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7 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

Why do you keep quoting Jim Sillars  as if he has some kind of prophetic wisdom and power?  He is a f**king moon unit with sod all influence on anything other than his own mad idea's.

None, zip, nada, heehaw even.

There are lots of other eminently sensible options.  EFTA is one, Full membership of the EU another, NATO membership also not ruled out (But the US can ram their WMD up their s**ters).

To keep using Sillars as the excuse implying Scotland isn't a viable independent nation is lame as best.

Stop looking for excuses to vote no, and look at the reasons to vote yes.

don't bring our right back in to this!

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23 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

Why do you keep quoting Jim Sillars  as if he has some kind of prophetic wisdom and power?  He is a f**king moon unit with sod all influence on anything other than his own mad idea's.

Seems to speak for a fairly vocal minority in the Independence movement.

My concern is that even if we were to become independent and be doing absolutely fine economically it would not take rUK long to manufacture some reason why it was best for all concerned that we re-join them. Whether it was to provide military security from those pesky Ruskis or financial security from some crisis they would be only too happy to manufacture. They are already threatening the 27 members of the EU with financial ruin unless they get their way on setting the terms of Brexit. They are financially powerful and like to throw their weight about, they have got form for it. 

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Interesting article at the weekend on the Bank bail out after the Nat fanboys all monstered Labour on here recently. 

" Darling could not let the banks fail....the truth was he had no choice......millions of people in the UK would have no access to money........three days of food stock.......people and supermarkets without  banks would have meant panic and food riots.......so Darling bailed out the banks as any responsible chancellor would have done". 

Who is this establishment yoon backing up New Labour? Why, it's none other than Richard Murphy, the Nats favourite expert who, almost alone, doesn't accept the GERS figures.

So once again the Nat fanboys show their total ignorance of governing in the real world, just as two of them recently lambasted Labour's industrial policy, but then admitted they hadn't a clue what they would do. 

No idea. Brigadoon politics, and within weeks of independence, that truth would hit them like a thunderbolt.

 

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2 hours ago, gdevoy said:

Seems to speak for a fairly vocal minority in the Independence movement.

My concern is that even if we were to become independent and be doing absolutely fine economically it would not take rUK long to manufacture some reason why it was best for all concerned that we re-join them. Whether it was to provide military security from those pesky Ruskis or financial security from some crisis they would be only too happy to manufacture. They are already threatening the 27 members of the EU with financial ruin unless they get their way on setting the terms of Brexit. They are financially powerful and like to throw their weight about, they have got form for it. 

if you think that of the Uk, then why bother to vote to retain the union in the first place?!

Why stay in a relationship, cos your scared of what may happen if you do leave someone, whom you know is a bully and throws their weight about?

It's the Scottish cringe innit?  Too wee, too poor and too stupid to not be bullied by the English after expressing our democratic right.

i think in the next few months, we'll find the Irish don't have that lack of self belief or confidence in their own self determination, that's oh so prevalent in Scotland.

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46 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Seems to speak for a fairly vocal minority in the Independence movement.

My concern is that even if we were to become independent and be doing absolutely fine economically it would not take rUK long to manufacture some reason why it was best for all concerned that we re-join them. Whether it was to provide military security from those pesky Ruskis or financial security from some crisis they would be only too happy to manufacture. They are already threatening the 27 members of the EU with financial ruin unless they get their way on setting the terms of Brexit. They are financially powerful and like to throw their weight about, they have got form for it. 

It’s all wind and piss from the rump UK.  They have sod all to bargain with which is why hard brexit is coming like it or not, as the loonies are running the madhouse.

you also seem awful scared of our neighbours which is odd considering you seem to want to stay in a so called union with them.  

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48 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

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Interesting article at the weekend on the Bank bail out after the Nat fanboys all monstered Labour on here recently. 

" Darling could not let the banks fail....the truth was he had no choice......millions of people in the UK would have no access to money........three days of food stock.......people and supermarkets without  banks would have meant panic and food riots.......so Darling bailed out the banks as any responsible chancellor would have done". 

Who is this establishment yoon backing up New Labour? Why, it's none other than Richard Murphy, the Nats favourite expert who, almost alone, doesn't accept the GERS figures.

So once again the Nat fanboys show their total ignorance of governing in the real world, just as two of them recently lambasted Labour's industrial policy, but then admitted they hadn't a clue what they would do. 

No idea. Brigadoon politics, and within weeks of independence, that truth would hit them like a thunderbolt.

 

Away and play with the busses or the other five folk still in the labour cult with you.

let the adults have a conversation for a while.

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53 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

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Interesting article at the weekend on the Bank bail out after the Nat fanboys all monstered Labour on here recently. 

" Darling could not let the banks fail....the truth was he had no choice......millions of people in the UK would have no access to money........three days of food stock.......people and supermarkets without  banks would have meant panic and food riots.......so Darling bailed out the banks as any responsible chancellor would have done". 

Who is this establishment yoon backing up New Labour? Why, it's none other than Richard Murphy, the Nats favourite expert who, almost alone, doesn't accept the GERS figures.

So once again the Nat fanboys show their total ignorance of governing in the real world, just as two of them recently lambasted Labour's industrial policy, but then admitted they hadn't a clue what they would do. 

No idea. Brigadoon politics, and within weeks of independence, that truth would hit them like a thunderbolt.

 

I’m confused. Are you saying Richard Murphy knows what he’s talking about or he’s an idiot? 

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Labour 'governed in the real world' ohh so well, they got put out on their ear and haven't laid a glove on the worst Tory government in history, since.

Clueless.... hopeless.... and left a trail of wreckage in their wake that we'll still be paying for in 20+ years!

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15 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Who is this establishment yoon backing up New Labour? Why, it's none other than Richard Murphy, the Nats favourite expert who, almost alone, doesn't accept the GERS figures.

 

How many times will you prove yourself an idiot before you stop posting mince like this.

It is only yoonatics like you and the most ardent unionist politician who actually believes GERS is anything other than a very very poor estimate of an estimate, deliberately designed by Iain Laing to paint a picture of dependence of the devolved administrations.  And which does not represent in anyway reality of independence or even an accurate picture of the fiscal situation of Scotland.  When civil servants estimate spending based on an inaccurate model and attribute spending controlled by Westminster in reserved matters against Scotland and then point the finger saying look what you’ve spent!

honestly even you cannot be that deluded tha you cannot see this!

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10 hours ago, Scooter said:

Labour 'governed in the real world' ohh so well, they got put out on their ear and haven't laid a glove on the worst Tory government in history, since.

Clueless.... hopeless.... and left a trail of wreckage in their wake that we'll still be paying for in 20+ years!

Tell us about your plans for those shiny new jobs in Ayrshire again. I liked that story. Argue against Nat fanboy Richard Murphy on the banks :) 

Here's what would have been carnage.......

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McClown resorting to pulling s**te from the internet to support his Labour cult, and thank God for England bulls**t.

You should be ashamed, but you are too far gone to realise how ridiculous you make yourself with the tripe you post. 

When Scotland becomes independent I await news from South Ayrshire that am elderly land head has exploded in the that his beloved union is no more.

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2 hours ago, Bhamkillieken said:

its not really getting any/much press down here (unless I am missing it).

No not missing anything other than a shocking display of unionist propaganda.

The man is guilt deserves punishment however he should be afforded the same rights as anyone else until due process has been completed.   The due process designed and implemented by TWO civil servants with serious links to senior Tories isn't a proper process it doesn't allow the accused access to information to properly defend themselves. 

That's a kangaroo court and worthy of Stalinist Russia.

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55 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

No not missing anything other than a shocking display of unionist propaganda.

The man is guilt deserves punishment however he should be afforded the same rights as anyone else until due process has been completed.   The due process designed and implemented by TWO civil servants with serious links to senior Tories isn't a proper process it doesn't allow the accused access to information to properly defend themselves. 

That's a kangaroo court and worthy of Stalinist Russia.

And you think Wee Nicola and every other SNP MPS would just stand around like farts in a trance if they believed the process was politically motivated?

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26 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

And you think Wee Nicola and every other SNP MPS would just stand around like farts in a trance if they believed the process was politically motivated?

I never said the process was politically motivated, you assumed that.  I said those behind the process had strong links to senior Tories which is true, and that the process IMO isn’t fair either.

the fact that a very prominent now former member of the SNP and former first minister as well as being a huge figure in the independence movement was the first person to go through this process MAY or MAY NOT have been aided by political motives is a situation which may never be known.  However you said yourself the leaks were at best fishy and at worst deliberate (by whom again unclear but seeing as the process denies the accused any details then one would be safe(ish) to assume the leak was inside the civil service).

given the couple of high profile allegations surrounding the Labour Party, it does seem somewhat strange that the first case was this one.

however again if in the due process of law there is sufficient evidence to charge and then that evidence is corroborated then he should get hammered just as any other should.  If however there is no case and he is fully exonerated then the accusers and those investigating should likewise be on the end of some punishment.

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3 hours ago, Beaker71 said:

I never said the process was politically motivated, you assumed that.  I said those behind the process had strong links to senior Tories which is true, and that the process IMO isn’t fair either.

Mentioning the political affiliations of those involved is a clear implication of political motivation. Otherwise why mention it?

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9 hours ago, gdevoy said:

Mentioning the political affiliations of those involved is a clear implication of political motivation. Otherwise why mention it?

Nope its only implied in your head.  Read my explanation it’s the choice of accused and the leak which I believe is politically motivated not the process.

the process imo from what I’ve read is inherently wrong and unfair preventing any accused access to information to defend their position.

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45 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Mentioning the political affiliations of those involved is a clear implication of political motivation. Otherwise why mention it?

i've no knowledge of what he's talking about but given the abundance of false flag SNP CIVIL WAR headlines that are clearly politically motivated, never mind the initial leak or where it came from that led to the reporting on the subject. this is clearly a politically motivated case now its in action.  You could hardly say the consequences - if the case against salmond is upheld  - would be "unpolitical" in scotland at present. 

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12 hours ago, gdevoy said:

And you think Wee Nicola and every other SNP MPS would just stand around like farts in a trance if they believed the process was politically motivated?

They would open themselves up to all kinds of accusations of trying to cover up or condoning  inappropriate behaviour if they didn’t. 

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

No, but plod are VERY interested :) 

So what about the lassie who said she was raped by a senior labour activist. Your part have known about that since 2011 & are still dragging their feet. And why do you keep bringing up Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling & the crash on this thread. Yes they bailed out the banks & I agree it had to be done but it hardly makes them saviours of the nation. The crash happened on their watch & was partly perpetrated by past Labour governments deregulation of the banks. You even try to taint Alex Salmond & accuse him of cosying up to Fred the Shred. FYI everybody was cosying up to Fred. Blair, Brown & the Tories. The one thing I do agree with Brown on was that last year he said that the bankers specifically Barclays should be jailed & lose their pensions. Little Iceland did it but Westminster will never do that.

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