MrTumnus Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Does 3 wins and a draw with a penalty loss beat 2 wins and 2 draws with penalty wins ? Anyone know the hierarchy? Head to head, goal difference, wins, yellow cards? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undefined Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 From 2017/18. If clubs are level on points at the end of the group stage the criteria for separating them is 1) goal difference, 2) goals scored, 3) away goals scored, 4) matches won, 5) away matches won, 6) drawing of lots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie_cammyu84 Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 It's decided by goal difference firstly goals scored if needed then away goals scored and so on. So three wins should mean we progress as winners 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Table is all wrong at the moment. St Mirren should have four points 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebigguy68 Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Need to not only top the group but be one of the 4 best group winners to be seeded in next round....likely need to win all next 3 whilst building decent goal difference.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Thebigguy68 said: Need to not only top the group but be one of the 4 best group winners to be seeded in next round....likely need to win all next 3 whilst building decent goal difference.... Reckon we have goals in us if we take the game to opponents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Opens up the group and in some ways back In our own hands .... but only few days into the season , one game played and already been reverse swing in mood from some.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Dumbarton have played 2, scored 1 goal, yet have 5 points? This league cup format is rubbish. Dumbarton must be beaten, which under a straight knock out format we'd have to do anyway! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 I know it's only the group stages but this could be the best Betfred Cup ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Why have the shootout for a bonus point if things are still determined on goal difference. Take the bonus point away and say if teams finish level on points that will be used as a head to head. Spartans have gone out and got two cracking results but find themselves three points behind the group leaders who’ve only picked up a draw and a win compared to Spartans two draws. We could win our next three games go unbeaten in the group and still finish second despite St Mirren drawing their opening two games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 It encourages teams to try and score goals in 90 mins if nothing else. If we win next 3 and still finish behind St Mirren who win their last 2 it’s cos they scored more in those two games. Fair enough I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimuck Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 9:57 PM, MrTumnus said: Does 3 wins and a draw with a penalty loss beat 2 wins and 2 draws with penalty wins ? Anyone know the hierarchy? Head to head, goal difference, wins, yellow cards? Looks like we'll go top if we win last two games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barneyboy Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Jimuck said: Looks like we'll go top when we win last two games 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Do you think this format of deciding league games would be any good penalty shoot out and bonus point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_dug Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 No, the dross would be even more likely to play for draws. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted July 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Simplest way to discourage 90 minutes of time wasting/ negative football is to give no point for a 0:0 draw. If you don't score you don't deserve anything out of the game anyway. Or we could just ban Hamilton! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallus Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Top 2 go through? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gallus said: Top 2 go through? Nope - group winners, plus four best runners up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallus Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, skygod said: Nope - group winners, plus four best runners up. Cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted July 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) And the best 4 winners seeded along with the 4 clubs involved in Europe, touch and go if 10pts will be enough for this. After looking at the tables, all seven of the other groups have a team that can exceed our 10pts so it would need a lot of results going our way to join the top seeds. Edited July 23, 2018 by MrTumnus Added research 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, MrTumnus said: And the best 4 winners seeded along with the 4 clubs involved in Europe, touch and go if 10pts will be enough for this. 9pts was good enough last season, iirc, we qualified as 3rd best runners up....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted July 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, C4mmy31 said: 9pts was good enough last season, iirc, we qualified as 3rd best runners up....... I'm sure 10pts will get through to the next round, I doubt if 10pts will get a seeded position as one of the best four winners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) Think I’m right in saying there are nine teams left who could pass ten points and win their groups. Ten points and hopefully a few goals should see us through as group winners but seeded probably out of reach. Would rather be in our position than that of Hamilton and Hearts at the moment. Edited July 23, 2018 by piffer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1869 Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Full confidence in us to go out and win by 5 or more goals combined in the next 2 games. That should hopefully be enough to win the group 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted July 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) Yep! 9 teams could get more points (although only seven could top their groups) and 3 could equal our 10pts. Possible 12pts Ross County, ICT. Dunfermline, Ayr or Partick & Queen of the South Possible 11pts Alloa, St Johnstone, & Livingston Possible 10pts Motherwell, St Mirren & Brechin So 10points as group winners would probably be the same overall result as 10pts in 2nd place. Edited July 23, 2018 by MrTumnus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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