalties the Argentinians, with their South American flair and ultra-confidence, would have backed themselves. It was a fascinating, finely balanced situation. However, one player tipped the odds in his side’s favour with his remarkable approach to the shoot-out and performance in it.

Prior to the game, the German goalkeeping coach Andreas Koepke and goalkeeper Jens Lehmann, had analysed the Argentinian penalty takers’ previous ten penalties. They used these stats to create notes on the style of each Argentinian penalty taker, his timing, run-up and where he was likely to direct his kick.

Lehmann kept the scribbled ‘cheat sheet’ stuffed in his sock behind his shin pad and, just before the shoot out began, he pulled it out and conspicuously studied it. Then he pulled it out again between each penalty. This clearly unnerved the Argentinians to the point that their trademark cockiness evaporated. Lehmann dived the right way for every spot kick and when he saved Roberto Ayala’s penalty the Argentinians looked panicked. With the shoot-out score at 4-2, Esteban Cambiasso had to score to keep them in with a shout. If Lehmann saved it, Germany were through. As Cambiasso walked from the centre circle to the penalty area, Lehmann took out his note, studied it carefully, then tucked it back under his sock looking very confident. The Argentinian ran up, hit it low to the right and Lehmann saved it. It was game over. Jen Lehmann’s cheat sheet had given him the answers and he’d saved the crucial penalty, knocking out Argentina and sending Germany through to the semi-finals.

Except that wasn’t the full story. Yes, Lehmann had used the notes to guide him through the shoot-out. But the final penalty taker, Cambiasso, had been a late substitute and Lehmann later revealed that he and Koepke hadn’t known he’d be taking a penalty so didn’t have any notes on him. Before that last Argentinian penalty, Lehmann had been bluffing Cambiasso, studying the note purely to unnerve him. This kidology had worked; the pressure had got to the Argentinian sub, enabling Lehmann to save the decisive spot kick.

https://antmelder.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/the-killer-combination-of-preparation-and-spontaneity/

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I just like studying the art of goalkeeping is all.

Was the position I used to play at various age groups when I was younger and have always liked to keep my hand in now and again.

This was always one of my stronger areas as a keeper, mostly due to the pressure being all on the attacker who is expected to score so it lifts a lot of the psychological burden and allows you to relax and read the opposition's intentions.

I annoy my friends and family no end watching football with them as, if a penalty is given, I will always try and guess which way a keeper should move to try and save the resulting spot kick.

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On 7/18/2018 at 11:02 PM, Dabunias said:

I just like studying the art of goalkeeping is all.

Was the position I used to play at various age groups when I was younger and have always liked to keep my hand in now and again.

This was always one of my stronger areas as a keeper, mostly due to the pressure being all on the attacker who is expected to score so it lifts a lot of the psychological burden and allows you to relax and read the opposition's intentions.

I annoy my friends and family no end watching football with them as, if a penalty is given, I will always try and guess which way a keeper should move to try and save the resulting spot kick.

How does Zorro rate you?:18:

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